# I hope the frustration will end **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [August 30, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074 "2011-08-30T01:41:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stealthy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@Stealthy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stealthy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/1 "2011-08-30T01:41:48Z")
This is the second time I am typing this message, but that is not why I am frustrated. I am a female engineering/mathematics student in the 20-25 age range, who has _never_ before had a boyfriend. During my entire life, I have had maybe 5, (I am being generous) “hits”. Everyone else I know has it easy, but my social life has been very rough on me. I am 5’2" and weight 103 lbs. I live in Southern California. Recently, I found that I am deficient in female hormones, although I do not know which ones. My physician has me taking continuous birth control pills, which are the ones that do not contain the placebos at the end. I do feel a great deal of relief that I have not felt in over 10 years. In a psychology course I took last year, I learned that women’s index and ring fingers are supposed to be the same height, whereas men’s index fingers are shorter than middle and ring fingers. I have the men’s finger height relationship. What a surprise. When I did the ratio calculation to make sure, I was dead on in the men’s category. Finger height relationship correlate to hormone production, and serve to back up my doctor’s diagnosis, so I have made some progress in finding out what the problem is. There was a study conducted on female engineering students at a university (I do not recall which one) that showed that the majority of female engineering students have the male finger height relationship, and I fall there too. I am not looking for [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to make men fall into my lap and have instant marriage and wonderful happy life. I just want to get a conversation started, and I am confident that I can take it from there. Last time I wore pheromones (I don’t know which ones), I got a really good conversation started, and scored a job! I had been trying to do that for months previously. Without pheromones, I am treated by men like a little sister, and shunned by women all around. I feel cursed. Garbage. What did I do to deserve this? Anyway, I am sure the frustration will soon end, and I might make a few friends with the pheromones. I would appreciate any recommendation for particular pheromones, as I am very eager to try some out. This is the first time I have really opened up about this frustration. Thanks for your understanding. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/2 "2011-08-30T01:42:05Z")
Hi! Cool to see you here! Hi Stealthy, sorry for the problems:o, first please edit your profil, so we can see that you are a female. 😉 Great intro Stealthy 🙂, we can help you, but I must also say that mones are no X-Men stuff, they are a booster, you must be also social open. But I think the right mones can help you. First for mood elevating try [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). A better mood is always a good starting point. For faster/better icebreaking try IO. It’s a effective small talk maker, for deeper conversations and also trust and bonding, great for a relationship, please try IH. It’s not a fast hitter like IO. it need s more time, but the effects are much deeper. To make you more feminine with a sweet and sexy aura try Instant Sexiness B. Also calls the cuddly and pleasure maker. Many men react on that. I think with this package you have a really good combo. The best is you can add also everything together. If you tell a little more about you, your hobbies for example and how you find this place, you can get also a nice gc. Head up, it’s time for new exciting adventure.🙂 I hope it helps you. Warmth wishes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oasis314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oasis314/32/219_2.png) [@Oasis314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oasis314)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/3 "2011-08-30T01:42:06Z")
Hey there! Stealthy. This is something which is a serious condition. This is self-rejection and denial. Mones can help you to a certain extent but **you cannot leverage upon that strength unless you accept yourself and like yourself for who you are.** The harsh fact is this, _ **To be accepted, you must first accept and love yourself. To be loved, you must first love yourself. To be respected, you must first respect yourself.** _ Everything starts from _ **the core, the person, the YOU.** _ I understand that you need support and are hoping that mones will be the the answer. And yes, mones will be able to help you BUT only IF _ **YOU** _ CHANGE. _ **Mones project BOTH the GOOD and BAD points of a person.** _ Start thinking about _ **your good points, strengths and learn to accept and love yourself as a person.** _ People can change, and when they do, they either do it for the worse or for the better. I am hoping that you would learn to do it for the better. In everybody, there lies within a strength that they have. When tapped, they know no limits. Stealthy, you as an individual have that strength. Before you approach mones as a possible getaway, first work on yourself. Mones are NOT a magic pill. _ **The Magic lies within YOU.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/4 "2011-08-30T01:42:08Z")
