# I didn't like MX297 or 390 until... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311 "2010-10-04T06:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/1 "2010-10-04T06:36:32Z")
I started adding in other mones. I kept hearing about how they were sufficient as a standalone and I just did not experience this. Maybe for guys who produce a lot of none, but for me I’ve been testing using 297/390 + X and on various days I have used either ammo, IJ, and IG. I have seen great results on all 3, but when I use IG it really does bring this mix together into something special. I’ve been posting results in my journal, but wanted to just share somethings here. I really feel like one smooth cat mixing it with IG. I’ve had great experiences with IG, but with this mix, within an hour of application I don’t care what I’m wearing clothing wise, I’ve gone from Marlboro Man to “Shaken not stirred.” And the Daniel Craig version of Bond, not Moore. There is nothing I can do or say and not get laughs, touches, oohs and ahhs from women of all ages. Even men just kinda laugh whatever I say off knowing that it was all done in fun. In fact today during up selling a tumbler at Starbucks I made the joke that not only could they save 10 cents every time they used their tumbler but it also cured cancer. I said this numerous times and got all kinds of laughs. My dept manager steals the joke and the first time out the customer gets all pissy at her…LOL. This will not necessarily become a standard for me. But if I were in sales, this is a mix I would definitely consider, or if I were out hitting Martini bars or even doing one of those speed dating sessions, because no matter how little time you would spend with each lady, you’re going to make an impression on them. You will come across as charming, witty and sexy! It really is a fun mix, I suggest you try it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/2 "2010-10-04T09:29:05Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > In fact today during up selling a tumbler at Starbucks I made the joke that not only could they save 10 cents every time they used their tumbler but it also cured cancer. I said this numerous times and got all kinds of laughs. > > My dept manager steals the joke and the first time out the customer gets all pissy at her…LOL. That’s awesome, do you think it’s self-effects that are giving you better joke delivery than her or do you think the person was so intrigued with you they’d have laughed at anything? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/3 "2010-10-04T09:33:52Z")
Yes - I’ve found [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and IH or IO to be a superb happy social/close conversational mix. Sort of hanging on your every word responses. I went out yesterday wearing 297/IH (2 sprays of each, forearms) and two women asked to share my table. I started a general chat with them and within about ten minutes, one of them moved right round to sit beside me, leaning right up to me, looking in my eyes like there was nobody else there and often touching/holding my arm whilst sharing all sorts of confidences. Also, when I wear it around one of Smart Girl’s pals, she can barely keep her hands off me. She’s always putting her arms round me, or grabbing my hands and pulling herself right up to me for a chat - To the point where some folk have wondered who has what for whom! 😃 And when I wore it with TUTH around Sport Girl, WOW! 😮 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/4 "2010-10-04T13:07:46Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > That’s awesome, do you think it’s self-effects that are giving you better joke delivery than her or do you think the person was so intrigued with you they’d have laughed at anything? I think its a combo of both. The self-effects honestly just make me so chill, so relaxed that there’s no over thinking things, so it all just rolls off the tongue. But because I’ve seen the IOI’s, I also think it just makes people respond to you a bit better too. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/5 "2010-10-04T13:10:00Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - I’ve found MX297 and IH or IO to be a superb happy social/close conversational mix. Sort of hanging on your every word responses. > > I went out yesterday wearing 297/IH (2 sprays of each, forearms) and two women asked to share my table. I started a general chat with them and within about ten minutes, one of them moved right round to sit beside me, leaning right up to me, looking in my eyes like there was nobody else there and often touching/holding my arm whilst sharing all sorts of confidences. > > Also, when I wear it around one of Smart Girl’s pals, she can barely keep her hands off me. She’s always putting her arms round me, or grabbing my hands and pulling herself right up to me for a chat - To the point where some folk have wondered who has what for whom! 😃 > > And when I wore it with TUTH around Sport Girl, WOW! 😮 🙂 Yeah I plan on testing it out with IH definitely. In fact, as I check this, this morning. I’m going to add just a bit to my normal baseline sig for when I see my girl. I’m gonna go with 1d A314, 2s MX390, 1 IH4x, and 50mcgs of A1, might throw in some shine, gonna think about it. LOL ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/6 "2010-10-04T13:57:35Z")
I’m not convinced that A314 (or MX347) work quite the same in combination with 297/390? IME, the strongest 297 responses have been with it as the baseline and the sort of person who goes on 297 may be quite different to those for 314 eg, Smart Girl and her pal - Whilst the pal goes gaga for me wearing 297 and combos with 297 and other socials, she is far more reserved when I wear anything based on 314/347 but Smart Girl is all over me then (but still pretty affectionate with 297) esp when I’m wearing 314/NPA, or 314/301/[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)! 😃 I’ve barely touched A1 myself but after a lot of reading here, it may be the next thing I’ll introduce. ---
