# How to use mones if Ugly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 21, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977 "2010-08-21T09:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/21 "2010-08-21T20:25:59Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Yeah thanks everyone. Mustang, I know what you mean, but him and his girl didn’t really do anything to suggest they were a couple, on the bus, nor on the dance floor. Maybe they had a couple ‘vibe’ I don’t know. But of course, I understand the whole concept of social proofing, but I’m telling you, this guy was just in the corner, looking drunk as hell, depressed, dead. He came out to dance once or twice, but other than that, I feel I had an overall better and more attractive vibe. So I feel that my mones mixed with his looks brought the women to him. I did feel I was more congruent with the vibe I was trying to send, yet the women around us kept dancing closer and closer to him. Your friend was maybe using the “sad puppy” method and getting sympathy hits but you should have no problem stealing the show. Can you post more info: How many sprays, where sprayed, time of spray before contact, room temperature, and level of physical activity? ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/22 "2010-08-21T20:27:01Z")
Gentleman: I’ve read up so much on PUA skills in the past, but I know I forgot about 80% of it. I feel I know a comfortable amount right now. There’s always so much to be aware of, it can be a hassle. John Sebastien: This guy is definitely NOT my wingman. This guy has always been the OPPOSITE of a wingman. In the past at parties, he’d barely talk to anyone, but the moment he’d see me talk to someone, it gave him an opening to join in on the convo. Whenever a girl would pay me attention, he’d show up. If a girl was sitting on my lap while I was holding her, he’d sit beside us and put his arm around her also. This guy is no wingman. I do have another friend who knows about being a wingman but doesn’t have much experience with it. He was actually supposed to come out with us last night, but he ended up staying in. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/23 "2010-08-21T20:30:38Z")
John sebastien: more info? I sprayed 1 spray IO and IS before I left. one more spray of each on the bus on the way there, along with 1 of CTTM. when I got there I sprayed 1 TUTH 2x while on the dance floor and one more CTTM (which is why i feel he may be benefiting from my sprays). the room temperature wasn’t that bad, I was dancing for maybe 20 minutes at a time and only sweat under arm pits. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/24 "2010-08-21T20:30:43Z")
> [@masu](#): > > John Sebastien: This guy is definitely NOT my wingman. This guy has always been the OPPOSITE of a wingman. In the past at parties, he’d barely talk to anyone, but the moment he’d see me talk to someone, it gave him an opening to join in on the convo. Whenever a girl would pay me attention, he’d show up. If a girl was sitting on my lap while I was holding her, he’d sit beside us and put his arm around her also. This guy is no wingman. Maybe out-jerk him with IJ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ps86651](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ps86651/32/206_2.png) [@ps86651](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ps86651)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/25 "2010-08-21T20:41:46Z")
My friend - some of these guys make some excellent points…looks are 5%, personality 95% I work with some of the most beautiful, charming women around and let me tell you, without hesitation, that all these girls absolutely and utterly dig the guy who has character, charm and substance, over how he looks. I remember once what Tisha said: It’s what’s on the outside that makes us go oooh and aaaah, but its what is inside that makes us really squeal…or words to that effect. Enjoy life my friend…remember that there is one girl out there who is waiting for you and will absolutely worship you as king. The hardest part is finding her… ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/26 "2010-08-21T20:42:51Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Maybe out-jerk him with IJ 😉 That would be great…Or better yet, hang out with someone else LOL Find a wingman who understands the concept of winging. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/27 "2010-08-21T20:45:10Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Maybe out-jerk him with IJ 😉 Or give him a cologne gift of MB ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/28 "2010-08-21T20:58:30Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Or give him a cologne gift of MB hahaha… I’ve wondered about this as a tool to CB guys who move in on your sets. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/29 "2010-08-21T21:04:59Z")
There should be a whole line of products dedicated to sabotage ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/30 "2010-08-21T21:05:34Z")
Dang you guys play rough!! Haha The IJ is a serious suggestion though. Id be interested to see if it’d work. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/31 "2010-08-21T21:11:15Z")
Masu, In fact next time you place an order email me at [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) and I will make sure Jacob throws in a free bottle of IJ for you so you can see if it steals back the attention from him. Time to even the playing field 😉 😉 😉 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/32 "2010-08-21T21:14:43Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Masu, > > In fact next time you place an order email me at [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) and I will make sure Jacob throws in a free bottle of IJ for you so you can see if it steals back the attention from him. Time to even the playing field 😉 😉 😉 Very kind of you. I hope Masu makes that order quick, I wanna see what the results are 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/33 "2010-08-21T21:22:14Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Very kind of you. I hope Masu makes that order quick, I wanna see what the results are 🙂 Me too its best to do it while I’m still around the shipping office I can make sure Masu gets the hookup. This is going to rock! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/34 "2010-08-21T21:26:10Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Me too its best to do it while I’m still around the shipping office I can make sure Masu gets the hookup. This is going to rock! what happened to Steve? Are you taking over for him? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/35 "2010-08-21T21:28:31Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > what happened to Steve? Are you taking over for him? 😕 CK > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/androtics-restructuring-new-team-member-co-44130.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life Steve’s still here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/36 "2010-08-21T21:43:40Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > what happened to Steve? Are you taking over for him? 😕 Nope, AD has never actually had an operations manager. I’m just very hands-on and am taking care of daily tasks to familiarize myself with everything so I can manage the team with a full knowledge. I just got done helping with shipping for a week and now I’m working with you guys directly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/37 "2010-08-21T21:48:29Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Nope, AD has never actually had an operations manager. I’m just very hands-on and am taking care of daily tasks to familiarize myself with everything so I can manage the team with a full knowledge. > > I just got done helping with shipping for a week and now I’m working with you guys directly. 🙂 Good onya! Working each department to get a better understanding of day to day operations is really important. I just watched a biz fail between to very alpha women who were 50/50 partners. Why? Because one would never step out of her office to see how things operated. when the one partner finally opted for a buy out and left, she all of a sudden saw all the needs the other had been talking about in regards to simple things like shipping and dealing with vendors. I really like this company, I do enjoy reading jasmine’s and Mharris threads among others. This company is really a model of the excellence they are modeling. I feel privy to be able to watch a company grow, and hope to steal / model the winning concepts I see employed around her on a hourly basis. Thanks John, and welcome aboard! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/38 "2010-08-21T22:00:19Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I really like this company, I do enjoy reading jasmine’s and Mharris threads among others. This company is really a model of the excellence they are modeling. I feel privy to be able to watch a company grow, and hope to steal / model the winning concepts I see employed around her on a hourly basis. > > Thanks John, and welcome aboard! Thanks! What kind of business are you in? Maybe we can help. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/39 "2010-08-21T22:34:07Z")
whoa whoa.. how many androtics employees are actually tooling around the forums? lol.. ---
**Author:** ![zephyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@zephyr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zephyr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/40 "2010-08-21T22:42:29Z")
> [@masu](#): > > From what I can tell, most people on this forum are already pretty good looking and have what it takes to attract women. I’m willing to bet even without mones, most people here are good looking enough to get by. > > This is concerning me because I’m not that physically attractive face wise, and I find whenever I’m using my mones, it’s a waste. > > 1. A few nights ago, I went out with my friend and his girlfriend. Sprayed 1 spray of TUTH 2x on as we were going to a bar. The whole rest of the night she was horny as hell and all up on him, unbuttoning his pants and kissing him (which she doesn’t regularly do in public) > > 2. Tonight I go to a club with the same two, had on 2 sprays IS and IO, 1 CTTM, then added 2 sprays TUTH 2x. and AGAIN, the whole night, women were going up to HIM, and approaching HIM (he is much better looking than me). And I know if was the mones because this never happens to him. He was even surprised. He was the star of the show just because I was around with my mones. > > So no matter where I wear my mones it seems, women may be affected, but they’ll associate it with the more physically attractive guy, I find. And I don’t want to hear anyone say that being ugly is all a state of mind and just to be confident etc… it’s not about that, there is such a thing as good looking and bad looking. My friend isn’t confident at all, always down in the dumps, depressed guy, and I’m the more lively fun one. But obviously as u can see from tonight, they went for him anyway, associating my mones with him. > > It makes me so angry. The only way I can think of to effectively use mones is if I’m alone with a girl, in which case, I’d probably have the same chances as if I weren’t using any mones anyway. Hey don’t be so rough on yourself. I have weird results with TUTH that I am not happy with either, and I am up there on the physical likeability chart. For one thing, I can’t tell if women who jump into the elevator with me after yoga class at the gym are trying to check me out because I am one of the only fit guys in their class or if it is the pheromones. Also, I spray more and the old guys talk to me more in social settings and at the gym–go figure. I do think that some of the times the spray actually makes me slightly more agressive with others, so that confuses the results. Also, some people are just more sexy than others or give off more of that come-and-get-it style in their behavior, clothing, etc. Maybe your male friend exudes that. Also, take stock in how you look, dress, etc. compared to your male friends–if there is similar style then you can get the transfer effect from the gals. Also, go with a bigger group of guys, not just one that you feel inferior to in the looks department. Hope this helps. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977.md?page=3)