**Hello and be welcome here** well… mones are only a part of the story … you have to work on yourself . like Oasis said .. first you have to get this hormonal problems fixed next … is there not some stuff out for women on how to get more guy´s … post your intro too in the main female area .. the ladies there will help you gladly …and drop Tisha a PM .. she´s a Genie on self help i know you´re frustrated … you can overcome it by doing the right steps . o.k. as for the mones .. i think you should get some Instant Shine .. for more self confidence … then [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) … this will help you in get some conversations going and Instant Sexiness … for more attention from the guy´s … do read up on the sticky threads in the female section …and here in the intro board i know we´ll find a way heads up **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![Stealthy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@Stealthy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stealthy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/5 "2011-08-30T06:05:39Z")
Thank you for your support. I do understand that no pheremone is a magic pill. I am not looking to find that. I feel that if I do get a conversation started, I can carry it from there, but getting over the initial “hill” of creating a conversation is the most challenging part, and I would like help with that. I also understand that I have a lot to work on, and I am trying. What I was referring to as frustrating is the difference that I see in myself and my experiences when I was wearing the pheromone and when i do not. I feel that it is easier to talk, and I am easier to talk to. I do like that. Honestly, I do not know what exactly brought me to this forum. I was not searching for it, but I did find it last year, and have been reading the posts every since. After trying pheromones, and seeing the difference, I do feel that I can be helped. As stated above, I do have some self-help to do, too. Thank you again. ---
**Author:** ![Oasis314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oasis314/32/219_2.png) [@Oasis314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oasis314)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/6 "2011-08-30T06:10:22Z")
> [@Stealthy](#): > > Thank you for your support. I do understand that no pheremone is a magic pill. I am not looking to find that. I feel that if I do get a conversation started, I can carry it from there, but getting over the initial “hill” of creating a conversation is the most challenging part, and I would like help with that. I also understand that I have a lot to work on, and I am trying. What I was referring to as frustrating is the difference that I see in myself and my experiences when I was wearing the pheromone and when i do not. I feel that it is easier to talk, and I am easier to talk to. I do like that. > > Honestly, I do not know what exactly brought me to this forum. I was not searching for it, but I did find it last year, and have been reading the posts every since. After trying pheromones, and seeing the difference, I do feel that I can be helped. As stated above, I do have some self-help to do, too. > Thank you again. Stealthy, thinking that you can be helped is already a sign and indication that you are taking the first step of acceptance. That is a positive emotion 🙂 Try to bring that out more everyday and each day will be better and happier. It’s no problem, we deal everyday with problems, how we choose to react towards it is an issue that we must address accordingly. Keep up your positive emotions, believe in yourself and there is nothing you cannot achieve and overcome. Cheers and stay happy! ---
**Author:** ![archangel689](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4491bb/32.png) [@archangel689](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/archangel689)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/7 "2011-08-30T14:45:12Z")
There’s obviously more going on here than you can convey in one posting. I was depressed for a long time. I was in a similar situation to you and didn’t get dates at all, or failed to see who was interested. I go on dates a lot now. I also had a slight jaw problem which caused my jaw to dislocate when I would eat. Things like underbites, overbites, crossbites and gummysmiles are common but drastically improve your appearance when corrected. I had mine surgically corrected which solved the jaw problem and certainly helped my appearance. It took about a year of counseling with a licensed psychologist with 30 years experience in eclectic therapy to straighten myself out. It took a lot of effort. I’m not suggesting that the products offered here are of no good, but I think the problem is a little deeper to fix than just spraying some stuff on you. I dated a woman who was not in sciences, but science related, she brought her ipad and iphone and macbook pro to the date. She was also gorgeous. There is no reason why you can’t be the same. There is nothing wrong with being able to start conversations, but men are expected to approach women, that’s just how it’s been. Perhaps you may want to consider a more traditional route in addition to your pheromones. This doesn’t mean Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) won’t help, they will, but only that 10%, the other 90% is you. I can only speculate, based on the few women I met in my computer science classes in college (and why I wasn’t attracted to them). **The issues were mostly related to how they dressed and didn’t take care of their skin and hair. They dressed like boys** , no skirts to be found. There were few exceptions and they were female professors…so maybe this gets better as you get older…but I had a HOT math professor. This was on a campus where girls wear make up and heels to class and there are more females than males with a 3:1 ratio. Guys are visual. We like the way women smell, but trust me, what you look like and act like goes further and it needs to match what you smell like. There are reasons why women go shopping more then men. A pair of heels, jeggings or low rise jeans and a good bra (Something like the Showstopper) and nice top might be on the list for you. Spring for the mandatory little black dress also, if you don’t have one. For those dates where you cook dinner at home. Like a nice guy, you need to learn not to hide your sexual side. You have to embrace it and display it or no one will ever see you as a sexual being. You can’t be ashamed of it, it’s what you are. My sister has a similar problem. When we go shopping she finds the most conservative outfit in the store, then buys it two sizes too big. “No Christina, that dress is for a fat girl…” We basically have to put her in the changing room and hand her clothes. My brother and I went as far as going to Victorias Secret with her… It was a strange experience but it needed to be done. She has trouble with dates too, purely because of the way she presents herself in my opinion. She’s an “ugly betty.” If she dressed correctly, did her hair and got braces, she would be surrounded by men. If you can find a female friend or gay friend who knows alot about this thing, it may help. Have them take you shopping. Unfortunately you wont find these women in the sciences schools typically… try the pharmacy school (especially women who are intending on going into Pharmaceutical sales) or nursing school. If you go out and they suggest something with a good intent, and you feel uncomfortable wearing it, take it as an indicator that you probably need to buy it. If you are truly deficient, there might be a way to improve that. My friend is deficient in testosterone because he does lots of physical labor at night. There are herb mixes that he takes that will boost it. There is also a cream… There might be something you can do too, you just have to find the right doctor and that doctor might not be an obgyn. ---
