# How to use mones if Ugly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 21, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977 "2010-08-21T09:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/61 "2010-08-25T14:09:48Z")
Oh no you are right Masu Really good looking guys get attention regardless of how well they hold themselves. However, most really good looking guys ALSO have great confidence with picking up women… well most good looking guys who have been good looking their entire lives. Kind of a chick and the egg thing - They are good looking so they got success from women, which gave them confidence which meant in turn that they got better with women. The guys on Keys who had makeout sessions weren’t JUST pretty faces EVER… they were also guys who KNEW that they were hot shit and walked the walk (exuded confidence). Want a great example of a GREAT looking guy who has terrible romantic success because of his personality? Jake Pavelka (The Bachelor)… women SWOON over this guy, but by his own admission… before he was competing for the girl on the Bachelor he had never had a second date with a girl. I mean really… with looks like that I’d be swimming in pussy and this guy can’t even get a second date. It was obvious to me watching him that he puts women on a pedastal and chases them as though they are better than him… a position of weakness… a position of BETA. Admittedly… if Pavelka wasn’t hot shit he would have been a laughing stock instead of the next Bachelor (Ref: The weatherman from the next season of the Bachelorette)… regardless Pavelka is a perfect example of how poor game can blow good looks out of the water. (my LTR watches this shit… I end up occasionally watching it with her on the couch… its actually interesting when you look at how some of the guys on the Bachelorette seasons make effective use of Game theory) ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/62 "2010-08-25T16:15:56Z")
> [@masu](#): > > gentleman, I’ve noticed that too about white people getting treated better. I think White people have a sense of status, whereas other races are viewed by women as poorer or dirtier. > > I was just talking to my friend about how most ethnic girls (americanized ones, FOB ones always stick solely to their own race) prefer White boys and men. I even confronted an Indian girl I know and straight up told her she’ll never go out or sleep with anything but White, and she agreed with me completely. > > It’s gotten to the point where you can tell what a girl prefers just by looking at her. This is social conditioning. It would be far too complicated and beyound my scope to explain why white people get treated better in this aspect but what i can say is that events throughout life add up and when something occurs it adds another mental thread into that persons head which can alter there perception over time. Even Mossad is known to use this as a type of psy-ops warfare, Remember when everybody thought the arabs were in the wrong ? . Here’s a very brief example; White female \ 21 years of age \ Average Middleclass america Mental threads; Age 0 -5 See’s countless videos or images on television (perhaps the news) about **ethnic** based violence on the street wether this be gang related or otherwise. Already this child may assoicate non-whites with violence and unstability, not conciously ofcourse. Don’t forget when they see images on the news they usually just show the neighbourhood and perhaps the house with all the tape everywhere which is usually in some sort of ghetto or low income neighbourhood which would lay another mental thread about how non-whites live in poverty. This will continue to lay mental threads about people of ethnic decent long after they have surpassed the age of 5 Age 5-15 Gets bullied at school by a kid who is of ethnic decent and\or is first exposed to racism. This will defintly lay multiple mental threads espically with the levels of stress that is involved with some of these situations. Im sure during this time it was also the boom of hip hop and groups such as bone thugs etc. that depicted a dangerous gangster type lifestype as the preferrable way to live as they were getting drugs,money and sex also the child would be exposed to this at school ( Im sure you’ve seen the little kids who’ve listened to too much 50 cent ) . This itself will be another mental thread layed down. Also the child would make alot of friends during this time, the child may hear one of there friends parents speak in a “pro-sense” of there own race, Yip that would be another mental thread. Or what about when she flicks through girl mags in the latter stages and see’s all the beautiful white females (which is a majority in these mags just look for yourself) and the hunky white male models on the cologne \ perfume advertisments. Please remember this can all be placed in a vice versa situation where a women will refuse to sleep with a white man Fast foward to 21 years of age since im too lazy to think of more mental threads and you’ll now understand why they view the world in such a closed black and white fashion. Never fall victim to social conditioning as with every race there are arseholes, homeless, victims, rapists, pedofiles, beautiful and rich people. None of this is race based at all. A real example of social conditioning is this; a.Twin towers fall b.Blamed on terrorists who were arabs c.Arabs associated with being Muslim on news channels d.Muslims become the new target e.Iraq gets invaded f. Oh Noes there was no WMD, Perhaps it was pancake mix! says the UN g.More US soilders die to “Muslims” h.Terrorist videos get released in which there extreme views are