# I’d prefer him to make the first move! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 2, 2007, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358 "2007-11-02T01:56:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/41 "2007-11-07T13:36:16Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > Totally disagree! > > I always focus on the BIG picture, am not narcissistic in any way and really try to avoid one night stands altogether. I have had them, but try to turn them into something more meaningful. I love women and love spending time with them. > > Why not share myself? Not all pua’s are narcissistic… techniques can help you, your motives are something else entirely… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/42 "2007-11-07T13:38:25Z")
> [@flaming](#): > > Thanks phoenix! > > Your right about that women are not angels no matter how cute they are. > Sometimes you gotta step back and assess a girl to see what kinda person she is. > If you respect who she is i think thats so important. I think this time I didn’t step back and assess.. so I’ve learnt to be careful next time and assess… ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/43 "2007-11-07T13:54:38Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > Totally disagree! > > I always focus on the BIG picture, am not narcissistic in any way and really try to avoid one night stands altogether. I have had them, but try to turn them into something more meaningful. I love women and love spending time with them. > > Why not share myself? …my comments were pretty general there are ALWAYS exceptions like Juggler for example whose “method” is very natural and inclusive. However, I do believe much of the pick-up community is very me-orientated but the girls they are targeting are no better.Like attracts like i guess. Iv been there and iv got no issues with one night stands iv had plenty of them even long before i ever heard of the the community. even pua’s admit that that their techniques are only useful for the initial attraction/seduction phase and when it comes to an actual relationship the laws are reversed.Therefore as i said those techniques are useless in your LTR. Their techniques may be useful for improving a guys confidence and understanding of the pattern of a seduction though.Practicing their techniques they can be successful with girls which is great. i can really feel you do love women SteveO I do too but i think its important to choose wisely and not assume that just because a girl is attractive her character is good .😉 ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 8:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/44 "2007-11-09T08:31:51Z")
looking back at my recent comments on this post its obvious im an opinionated SOB lol. Seriously though i sincerely apologize to any PUA’s or recovering AFC’s who were offended. . ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 9:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/45 "2007-11-09T09:20:36Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I tend to pursue women that are more straight-up art fart types, so we’re on the same wavelength. I like it comfortable from the beginning. The point is, there’s a lotta diversity out there and you gotta go with the flow. Don’t limit your thinking to stereotypes or you’ll lose big when the love of your life walks by and you crap on her. And if you think of your love-life as a battlefield or game I’d say you missed the point long ago. It ain’t something you can normally fight for, earn or force. It’s something that just happens between two people whether you want it or not. Thats the kinda girl i like too! I completely agree! Im an “art fart” type myself lol.My present LTR is a film student that works in a bookshop .Im pretty sure games would not go down well with her and I would have completely blown it with any self-conscious technique.Actually, im glad i didn’t use any because its the most amazing thing when it just “happens”😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/46 "2007-11-09T09:59:40Z")
> [@flaming](#): > > TIm an “art fart” type myself lol.My present LTR is a film student that works in a bookshop .Im pretty sure games would not go down well with her and I would have completely blown it with any self-conscious technique.Actually, im glad i didn’t use any because its the most amazing thing when it just “happens”😉 My last LTR would rarely communicate with me.. just about one message a day and I would do the same as that was what she wanted.. So it was game like from both sides and felt odd though.. 🆒 I’ve learnt not to pre-judge by stereotype though.. I may have ignored a few people thinking they would be a certain way but now my eyes are more opened..😃 ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/47 "2007-11-09T13:14:28Z")
> [@gitsmw](#): > > Women in general prefer sex to anything. But they say the contrary ! They say they don’t want a relationship based on sex, they want real conversation and most of all, that they want a man who can and will listen to their problems… Well, this is a French point of view which I believe is not French only… Nowadays, more and more men are afraid of getting a more or less higly negative answer, which I guess is one of the main reasons we buy pheros… Statistically speaking, girls say “no” way more often than guys. Especially in France !!! ☹ French Pride ☹ … and prejudice ? I think girls want men to make the first move because they consider it has always been their responsibility (old tradition !!!). And guys will have to do it the way girls want them to do it ! (isn’t that so easy? 😉 ) And guys think girls should make the first move because there is more chance for a guy to be rejected… unless some pheros are up there… ? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/48 "2007-11-09T14:47:20Z")