**Author:** ![Sharpy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharpy/32/347_2.png) [@Sharpy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sharpy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/7 "2010-10-06T11:16:48Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I started adding in other mones. > > I kept hearing about how they were sufficient as a standalone and I just did not experience this. Maybe for guys who produce a lot of none, but for me I’ve been testing using 297/390 + X and on various days I have used either ammo, IJ, and IG. I have seen great results on all 3, but when I use IG it really does bring this mix together into something special. > > I’ve been posting results in my journal, but wanted to just share somethings here. I really feel like one smooth cat mixing it with IG. I’ve had great experiences with IG, but with this mix, within an hour of application I don’t care what I’m wearing clothing wise, I’ve gone from Marlboro Man to “Shaken not stirred.” And the Daniel Craig version of Bond, not Moore. > > There is nothing I can do or say and not get laughs, touches, oohs and ahhs from women of all ages. Even men just kinda laugh whatever I say off knowing that it was all done in fun. > > In fact today during up selling a tumbler at Starbucks I made the joke that not only could they save 10 cents every time they used their tumbler but it also cured cancer. I said this numerous times and got all kinds of laughs. > > My dept manager steals the joke and the first time out the customer gets all pissy at her…LOL. > > This will not necessarily become a standard for me. But if I were in sales, this is a mix I would definitely consider, or if I were out hitting Martini bars or even doing one of those speed dating sessions, because no matter how little time you would spend with each lady, you’re going to make an impression on them. You will come across as charming, witty and sexy! > > It really is a fun mix, I suggest you try it. I’ve been using [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)/390 for about 2 months now, because of the [MX297 Mix Respitory](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-mix-respitory/39239) by thundercat. I love this product. (And MX297 smells awesome, also 😃) Anyway, thundercat claims > [@Mx297 mix respitory](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-mix-respitory/39239/1): > > \*\*MX297 + [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) \*“Gentleman? More like a tosser”\*\*_Perhaps im introverted,weird but who knows? I actually had some bad experiences with these two mixed together, People seemed to get annoyed easily by me and i found it harder to socialise with people. You know that guy you see walking down the road and you think " What a wanker" thats exactly what i was getting, Only tried it twice and never again lol 2;3_.\*_ **Use at your own risk // SIMILAR EFFECTS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM** _ I’ve been a little paranoid about trying this combination as a result of this report, and the acclaim he received for it. Although I have great results from the other combos I have tried, the riskiest one to try, is probably the one I now want to try the most! And since reading what you wrote, about the IG with MX297 combination; it goes against what the above report says, and it makes me wonder whether other factors that influenced this outcome for him. Is it possible that, he (thundercat) couldn’t pull-off this combination, because of his age?? (thundercat is [according to the report] 22years of age) And the benevolence that is your age of 44, he is ‘literally’ 1/2 your age, in life experience and in maturity. I’d like a bit of feedback as to how you might deduce your findings to this result, as I am certainly not entirely competent with mones, even after a year of testing. And I think you might be able to suggest something I might not be seeing and overlooking. :o Unfortunately, I just don’t have an abundance of time necessary to search for info online, unless I look somewhere specific. Can you point me in the right direction? (or anybody else reading this, for that matter!) Do you have a method, or do you just ‘wing it’ and hope for the best?? I’ve tried to find info on each product that I own, on this forum, but it seems that I have to go blindly testing, (which is fine…) or take other peoples word that a particular combo works and end up getting 2 different results from the same 2 products (AAAAARGH 😮) Now I am a bit of a ‘control nutter’, and I wont tolerate undesired results. (but only if I really have to…🙄) Because living in such a small city (400,000 people), where everybody knows everybody else, making a mistake travels very quickly, and I like to be flawless if possible or with very little obvious error, to avoid this happening. ☹ But there is people on this forum, who just know what is in each product, and they can make more informed decisions… where are they looking? 😕 Or, do you have a different approach, that I should consider? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/8 "2010-10-06T16:14:43Z")
Subbing **+** OMG! I missed the switch! MX390 is [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) with another scent!?!?! Sure glad I peeped into this thread! \ > [@mobocaster](#): > > And when I wore it with TUTH around Sport Girl, WOW! 😮 🙂 At what combo, Mob; and how old is Sport Girl? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/9 "2010-10-06T16:59:56Z")