planted down as being the face of islam, Even though in reality most islamic people disagree with whats going on. i.People protest against building a mosque near 9/11 yet the extreme views that the terrorists portrayed are not in line with majority of the islamic people. Same can be said for christians as i’ve meet some pretty die hard ones in my life time, does this mean that in iraq they should get rid of every church since afterall we did blow there country to kingdom come which is far worse then a pair of buildings. I’ve actually forgotten where im upto caus now my brain feels like scrambled eggs but im sure you get the picture 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![shigiddy\_jr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/shigiddy_jr/32/1454_2.png) [@shigiddy\_jr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/shigiddy_jr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/63 "2010-08-25T19:11:06Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Can’t ever ask for too much guidance. some things cant be taught, only learned ---
**Author:** ![lustdaddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lustdaddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lustdaddy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/64 "2010-08-25T20:20:35Z")
There was a room with 100 men 100 women and they were instructed to judge the other group on a scale between 1-10 The men ALTOGETHER picked 15 women as 10’s The WOMEN picked 30 guys. [Seduce Women NOW!](http://www.sellherbody.com) … You’ll like this guy, it’s me ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/65 "2010-08-25T20:24:09Z")
> [@lustdaddy](#): > > There was a room with 100 men > 100 women and they were instructed to judge the other group on a scale between > 1-10 > > The men ALTOGETHER picked 15 women as 10’s > > The WOMEN picked 30 guys. > > [Seduce Women NOW!](http://www.sellherbody.com) > > … You’ll like this guy, it’s me didn’t take you long to get back to spamming huh? ---
**Author:** ![smartypants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@smartypants](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smartypants)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/66 "2010-08-31T01:29:50Z")
LOL. Now I’ll have to think twice if some tool gives me cologne as a gift. 😃 > [@masu](#): > > There should be a whole line of products dedicated to sabotage ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/67 "2010-08-31T01:34:27Z")
> [@smartypants](#): > > LOL. Now I’ll have to think twice if some tool gives me cologne as a gift. 😃 You don’t even need to accept it. He could just spray it on you at the club and ruin your whole night. They can call it “OD Bomb”. Most likely if you order this and AMMO, it will be held at customs for weeks though…😃 ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/68 "2010-09-12T21:12:46Z")
Again, same thing happened (refer post 1) I was at the strip club with the same friend and his girlfriend. Now to be clear again, most of the time when the 3 of us go out, there isn’t much way to tell it’s HIS girl. We just seem like 3 good friends. So anyway, same frustrating deal… his girlfriend goes out for a cigarette, and then stripper after stripper pass by our table, smiling only at him. It’s ridiculous, I got one smile the whole night, and he got at least 30. At one point, we were just sitting there, and a stripper went and sat next to him just smiling at him for 10 seconds (he didnt even notice she was there, which was hilarious), then after another 10 seconds of awkwardness, she kind of looked at me for me to get his attention, so I did. Then they went in the back and did their thing, leaving me alone at the table. It’s really pissing me off how even strippers just instinctively choose him. I was dressed much better as well, with a nice chain and bracelet on, so you’d expect them to assume I’d have more money to spend on them. He was just wearing a black shirt a teenager would wear. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/69 "2010-09-13T16:47:14Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Again, same thing happened (refer post 1) > > I was at the strip club with the same friend and his girlfriend. Now to be clear again, most of the time when the 3 of us go out, there isn’t much way to tell it’s HIS girl. We just seem like 3 good friends. > > So anyway, same frustrating deal… his girlfriend goes out for a cigarette, and then stripper after stripper pass by our table, smiling only at him. It’s ridiculous, I got one smile the whole night, and he got at least 30. At one point, we were just sitting there, and a stripper went and sat next to him just smiling at him for 10 seconds (he didnt even notice she was there, which was hilarious), then after another 10 seconds of awkwardness, she kind of looked at me for me to get his attention, so I did. Then they went in the back and did their thing, leaving me alone at the table. > > It’s really pissing me off how even strippers just instinctively choose him. I was dressed much better as well, with a nice chain and bracelet on, so you’d expect them to assume I’d have more money to spend on them. He was just wearing a black shirt a teenager would wear. So the entire night after the first time somebody seemed to smile at him rather than you you were fuming about them choosing him over you while he was living in the moment and just enjoying himself. Nevermind that - It is evident that you spent the night looking around checking if you were being smiled at, while you admitted that he was pretty oblivious (once again, living in the moment and enjoying himself) Being in the moment, happy with what is going on, is enormously attractive because it is a solid indicator of confidence. Confident guys don’t scan the room to check if anyone is noticing them… You’re friend didn’t care (partly because he was with his girlfriend) and it showed… not caring = attractive. It was probably pretty obvious that you cared… caring about people noticing you is EXTREMELY unattractive. Watch you’re state of mind when you are out. The reason people always seem to say that they meet people when they aren’t looking is precisely because it is when they aren’t looking that they are at their most attractive… ---
