# I just can't pick what to order; it's driving me nuts!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 28, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745 "2007-09-28T01:52:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ShadowX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/shadowx/32/2327_2.png) [@ShadowX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ShadowX)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/1 "2007-09-28T01:52:43Z")
I’ve been trying to make a list for a week and a half , yet I’m still confused. If it wasn’t for the money, then it’s a problem solved, I would buy the ones in my wish list but I keep telling myself that spending hundreds of dollars on something that will last me around 3 months is simply crazy. My wish list is: 1-AMMO ($50) 2-I-Shine 2x ($60) 3-I-Openness 2x ($50) 4-MX103 ($15) 5-[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) ($48) 6-P83 (25mcg/spray) ($22) - Total: $245 (plus 15% tax because of where I live so thats around $279) I can’t pay that much money on pheromones so I did some changes to make it cheaper. Until now, this is the list of my order: 1-AMMO ($50) 2-I-Shine 1x ($40) 3-I-Openness 2x ($50) 4-MX103 (15$) 5-IFM - togo ($12) 6-P83 (12.5mcg/spray) ($15) - Total: $182 (Plus tax = $207.48) $70 of savings…not bad because I’m planning on buying a cologne tomorrow (jean paul gaultier le male) so I could spend the $70 on it. Yet, I’m kind of disappointed about something. Maybe $207 is also too much to spend on pheros, so I’m thinking of dropping one of the selection and make it a list of 5 instead of 6; yet I can’t pick up my mind on which to drop. I have taken the best ones in my opinion; thus its hard to pick up the best among the best. What should I do?? 😕 What would you drop if you were me? I have one in my mind but I don’t want to say it so I won’t influence your choice. Therefore, what I’m asking from you is if could please tell me which one(s) would you drop and which one(s) you would certainly NOT drop Of course if you have any comments to say, please do 🙂 PS: The reason why I want to pick 2X of I-Openness instead of 1x is not because of the “the more the better” theory but because it’s a money saver in the long term use because instead of spraying 4 sprays, I will simply spray 2 so that makes the bottle lasts double longer; not bad for a $10 more ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/2 "2007-09-28T02:42:20Z")
Well, I would go for the to-go of Openness and maybe add Honesty in a to-go as well, since those two seem to have a lot of different opinions on their effects. That way, you can see which one works best before investing in a more expensive bottle. Good luck, and be sure to let us all know what happens!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/3 "2007-09-28T02:48:22Z")
Well, P83 is an [experimental pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/experimental-pheromones/), so if I was short on money, I’d drop that first and get it later when I can. Also, have you thought about replacing IO with CTTM2? For me, I tend to prefer CTTM2 (although I’ve never tried IO and IH, but CTTM2 works for me). So that could save you $10 more as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/4 "2007-09-28T02:57:12Z")
Well, Dude, you shouldn’t make easy ‘things’ difficult.🙂 Being a normal human, we want everything in this world at the same time!😛 You can’t swallow the whole loaf of bread…have to chew it little by little.🙂 I always recommend these 3 great products…Instant Shine, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) & Ammunition. Buy these first and ‘play’ around with it…the rest you can buy them later when you have already know how to use it properly.🙂 Good luck to you!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/5 "2007-09-28T04:26:15Z")
Tater would prioritize like this. 1. MX103 togo - $15 2. Ammo - $50 3. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) - $48 4. Instant Shine 5. Le Male 6. Instant Openness 7. Ask Jasmin for the MX156-159 test pack to be re-released Long term, Tater recommends getting the greatest concentration you can afford if youre willing to titrate/dilute. If youre close to the $200 mark, go for it and youll get free overnight. You want to spend your phero budget on PHEROS not on SHIPPING. ---
**Author:** ![SureArrow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/surearrow/32/2112_2.png) [@SureArrow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SureArrow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/6 "2007-09-28T05:57:08Z")
ShadowX, I’m sure you know this already, but for the readers/viewers/new members who don’t know, (I’m learning myself), I’d have this advice for them that I have read in this fine forum here. Before you decide, have you thought about who your “targets” are? My focus is on Asian women, so I’ve bought most of my [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) with a low to zero -none in them (as reported here, many -nols are good for Asian targets, not -nones). It’s not a “rule” for everyone, but it’s a good starting place for your testing. But, if you’re like most guys, maybe you are after targets with only two qualities, their female and the have a body temperature that above room temperature. In any case, you might wish to read (or review) Tater’s fantastic journal here on the forum (it should be required reading with tests afterward). Coming soon to a theater new you. - Rated R. Tell us your targets. What your goals are. …also consider yourself as well. What is your age, race, and places of choice for targeting? Are you French? If you are French, take an empty spray bottle, fill it with tap water, write “Le pheromones” on it, then spray 1/2 shot on yourself (anywhere). That should be more than enough pheromones for you. \>\>------------\> ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/7 "2007-09-28T06:09:55Z")
> [@SureArrow](#): > > Rated R. Phew!!! I was afraid it would be rated NC-17! Reps for the French joke. Tater LOVES French jokes! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/shadowx/32/2327_2.png) [@ShadowX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ShadowX)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/8 "2007-09-28T06:19:41Z")
