# I fucked up! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 8, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331 "2014-03-08T19:06:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newmanager84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2acd7d/32.png) [@newmanager84](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newmanager84)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/1 "2014-03-08T19:06:54Z")
Hello people. Today i wanted to try a mix jdub was talkin about yesterday, Instant Leader. To recap, its 1,25 Spray ammo,1 Spray TAC,1 spray IH and 3 of p95. Only,i was curious about adding some IS. So i did,or at least i thought. I fought all day with the girl i live with,she left the house only to return about after 3 hours. Shes been nervous the whole day, answering badly to anything i had to say. Then we argued pretty bad about food,since she has food problems (lots of stuff she cant eat) and still,while i cook everyday i found her eating junk food. Not that i was mad or yelled at her,she just coulnt take it whatever i had to say,which led to her leavin the house,only for returning after hours and leaving again after i tried to talk to her and bring her to reason. I skip details,but i then went to my room only to discover i never put IS on,but TUTH. Suddenly i got it,i fucked up bad, i was talkin to her this mornin while puttin mones on and missed the right bottle. Daaaaaamn! I went to the bathroom in a rush to wash away everything,so after she came back the second time i could see she now wanted to talk,like, a real talking!!! I dont know how came i didnt look at the bottle,but im sure is because of TUTH,cos after we solved our issues with no problems. She was now reasonable and not overreacting. Dang,i now have to go for the right mix,but watch out,this costed me all of my plans for today. My suggestion,dint make this addiction. Now is there someone who could explain me the chemichals of this non working mix? Thanks guys. Peace ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/2 "2014-03-09T01:40:35Z")
**You did not fuck-up!** - instead, you learned a valuable lesson and by the looks of it had your first None OD! 🙂 And I think this is almost certainly to be laid at the feet of too much Androstenone (in [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and TUTH) - Nervous, edgy, argumentative, distracted, uncomfortable and wanting to get right away from you are all classic signs of OD - and the P79 in TUTH can make it moreso as it can enhance the bad just as well as the good, depending on mood and moderation - which you didn’t have in this instance. The Nols in Ammo and IH will not be enough to moderate the None and the TAC might be working against you here by helping her negative feelings out instead of positive. I don’t know P95 well enough to comment on its role in the mix. And where mixes with experimental molecules are concerned, you do have to accept that results can differ much more widely between individuals - It may have worked well for Jdub but that is not going to mean its a cert for you. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/3 "2014-03-09T03:54:27Z")
Dude you messed up but yeah it was probably OD. Too much None can make things a little crazy.. If you aren’t planning to use it sexually then you’ll probably have problems. Also how old are you and her? I’m in my mid twenties and my targets were in their early twenties..that definitely plays a big role.. How does IS work for you? Because I think if I put IS on that mix I would have destroyed it. IS seems to deflect people from me. Also that mix is something I’d suggest using in groups of people. I’m not sure about around my own woman. The thing with me that I noticed is that socials are great around social people, but when it comes to my woman, socials are a no-no. My theory is that my woman and I have history and in that history there were problems, plus she already feels comfortable talking around me. So therefore.. If she has any problems or anything she wants to get off her shoulder, she’ll have no problem unloading on me.. So now I only use TAC and TUTH around her to keep things strictly sexual. The socials I use for strangers, friends, and colleagues.. But I am curious to find out others results from my IL mix. I’d suggest using it in public though. Remember you got to find your sweet spot. Haha to tell you the truth, me and my woman had quite a few arguments ourselves while I was trying to find my sweet spot..lol That’s just something you may have to deal with.. ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/4 "2014-03-09T07:31:35Z")
So what I’m seeing here is that OD is DIFFERENT than Ghosting? That sound about right? I thought if you OD it meant you just started to ghost. but this is more like she can still detect it, it’s not so much that she dismisses it (ghosting) but its enough to cause her to be anxious and agressive in a bad way… So you can OD severely and cause ghosting or you can OD just a little bit and get aggro which is worse than ghosting. Please correct me if im wrong here as I suspect this is important information maybe… ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/5 "2014-03-09T07:59:03Z")
Yeah I think ghosting is like your sig is off putting so people don’t notice you but the OD is when you just have a high amount of None that caused aggression in the individual. I’m pretty sure I’ve ghosted with socials before, but I don’t know if I can OD with socials. ---
**Author:** ![newmanager84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2acd7d/32.png) [@newmanager84](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newmanager84)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/6 "2014-03-09T08:34:55Z")
Thank u all for ur responses. We are both 30 and i wasnt planning to useit on her,i had my plans but they’ve been all unattended since i had to fix this and basically lost the whole day for it. I thought it was OD,was just waiting for someone to confirm. Ill keep looking for my sweet spot… Peace ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/7 "2014-03-09T10:22:11Z")
> [@Kodocha](#): > > So what I’m seeing here is that OD is DIFFERENT than Ghosting? That sound about right? No - Ghosting is just one of a range of possible OD responses. Probably the most common one, esp in public situations but around people/in situations where they cannot ghost you, other negative responses come to the fore. Its not entirely dose-related either. A dose that may get you a great wild and uninhibited time one day can in a different mood/situation become edgy/narky/uncomfortable or worse very easily. Which is why I tend to build any overt Androstenone in a mix as the interaction goes-on and the responses get more positive. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/8 "2014-04-03T11:08:57Z")
you didn’t say how much shine you thought you added. 2 sprays? because two sprays TUTH is 5 mcgs of eNone. plus Ammo 1.25 sprays (I assume you got a half-spray or were priming it?) … that’s lets say 8.125 - 8.5 mcgs eNone, plus whatever eNone you are already putting out naturally.. how long had it been since you showered? This is always the unknown factor. 10 mcg is the upper normal for men naturally, if they are a high producer ( = to 4 sprays TUTH). So you know this is over the line for her. What you want to do is test from a lower amount, and gradually work up, looking for IOI, and see at what level you are getting negative reactions, so you know what this girl’s tolerance range is. She may tollerage more at some times than others, depending on her cycle and BC pill usage. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/9 "2014-10-27T02:14:36Z")
Hey how’s it going newmanager84..? Have you tried this mix again? ---
**Author:** ![ceenote9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ceenote9/32/2362_2.png) [@ceenote9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ceenote9)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-fucked-up/61331/10 "2014-10-27T06:30:36Z")
Whenever I lived with a woman and an argument broke out, there was no doubt that we were going to fuck right after that. The best sex is after a fight. I don’t know what’s up between you two but I say try the mix again with less TUTH. 😃