**Author:** ![zephyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@zephyr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zephyr)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/70 "2010-09-25T19:07:22Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Again, same thing happened (refer post 1) > > I was at the strip club with the same friend and his girlfriend. Now to be clear again, most of the time when the 3 of us go out, there isn’t much way to tell it’s HIS girl. We just seem like 3 good friends. > > So anyway, same frustrating deal… his girlfriend goes out for a cigarette, and then stripper after stripper pass by our table, smiling only at him. It’s ridiculous, I got one smile the whole night, and he got at least 30. At one point, we were just sitting there, and a stripper went and sat next to him just smiling at him for 10 seconds (he didnt even notice she was there, which was hilarious), then after another 10 seconds of awkwardness, she kind of looked at me for me to get his attention, so I did. Then they went in the back and did their thing, leaving me alone at the table. > > It’s really pissing me off how even strippers just instinctively choose him. I was dressed much better as well, with a nice chain and bracelet on, so you’d expect them to assume I’d have more money to spend on them. He was just wearing a black shirt a teenager would wear. Okay, on second thought, I want your friend’s contact info, I think I will hang with him. ---
**Author:** ![successfulvibrations](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@successfulvibrations](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/successfulvibrations)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/71 "2014-03-11T17:04:59Z")
> [@masu](#): > > 1. A few nights ago, I went out with my friend and his girlfriend. Sprayed 1 spray of TUTH 2x on as we were going to a bar. The whole rest of the night she was horny as hell and all up on him, unbuttoning his pants and kissing him (which she doesn’t regularly do in public) > > 2. Tonight I go to a club with the same two, had on 2 sprays IS and IO, 1 CTTM, then added 2 sprays TUTH 2x. and AGAIN, the whole night, women were going up to HIM, and approaching HIM (he is much better looking than me). And I know if was the mones because this never happens to him. He was even surprised. He was the star of the show just because I was around with my mones. wait so .. his girlfriend was there WHILE all the girls kept coming up to him? ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/72 "2014-03-11T19:03:13Z")
> [@successfulvibrations](#): > > wait so .. his girlfriend was there WHILE all the girls kept coming up to him? The likelyhood of him replying is fairly _unlikely_ because his response was from 2010 - over 4 years ago! This is a very old thread. ---
**Author:** ![prscustom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@prscustom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prscustom)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/73 "2014-03-11T20:04:46Z")
dude i completely 100% understand you, dont listen to anyone who says looks isnt everything, they are probably even lying to themselves. which do you prefer, fat ugly chick with great personality or sweet,cute,hot babe you can get along with just fine. girls are the same, they dont want ugly guy. nobody wants. would you want an ugly guy if you were a cute girl? besides, ugly people always need compensate(with blatantly staying ugly), which is very fake imo. face the cold hard truth nomatter how bad it is, embrace it, and most importantly IF theres a possiblity to IMPROVE your looks in right direction, DO IT DO IT DO IT even if it costs your arm and leg. even if it requires superhuman strength, then obtain it. maybe you can become attractive and love yourself. then, when you truly love yourself, you develop healthy confidence and good looking girls can love you too. ive never seen you but lets say your face looks like troll and you cant change it. heres a tip: do a hard workout and get in shape, everybody can have attractive body if they workout. and EVERY woman prefer to be fucked by a man with trained body. give serious thought about dressing nice, but that i mean anything that can make you look QUALITY AND ATTRACTIVE, get something quality you can pull off and look attractive, dont follow any rule or fashion magazines. be different but not too different or wannabe. buy quality expensive brands if you can, thoese flatter your body in subtle way and dont scream brandname. money is also very attractive if you can stay on ground, its not the money itself thats attractive to women (unless golddiggers but nobody wants them, imagine a snake trying to manipulate you to marry her so she can steal a lifestyle or even a greater chunk by divorce. escorts just fine, honest and even cheaper) its the attitude thats attractive. maybe you can get a laidback,worryfree and fun attitude with dressing nice but without showing off, that can be attractive. looks is VERY important, its like 90%percent if you already have the brains of course. there are many brainless good looking people because they have it too easy, but doesnt necesarrily mean that most good looking ppl most probably dumb. if you are angry, its subconciously triggered by hate and jealousy, these can be very destructive. but its very powerful if you can contain it (thats my experience of course). so try to be simply BETTER while giving your best to look best, then you will destroy everybody else and WIN, and maybe even get some many hot chicks you may become gay. you can overcome this problem but im afraid you need to work VERY HARD for that, but nothing great comes easly right? i hope what i wrote meant something to you. good luck =) ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/74 "2014-03-13T02:33:11Z")
