# How to screw up. :P **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 12, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508 "2013-11-12T16:15:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/1 "2013-11-12T16:15:16Z")
Made something singularly stupid. To begin with; I’m a member of a male-only academic community. Yesterday we (7 men, myself included) went to visit and meet the girls of another female-only academic community. Me, and another three of us, as well as most of the girls were new to their respective communities. I had applied thw following: > [@](#): > > Ammo X 2 - 1 spray > A314 - 1 drop > IH - 1 spray > A-1 - 1 spray - assume to be ~30mcg. > MX297 - 1 spray > IS x 2 - 2 sprays > > (I had sprayed a mix of Ammo, IS and P83 on me some 5 hours earlier for another encounter with another girl.) One of the most classy and feminine girls I had seen, opened the door. She is an older member (and the one in charge of the girls)- albeit only 23 years old. To my amazement she had also served in the military in a commanding position. I immediately saw some IOI’s from her part, and while I initially commented on what she said and we talked a little, I could not really get my mouth open as we sat down at the tea-table. Well, obviously no-one expected the new members to do that much talking anyway, but it felt strange. The girl made sure to sit opposite to me. Her dress was quite revealing. Not sure if it was on purpose, though. In the beginning I saw quite a lot of IOI’s. Later on she closed her eyes constantly, and in the end it almost seemed that she had become annoyed by me. Though I did get some IOI’s and giggling from a few other girls, of whom one was very pretty - though only 19-20 years old. I had namely an incredibly bad date with a 20 year old just a few days ago. Though that girl had no serious interest in anything serious in life, and it showed on the date. We were supposed to sign a guest book before leaving. I was however not aware how to do that correctly - there was a strict protocol for that, and I managed to do a slight mistake. A friend of mine, and a senior member of my group then helped me out - at the time I thought it to be quite annoying, but I did not show it. At one time she did, however hint to all of us that she was single - or if she was not, that her husband was not available. It is somewhat unambigious. It was time to leave, and I was the last to exit. She (the senior girl) then asked the male senior if a new member was allowed to exit last - immediately stating that she had no ill intentions. When I asked her to collaborate what she meant with that, she just ignored me. It felt quite uncomfortable, but I am not completely sure what happened. 1 - Did I overdose. 2 - Was I not congruent with my phero signature. An dominating status that A314 provides might not suit for somebody considered “new”. 3 - Was that a bad choice of combination. 4 - Was I just too indecisive for some reason - something like that has never happened to me. Anyway, if I am to use a different mix the next time or am congruent with this one, will it undo the messing up for the first evening? I have been in situations where the first contact has been positive and the second one less so, yet I have managed to salvage it. Can this one be salvaged? Any ideas are welcome. 🙂 It is not that much about that particular, but the theory in general. Obviously I do like the girl, but it is more important to avoid such screwing up in the future. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/2 "2013-11-12T16:35:59Z")
A1, IH **and** [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) all together in the same mix - I very much doubt you OD’d as that would moderate a massive dose of none! More like the A314/MX297 combination simply confused the hell out of her ---
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/3 "2013-11-12T21:55:44Z")
I was unaware that A314 and [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) don’t mix well. ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/4 "2013-11-12T22:11:08Z")
I formerly remember that mx297 is a mix that signals you are the life of the party. I haven’t looked at the mix in many years but that’s what I seem to recall. I also seem to remember that mx297 wasn’t a sexy mix, but more of a playful life of the party have a good time type of thing. From when I read reports (years ago) I also seem to remember something along the lines of mx297 never gets you laid. Very close, but not quite there. A314 seems to be a mostly alpha male thing, given it’s name. What I imagine is a very cool and calm collected alpha, which if it is the case it is a conflicting signal to begin with. mobocaster definitely knows what he’s talking about, and he can correct me if I’m wrong about this. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/5 "2013-11-12T22:44:27Z")
That’s more or less it - A314 and [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) together to me just seems to send a confusing and unproductive signal that falls flat on its face around people who would normally respond well to either. About the only exception is where a **small** dose of MX297 is used to steer a much larger dose of A314 but even that’s a particular mix at the best of times that is highly dependant on congruency. I have this feeling that MX297 and rone are poor companions in general - IMe Ammo just does not go quite as well with it as TUTH or even plain Androstenone, which seems to sexualise it best and in the least damaging way. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-screw-up-p/60508/6 "2013-11-13T17:17:52Z")
> [@rolandcubed](#): > > From when I read reports (years ago) I also seem to remember something along the lines of mx297 never gets you laid. Very close, but not quite there. That is most certainly not the case - I had one whale of a time and a lot of good sex thanks in no small part to [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). However, it is the case that too much 297 will not help you well as it is so social and engaging. 1-2 sprays brought me best results compared to higher doses. Another thing I think might have been part of the problem was that a lot of the guys having trouble with it were using it in all the wrong places - eg polite/sedate/work etc or were being wholly incongruent with its signal. MX297 thrives on social engagement and if you can’t get right-in there, laugh, dance and be the life and soul of the party, then yes you won’t get as much out of it. Also, many were combining it with a lot of other pheros that may have detracted from its essential nature. In the end, TUTH or Androstenone were the only other pheros I’d use with it and this got me all my best results - And I got very good at judging when to add the TUTH or none to get that highly sexual “WOW! - Let’s get out of here - NOW!” moment