**Author:** ![Stealthy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@Stealthy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stealthy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/8 "2011-08-31T04:07:19Z")
> [@archangel689](#): > > There’s obviously more going on here than you can convey in one posting. > > I was depressed for a long time. I was in a similar situation to you and didn’t get dates at all, or failed to see who was interested. I go on dates a lot now. > > I also had a slight jaw problem which caused my jaw to dislocate when I would eat. Things like underbites, overbites, crossbites and gummysmiles are common but drastically improve your appearance when corrected. I had mine surgically corrected which solved the jaw problem and certainly helped my appearance. > > It took about a year of counseling with a licensed psychologist with 30 years experience in eclectic therapy to straighten myself out. It took a lot of effort. > > I’m not suggesting that the products offered here are of no good, but I think the problem is a little deeper to fix than just spraying some stuff on you. > > I dated a woman who was not in sciences, but science related, she brought her ipad and iphone and macbook pro to the date. She was also gorgeous. There is no reason why you can’t be the same. > > There is nothing wrong with being able to start conversations, but men are expected to approach women, that’s just how it’s been. Perhaps you may want to consider a more traditional route in addition to your pheromones. This doesn’t mean Instant Shine and Instant Openness won’t help, they will, but only that 10%, the other 90% is you. > > I can only speculate, based on the few women I met in my computer science classes in college (and why I wasn’t attracted to them). **The issues were mostly related to how they dressed and didn’t take care of their skin and hair. They dressed like boys** , no skirts to be found. There were few exceptions and they were female professors…so maybe this gets better as you get older…but I had a HOT math professor. This was on a campus where girls wear make up and heels to class and there are more females than males with a 3:1 ratio. > > Guys are visual. We like the way women smell, but trust me, what you look like and act like goes further and it needs to match what you smell like. There are reasons why women go shopping more then men. A pair of heels, jeggings or low rise jeans and a good bra (Something like the Showstopper) and nice top might be on the list for you. Spring for the mandatory little black dress also, if you don’t have one. For those dates where you cook dinner at home. Like a nice guy, you need to learn not to hide your sexual side. You have to embrace it and display it or no one will ever see you as a sexual being. You can’t be ashamed of it, it’s what you are. > > My sister has a similar problem. When we go shopping she finds the most conservative outfit in the store, then buys it two sizes too big. > > “No Christina, that dress is for a fat girl…” > > We basically have to put her in the changing room and hand her clothes. My brother and I went as far as going to Victorias Secret with her… It was a strange experience but it needed to be done. She has trouble with dates too, purely because of the way she presents herself in my opinion. She’s an “ugly betty.” If she dressed correctly, did her hair and got braces, she would be surrounded by men. > > If you can find a female friend or gay friend who knows alot about this thing, it may help. Have them take you shopping. Unfortunately you wont find these women in the sciences schools typically… try the pharmacy school (especially women who are intending on going into Pharmaceutical sales) or nursing school. If you go out and they suggest something with a good intent, and you feel uncomfortable wearing it, take it as an indicator that you probably need to buy it. > > If you are truly deficient, there might be a way to improve that. My friend is deficient in testosterone because he does lots of physical labor at night. There are herb mixes that he takes that will boost it. There is also a cream… There might be something you can do too, you just have to find the right doctor and that doctor might not be an obgyn. Thanks for your post, and I know exactly where you are coming from. I see people like you described several times per week. But, I would say that I have a lot going for myself in the hygiene and style department! I have 25+ skirts (not to mention dresses) and 6 pairs of pants. I foolishly risked being late today because I just cannot go out to work without makeup. I love fashion, and I always make a huge effort to take care of myself. That’s why my social problem is so weird. It seems there is no explanation for it. I do have TMJ (the jaw issue) but it is too slight to be noticed without x-rays, and my specialist says that it is not so severe that surgery is required. I will however think about some of the other things that you wrote. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-hope-the-frustration-will-end/52074/9 "2011-08-31T21:25:24Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Stealth! I am sure there are some women who can identify with your problem as so many women come to us everyday for help with situations similar. I know that the women will definitely , as well as me continue offer their support and assistance. There was recently this lady who came here who was a scientist with major insecurities and pheromones seemed to help her a great deal. I would start with is/b to make you feel soft, sexy and comfortable in your skin. instant shine to make you feel calm, refreshed and give of that youthful vibe that will draw others to you openness, our ice breaker to ease you into conversations and when you can check out some threads on this experimental mix MX397. Keep us updated so we can assist you along the way. **Your gc was issued! 🙂**