> [@masu](#): > > From what I can tell, most people on this forum are already pretty good looking and have what it takes to attract women. I’m willing to bet even without mones, most people here are good looking enough to get by. > > This is concerning me because I’m not that physically attractive face wise, and I find whenever I’m using my mones, it’s a waste. > > 1. A few nights ago, I went out with my friend and his girlfriend. Sprayed 1 spray of TUTH 2x on as we were going to a bar. The whole rest of the night she was horny as hell and all up on him, unbuttoning his pants and kissing him (which she doesn’t regularly do in public) > > 2. Tonight I go to a club with the same two, had on 2 sprays IS and IO, 1 CTTM, then added 2 sprays TUTH 2x. and AGAIN, the whole night, women were going up to HIM, and approaching HIM (he is much better looking than me). And I know if was the mones because this never happens to him. He was even surprised. He was the star of the show just because I was around with my mones. > > So no matter where I wear my mones it seems, women may be affected, but they’ll associate it with the more physically attractive guy, I find. And I don’t want to hear anyone say that being ugly is all a state of mind and just to be confident etc… it’s not about that, there is such a thing as good looking and bad looking. My friend isn’t confident at all, always down in the dumps, depressed guy, and I’m the more lively fun one. But obviously as u can see from tonight, they went for him anyway, associating my mones with him. > > It makes me so angry. The only way I can think of to effectively use mones is if I’m alone with a girl, in which case, I’d probably have the same chances as if I weren’t using any mones anyway. I agree with you. It’s like her senses picked up the mones and then her eyes picked up the attractive guy. But good looks and attractiveness are real, but only go so far.. I knew a guy who swore Penelope Cruz was drop dead gorgeous (or something like that) and though I wouldn’t consider her ‘ugly’ , she is by no means gorgeous in my opinion. I don’t really find her much attractive at all. Some men love black women.. I’ve been with black women and though I generally like them as people, I almost find them 0% sexually attractive, and it has nothing to do with racism or anything like that… I just don’t really find them sexually attractive. On the other hand, there have been plenty of girls I found extremely sexy and attractive that I would have loved to have as my own or even just for some fun, that I had guy friends who wouldn’t think the same. I had something similar to you happen the other day. While I was in class, I had on a new combo of mones that were working wonders for me and girls were kind of flocking to me. Then I noticed this one girl who sits across from me do something peculiar. She became very friendly to the guy she sits next to whereas she usually isn’t. I thought, ‘wow my mones gave this guy a kick’ I was totally eavesdropping (like I always do) and I could tell she was giving him a hit, and he didn’t seem to see it coming. It ls like their conversation got totally awkward after that. She pretty much invited him to some study thing and he went on to say how he was busy and gave a big whole explanation. It was as if neither of them saw it coming. So I think your observations, findings, and opinions were spot on.. As for what to do: Man, I’m lost there.. I think you could either not be with another guy when you go out or near one when your out, or you could tell your buddy you got this new cologne and chicks dig it. Then spray 100mcg of TUTH on him and stand back as the ladies repel off of him and then you could swoop in for the kill. I’m just kindling about the last one - don’t do that. Seriously though, I don’t know, you got me stumped on this one. You could try being more lively and the center of attention. Sometimes that overrides physical appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/75 "2014-03-13T02:34:54Z")
Haha 2010 ^ Rofl lol!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977/76 "2014-03-21T20:12:58Z")
Ugh, I can’t believe this was 4 years ago. So embarrassing! I’ve been doing a lot better actually, still struggling to find a decent everyday mix. 1 spray each of Summer AMMO, IO, IS, and IG has worked alright, but I’m trying to cut down the amount, and just using 2 sprays of AMMO everyday. Seems just as good for some reason. I’m older now, so I’m ok looking for my age. Most people my age are now getting married or in serious things, letting themselves go. And would you believe a couple of years later that my friend came home one day and found his girlfriend in bed with another guy? It had been going on for a long time apparently. She has a kid with the new guy. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-use-mones-if-ugly/40977.md?page=3)