Wayne Elise looks like he is trying to bridge over into the mainstream with his “conversation camp”… how to talk to anybody, anywhere school, although how much can one learn in two half days of (expensive as hell, for $2500 you could hire a supremely good hooker who could teach you three or four things previously left to the imagination) classroom instruction… well, brace yourself for human reality… skills are not pills, you don’t buy a bottle and take three every night for ten days and wake up transformed into a rich prince with beautiful homes on every continent and a world class wine cellar also stocked with pre-castro cuban cigars and balsamic vinegar laid down by the Medici… chances are, even if you are well employed, have one of the rarer metal sorts of credit card (platinum, titanium, yttrium, dysprosium, or galdolinium card infused with the powdered bones of Leonardo Da Vinci)… you still must deal with the reality of living in an overpriced condominium with not enough closet space, hideous acoustics and a flat screen televsion to maintain contact with the outside world… so we are left with these bleached out, malnourished, emulations of advertising culture which are emulations of hipster culture which are emulations of beatnik culture… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Neutron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neutron/32/2147_2.png) [@Neutron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Neutron)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/49 "2007-11-09T19:17:19Z")
> [@gitsmw](#): > > Not fair? I don’t think fair is a word that applies here. > > But yes, two shy people combined definitely complicates things. Women want men who are confident and know what they want. Who don’t make excuses or apologies for pursuing their desires. Who know how to treat them right. If you guys don’t mind I would like to comment on one of the earlier post on this thread. What exactly does it mean to treat a girl right. I was brought up by my grandma who thought me to treat girls with respect and dignity. To not look at them as sex objects and see them as humans with feelings. To talk to them and listen to their problems and comfort them. Make them feel like a princes. I speak from experiance when I say that most girl that I have observed look for the opposite when searching for a relationship. I live by what my grandmother has thought me and that is why I have several strong friendships with several girls. But the relationships does not go beyond friendship. Now some of those girl express that they like me a lot but see me as a trust worthy friend and nothing more. Those same girls have relationships with guys who treat them like nothing more than sex objects. Leaves them in the cold when they are in need. Makes them cry often and lowers their self esteem to where it makes them feel inhuman to the rest of the people around them. I notice this on a lot of girls. They are always talking about braking up with them but never do! When they do manage to brake up with them, they are back with them in no time and the process continues. So when girls say that they are looking for a gentle man, are they lying? ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/50 "2007-11-10T04:09:46Z")
> [@Neutron](#): > > If you guys don’t mind I would like to comment on one of the earlier post on this thread. What exactly does it mean to treat a girl right. I was brought up by my grandma who thought me to treat girls with respect and dignity. To not look at them as sex objects and see them as humans with feelings. To talk to them and listen to their problems and comfort them. Make them feel like a princes. I speak from experiance when I say that most girl that I have observed look for the opposite when searching for a relationship. I live by what my grandmother has thought me and that is why I have several strong friendships with several girls. But the relationships does not go beyond friendship. Now some of those girl express that they like me a lot but see me as a trust worthy friend and nothing more. Those same girls have relationships with guys who treat them like nothing more than sex objects. Leaves them in the cold when they are in need. Makes them cry often and lowers their self esteem to where it makes them feel inhuman to the rest of the people around them. I notice this on a lot of girls. They are always talking about braking up with them but never do! When they do manage to brake up with them, they are back with them in no time and the process continues. So when girls say that they are looking for a gentle man, are they lying? I don’t mean to sound crude/rude, but younger people are getting dumber and dumber thx to the media. This doesn’t really answer your question, but thats my .017£ ---
**Author:** ![Neutron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neutron/32/2147_2.png) [@Neutron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Neutron)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/51 "2007-11-10T04:22:23Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > I don’t mean to sound crude/rude, but younger people are getting dumber and dumber thx to the media. > This doesn’t really answer your question, but thats my .017£ I completely and full heartedly agree. I don’t watch much T.V. other than the educational channels. Most of the media is filled with fluff and propaganda. Most people in my age group have not developed well rounded emotions. ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 7:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/52 "2007-11-10T07:07:48Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Wayne Elise looks like he is trying to bridge over into the mainstream with his “conversation camp”… how to talk to anybody, anywhere school, although how much can one learn in two half days of (expensive as hell, for $2500 you could hire a supremely good hooker who could teach you three or four things previously left to the imagination) classroom instruction… well, brace yourself for human reality… skills are not pills, you don’t buy a bottle and take three every night for ten days and wake up transformed into a rich prince with beautiful homes on every continent and a world class wine cellar also stocked with pre-castro cuban cigars and balsamic vinegar laid down by the Medici… chances are, even if you are well employed, have one of the rarer metal sorts of credit card (platinum, titanium, yttrium, dysprosium, or galdolinium card infused with the powdered bones of Leonardo Da Vinci)… you still must deal with the reality of living in an overpriced condominium with not enough closet space, hideous acoustics and a flat screen televsion to maintain contact with the outside world… so we are left with these bleached out, malnourished, emulations of advertising culture which are emulations of hipster culture which are emulations of beatnik culture… 🙂 Thats why i think the pick-up community is suss or should i say pick-up business. I dont know what happened to Juggler hes obviously charging like a wounded bull these days. Then again he is very right wing so its not too surprising. Its a pretty simple method though and anyone can probably download his e-book for free 😛 Lets hope it doesn’t happen here! ..and Tater writes a best selling book about his pheromone charged adventures lol. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/53 "2007-11-10T20:20:23Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > I don’t mean to sound crude/rude, but younger people are getting dumber and dumber thx to the media. > This doesn’t really answer your question, but thats my .017£ The media is/are not your friend(s)… the media is a business with an agenda… increasing advertising revenue… the media will do whatever it takes to increase advertising revenue.. if the have to dumb it down to negative IQ values in order to sell product, have no fear, they will. If the audience wants unreal fantasies, the audience shall have unreal fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/54 "2007-11-11T04:30:25Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > The media is/are not your friend(s)… the media is a business with an agenda… increasing advertising revenue… the media will do whatever it takes to increase advertising revenue.. if the have to dumb it down to negative IQ values in order to sell product, have no fear, they will. If the audience wants unreal fantasies, the audience shall have unreal fantasies. This is why I hate things like ipods, bose, dell, fox news, micky d’s, ect. It’s all the damn marketing that they do and all the bs they spew out that makes them so popular. I’m not saying that if you have these, then I hate you and that you should die. I’m saying that if you have these, then 1. You don’t know any better (not a bad thing), or 2. You want to look cool (understandable to an extent), or 3. You’re a self centered arrogant bastard that bought that mercedes cause you thought it would make your penis look bigger (now you need to die). Sorry for off-topicness. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/55 "2007-11-11T06:28:31Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > This is why I hate things like ipods, bose, dell, fox news, micky d’s, ect. It’s all the damn marketing that they do and all the bs they spew out that makes them so popular. > I’m not saying that if you have these, then I hate you and that you should die. I’m saying that if you have these, then 1. You don’t know any better (not a bad thing), or 2. You want to look cool (understandable to an extent), or 3. You’re a self centered arrogant bastard that bought that mercedes cause you thought it would make your penis look bigger (now you need to die). > > Sorry for off-topicness. I have one of the above but 1. false 2. false 3. false Good technology is good technology no matter what the marketing is… not all the above is good tech though.. I don’t have the bad tech, only the good one… ---
**Author:** ![Neutron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neutron/32/2147_2.png) [@Neutron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Neutron)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/56 "2007-11-11T07:23:24Z")
Mmm I agree with changazn to an extent. For example, I have noticed some expensive clothing at some fancy stores and seen the EXACT same item at a lesser known store but with out the little symbol! Its funny how one little symbol can raise the price so much and people will buy it. Heck my friend got smart and bought the clothing item with out the mark and took it to a friend at a mall and had him embroider the symbol on the item. It looked the exact same. The quality was the same but cost him $30 less… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/57 "2007-11-11T07:49:26Z")
> [@Neutron](#): > > Mmm I agree with changazn to an extent. For example, I have noticed some expensive clothing at some fancy stores and seen the EXACT same item at a lesser known store but with out the little symbol! Its funny how one little symbol can raise the price so much and people will buy it. Sure for clothing but technology isn’t like that. ---
**Author:** ![Neutron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/neutron/32/2147_2.png) [@Neutron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Neutron)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/58 "2007-11-11T08:03:59Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Sure for clothing but technology isn’t like that. You are right. With technology its another matter. With name brand you usually get better quality and customer service support. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358/59 "2007-11-15T01:11:16Z")
> [@Neutron](#): > > You are right. With technology its another matter. With name brand you usually get better quality and customer service support. I’m not saying don’t get non-name brand items, I’m saying that the grass may be greener on the other side. [Anything But iPod - MP3 Player Reviews & News](http://www.anythingbutipod.com/) Aand, I’m going to have to file you and Pheonix under #1. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-d-prefer-him-to-make-the-first-move/6358.md?page=2)