> [@Sharpy](#): > > I’ve been using MX297/390 for about 2 months now, because of the [MX297 Mix Respitory](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-mix-respitory/39239) by thundercat. I love this product. (And MX297 smells awesome, also 😃) > Anyway, thundercat claims > > I’ve been a little paranoid about trying this combination as a result of this report, and the acclaim he received for it. > Although I have great results from the other combos I have tried, the riskiest one to try, is probably the one I now want to try the most! > And since reading what you wrote, about the IG with MX297 combination; it goes against what the above report says, and it makes me wonder whether other factors that influenced this outcome for him. > Is it possible that, he (thundercat) couldn’t pull-off this combination, because of his age?? (thundercat is [according to the report] 22years of age) > And the benevolence that is your age of 44, he is ‘literally’ 1/2 your age, in life experience and in maturity. > I’d like a bit of feedback as to how you might deduce your findings to this result, as I am certainly not entirely competent with mones, even after a year of testing. And I think you might be able to suggest something I might not be seeing and overlooking. :o > Unfortunately, I just don’t have an abundance of time necessary to search for info online, unless I look somewhere specific. > > Can you point me in the right direction? > (or anybody else reading this, for that matter!) > Do you have a method, or do you just ‘wing it’ and hope for the best?? > > I’ve tried to find info on each product that I own, on this forum, but it seems that I have to go blindly testing, (which is fine…) or take other peoples word that a particular combo works and end up getting 2 different results from the same 2 products (AAAAARGH 😮) > Now I am a bit of a ‘control nutter’, and I wont tolerate undesired results. (but only if I really have to…🙄) Because living in such a small city (400,000 people), where everybody knows everybody else, making a mistake travels very quickly, and I like to be flawless if possible or with very little obvious error, to avoid this happening. ☹ > > But there is people on this forum, who just know what is in each product, and they can make more informed decisions… where are they looking? 😕 > Or, do you have a different approach, that I should consider? Funny, but it was the Mix Repository thread that got me moving into 297/390 much quicker than I anticipated. I tried some of the other combos and quite honestly I forgot about his review of 297 and IG being so negative. I had experienced great results with IG during our last donation drive I figured I’d toss that in the mix with the 297/390 and see how it goes. I really try to stay away from most threads about products I have not yet tested. Now some, like the mix repository caught my attention and I looked through it and was hoping it would not skew my results. I try to be a blank slate and just go with what I see. As far as methods go, I’ve been using my Starbucks as a lab and the ladies in my store as test subjects for a variety of things from NLP and speed seduction, and PUA to mones. I even spent one month going through and doing hand writing analysis for them all. So I’ve grown accustomed to just trying stuff there and not sweating it at all. The only issue is that Ive become so comfortable and adept at doing this, I think my results are a bit skewed versus me going into a club or party and attempting some of the same things. Confidence goes a long way when acting congruent with anything, and I honestly feel I’m right in my wheelhouse at work. Not to toot my own horn, but as an older man who is seen by everyone there that I can pull some of the cutest girls, and my attitude is one that I walk to the beat of a different drummer, this is a just a job and they have no control over me as all they can do is affect my quality of life over a short time and not my life. I get the weirdest compliments from my regulars. One loves to come see me because I’m just so “mean,” but in a way that makes people laugh. Another tells me she just loves me because I speak my mind. I tell them I have terets and can’t control what comes out of my mouth. My co-workers complain that I can say what I want and get away with it and they get complaints all the way to corporate if they just get the slightest bit out of line with customers. What they do not understand is confidence and congruency. I’m 44, short and chunky and I have young typical “hot” guys who look to me for advice and when I show up in regular clothes say I look like a rock star. So to boil it down, I’m just super comfortable and there is absolutely no pressure THERE. It does carry out in other places, but I am just in a reallly good place in my own skin and its very noticeable. So with that in mind, being very social anyway I can pull off the socials with ease. My Achilles heel if you will are the more sexual mones. I’ve been called sexy by a lot of women, who then friend zoned me. Even my girl doesn’t respond too well with NPA or TUTH. I’m not saying she doesn’t buy it, but it just doesn’t fit with my signal at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-didnt-like-mx297-or-390-until/42311/10 "2010-10-06T17:41:58Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > At what combo, Mob; and how old is Sport Girl? > > Thanks! Hi M&M. 🙂 She’s 35/36. Cant remember the exact details OTOH but they are written-up on one or other of the previous 297 threads. This woman responded well to both 297 & TUTH but when used together, her response was amazing. She could take a lot of sprays of TUTH too - her horniness became increasingly more outrageous! I’m giving Sport Girl a rest FTM. She was not best pleased with me after the incident with her prospective new man and let me know it in no uncertain terms. However, in the last few weeks, she’s been texting me in intermittent bursts, phoning me at weekends, like 20-50 times in a row and is now sending me long letters wanting me back in her life. Like we both don’t know where that would end! Guess her new relationship is going as well as I predicted then! 😃 Main reason tho is that carrying on any more with her would be unfair on Smart Girl, who may actually be getting some pretty real feelings for me.