Thanks for the replies guys. Sorry, I forgot to mention that I already have [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) + Instant honesty + ammo; the three in togo format. However, I haven’t used Honesty yet, never been in a situation where I “needed” it. I-O seems to be working fine with 5 togo sprays, people never tends to shut up so I will start using 3 sprays instead. Well, 1.5 with the full bottle as I’m going with the 2x. I’m going to another party tomorrow and I might sleep over so ill see if people will still be chatting at the end of the party; when they are dead tired. The only reason why I want to pick up I-openness instead of CTTM2 is because it lasts longer so I won’t need to re-spray every few hours, which leads to emptying the bottle faster. Mohammad, lol your right, I guess I will take a small selection this time and maybe I’m gonna have a job during my next order so I could order a bigger stash. As for your recommendation, I think I’ll take it. Maybe I should drop I-O and replace it with a full bottle of IFM? or maybe not drop I-O and pick a togo bottle of IFM to test it and if I like/love it, then I’ll buy a full bottle with the points so I would get it for free and just pay for shipping…you got confused? so am I. By the way, here’s a late ramadan mubarak 🙂 lol tater, I knew you were going to emphasize on mx103 😛 I’ll definitely take it. As for the free overnight, I don’t think I have that option, I live in Canada, the only free shipping we get, as far as i know, is the basic one on orders over $100. I will PM Jasmin to make sure. The product I talked about dropping on my first post was P83 and now that all of you excluded it, then bom, Its dropped. ok thanks to you guys , I think I will take the following (Not in order of priority) : 1-Ammo - 50$ 2-Instant Shine - $40 3-Instant Openness 2x - $50 4-MX103 - 15$ 5-IFM togo - $12 I know it’s the same as my last list without P83 but I was thinking of dropping IFM, as well but I have changed my mind. As for buying a full bottle of IFM, then I will have to totally drop I-O. In other words, drop I-O and get IFM instead. so I thought that I would at least get a togo bottle of IFM; that way I will have both; plus I will get the chance to test IFM to see whether I will like/love it or not. If I do then I’ll buy it on its own with the free points to get it on a discount/free that I will get from the order that I’m about to make. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/shadowx/32/2327_2.png) [@ShadowX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ShadowX)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/9 "2007-09-28T06:30:22Z")
I’m having trouble editing, so I will make another reply. SureArrow, you have posted your reply 24 minutes ago. that means it took me more than that to write my last post!! 😮 Times passes by way too quickly, or maybe I’m just too slow. I’m 20, middle eastern, living in Montreal, Canada. However, that doesn’t mean that all of the people who are around me are from Montreal, it’s the contrary actually. My friends are each from a different place. Also, I go to an english university, while Montreal’s first language is french so the ones who go to my university aren’t from Montreal, they are mostly immigrants like me 😛 As for female target, I dont pay much attention on race. My favorites used to be blondies and asians but not anymore. Ironically, they are the lowest of my type now. Don’t get me wrong though, I still find them attractive but I don’t seek them anymore like I used to do. Thus, any girl from any nationality or any hair color is fine by me. My main reasons of using pheromones is for both attracting women and being social with both sexes. However, if I had to choose between one, then I will take attracting the opposite sex because Im having trouble doing so these months. ---
**Author:** ![SureArrow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/surearrow/32/2112_2.png) [@SureArrow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SureArrow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/10 "2007-09-28T06:32:03Z")
Tater, this might have nothing to do with pheromones, but thinking about it, maybe it does…hmmm… True story. I was at a gun show in Texas many years ago. All these guys and gals selling all sorts of stuff there. One man had a huge collection of WWII rifles on display. All the rifles were real firearms from the 2nd world war. All were in there sections by country. In the French section was a sign that read, “FRENCH RIFLES: LIKE NEW!!! NEVER FIRED, ONLY DROPPED ONCE.” \>\>------------\> ---
**Author:** ![SureArrow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/surearrow/32/2112_2.png) [@SureArrow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SureArrow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/11 "2007-09-28T06:50:52Z")
ShadowX; French Montreal eh? …uh, better not tell that rifle joke there. ..and stay away from _‘Patten’_ quotes! _“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.”_ — General George S. Patton ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/12 "2007-09-28T07:05:08Z")
> [@ShadowX](#): > > By the way, here’s a late ramadan mubarak 🙂 Thanks! Same to you too.🙂 May the Almighty bless and protect you always.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 7:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/13 "2007-09-28T07:19:30Z")
> [@SureArrow](#): > > ShadowX; French Montreal eh? …uh, better not tell that rifle joke there. ..and stay away from _‘Patten’_ quotes! > > _“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.”_ > — General George S. Patton Yeah! He better not to tell the joke there!🙂 But, perhaps General Patton forgot that there was a teenage French girl from a remote village who defeated the world’s greatest army (the English army)! Her name was Joan of Arc.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SureArrow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/surearrow/32/2112_2.png) [@SureArrow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SureArrow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/14 "2007-09-28T13:48:42Z")
> [@Mohammad\_Shah](#): > > Yeah! He better not to tell the joke there!🙂 > > But, perhaps General Patton forgot that there was a teenage French girl from a remote village who defeated the world’s greatest army (the English army)! Her name was Joan of Arc.🙂 It took a woman to do a man’s job? …ah, French women! ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-just-cant-pick-what-to-order-its-driving-me-nuts/5745/15 "2007-09-29T01:52:09Z")
> [@SureArrow](#): > > It took a woman to do a man’s job? …ah, French women! “There are plenty of other women to do it” - One of Joan’s replies to the Ecclesiastical Judges of Rouen in 1430 AD, when she was asked why she refused to do woman’s work.