# I\`m switching to Androtics! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 26, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886 "2013-08-26T17:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/1 "2013-08-26T17:37:22Z")
Hi! I’m going with Androtics as my next buy! Last buy was PheromoneXS Ascend,Evolve,Cohesion+Bliss and Odyssey samples. This was my first [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) buy,and only Bliss,which is a social,has done something for me,I think. The rest is garbage. I am not really satisfied with mones so far. So I decided to try one more time:this time with the veteran of the phero industry. I have decided to get the TO-GO versions of as many products that I can,so I can test as much as I can. I will be getting: AMMO TO-GO TUTH TO-GO IO TO-GO Alpha A314 1.32B P83 perhaps IH TO-GO My questions are: 1. approx how may sprays do you get with these TO-GO bottles? and how many sprays of a TO-GO version are equivalent to 1 spray of the regular bottle? 2. which AMMO should I get? Should I take the standard version+the summer edition or world edition OR just the standard edition? 3)Do I need IH along with my IO to make a proper social or will the IO suffice? 4)Do I need IG at all? 5)Do any of these products make you very depressed? I got some bad depression from the Androstadienone in Ascend. 6)WHEN WILL TUTH BE BACK IN STOCK? 7)Do Androtics really honour the money back guarantee,in case these mones don’t do anything for me like the XS stuff didn’t do? I’m 29,handsome face,muscles but not with an athletic body. Not very talkative or social,but the Bliss has made people approach me for a talk for no reason,I think. My goal is to attract women of all ages,and just explore the phero world a little. btw I have some luck with attracting the older ladies(over 36),and Bliss has made them more talkative to me,I think. It did not have any effect on the younger girls. For quite a few years now,YOUNGER GIRLS DON’T REACT TO ME AT ALL. This is really starting to piss me off,so I would like a mone to get some attraction from them as well. FEEL FREE to answer any of these questions. Answering all of them is not necessary. If you have some answer whatsoever,please comment. Thanks guys! ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/2 "2013-08-26T18:53:23Z")
Togo - @ 40 Sprays AMMO - All 3 have a different scent package. The Standard scent package, for mones, has a better diffusion cloud. I would suggest you take a look at the Killer Newbie Kit, which has most if not all of the ones you’ve mentioned at a better price than getting them stand alone. This is only good for the first time buyer. Because I would have gotten that Kit when I started. So, Bliss did work for you? What were your expectations with tose mones? What’s attractive to a 20 year old is NOT the same for a 35 year old… Mones by THEMSELVES will not work… YOU are the Primary Focal point of your social interactions and mones will Highlight YOU. For what Purpose are you using them? Check out the stickies on the Men’s and Women’s forums, so good stuff or on my sig below. ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/3 "2013-08-26T19:20:35Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Togo - @ 40 Sprays > > AMMO - All 3 have a different scent package. The Standard scent package, for mones, has a better diffusion cloud. > > I would suggest you take a look at the Killer Newbie Kit, which has most if not all of the ones you’ve mentioned at a better price than getting them stand alone. This is only good for the first time buyer. Because I would have gotten that Kit when I started. I’m looking at the KIT: It has all the right stuff,so thanks very much for recommending it,I did not know about it! The only thing missing is P83,which I wanted to try,and there is the [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/),which I don’t need. They are the same price in retail:28.97. Do you think Androtics would replace MX297 with P83 for my KIT? Are they known to cater to such requests? I’d really like that,then my stack would be complete. ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/4 "2013-08-26T19:26:48Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > So, Bliss did work for you? What were your expectations with tose mones? What’s attractive to a 20 year old is NOT the same for a 35 year old… > > Mones by THEMSELVES will not work… YOU are the Primary Focal point of your social interactions and mones will Highlight YOU. > > For what Purpose are you using them? > > Check out the stickies on the Men’s and Women’s forums, so good stuff or on my sig below. Thanks a lot man. Bliss did work somewhat at opening people up to me. This is really good for me. Bliss was a sample,and I’ve spent it. Dunno if I should order another bottle of Bliss or will IO+IH be good for this purpose. Anyway,what do I expect from mones:to get some attraction and disinhibition towards me for the girls. Like your sig says. I can off course take it from there,but mones should help out all the way. I’m not expecting them to do all the work. Ascend+Evolve did nothing to get me noticed. ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/5 "2013-08-26T19:35:58Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Togo - @ 40 Sprays So is 1 spray TO-GO equal to 1 spray regular bottle? The reason I ask is that,with Bliss,the sample bottle was tiny,and the sprays were also tiny. I had to spray 3 times to get the amount of my Evolve big bottle spray. ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/6 "2013-08-26T19:38:00Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Togo - @ 40 Sprays > > AMMO - All 3 have a different scent package. The Standard scent package, for mones, has a better diffusion cloud. So all the version are the same chemical composition then. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/7 "2013-08-27T02:02:38Z")
> [@killler](#): > > My questions are: > > 1. approx how may sprays do you get with these TO-GO bottles? > and how many sprays of a TO-GO version are equivalent to 1 spray of the regular bottle? > > 2. which AMMO should I get? > Should I take the standard version+the summer edition or world edition OR just the standard edition? > > 3)Do I need IH along with my IO to make a proper social or will the IO suffice? > > 4)Do I need IG at all? > > 5)Do any of these products make you very depressed? > I got some bad depression from the Androstadienone in Ascend. > > 6)WHEN WILL TUTH BE BACK IN STOCK? > > 7)Do Androtics really honour the money back guarantee,in case these mones don’t do anything for me like the XS stuff didn’t do? 1 - Approx 40 sprays. TOGO spray volume is approx 80% of that from a fullsize. 2 - Standard and [World Edition](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/world-edition/) are the same mix, just in different scents. Summer has TAA (main component of Instant Shine) and P130 in the mix, which makes it more chilled/laid back and comforting. Personally, I prefer the WE scent as Standard is very forward and slightly irritates me. WE is a lighter, more euro-style floral scent. Summer Ammo has the best scent of the lot but at 29, you may need to boost its none proportion a bit with something else. TUTH or P75 are the most common augmentations. 3 - IO/IH together is a useful social but no you don’t need them both and using the two together can overmoderate none in a mix. However, IH is a very useful phero and at 29, you may want to consider IH/IS instead of IO - I find this gives a better mature conversation vibe compared to IO which can unleash a torrent of drivel. IH/IS can also be used alongside A314 effectively, IO just wipes it out. IO is still useful in places where conversation is difficult - gigs, clubs etc and to moderate none in mixes. 4 - At 29, you are into the age range where A314 will probably suit you well enough. Unless you are around much younger women, who can find A314 a bit old. 5 - Nope, no A1 in any AD products now. IH/P74 is a viable alternative in some ways, without the risk of downers. Two caveats - Overuse of Instant Shine or Nols (IO and IH) particularly high dose and repeated topups **can** leave you feeling a bit tired, drained and down. There are ways to offset this. When getting used to A314, some guys do report feeling a bit serious and wondering why they are not their usual self - This is in large part due to adjusting to the self effects/status of the Androsterone mix. Its quite normal and should pass in a short while as they get used to it themselves. 6 - No idea. Keep watching the store. 7 - Yes, the warranty is excellent. All they ask is that you do try and contact them for advice before you throw the stuff back at them. The warranty only applies to the consumer line, not to putatives and experimones, which are sold without claim. So you will be on your own with the P83. I’d also suggest you get the killer kit - and a bottle of P83 at @10mcg, which will let you try a range of doses. MX297 is possibly the nearest in ADs range to Bliss and it is a superb social in its own right - Also goes very well with some TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/8 "2013-08-27T04:46:47Z")
I think the advice from Mobo above is pretty solid. I personally am liking 25 mcg betanol very well with 314. 3 sprays or so IH would give that. IH has some alpha nol in it. It doesn’t undercut the status or respect. However, I’ve found both nols together combined often useful. There is a solid body of research that alpha nol is an [attraction pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/sensual-pheromones/). This has been the crux of SOE / JV Kohl for some years. Androtics has employed it in products for its benefit. So, the usefulness of alpha goes slightly beyond communication. Many women get an uplifting, bubbly effect. But it can also be playfully silly in excess. Which would undercut 314. If you hover over nol , the text explains it. The research remains undetermined as to whether alpha is merely a blanking effect or genuine DIHL. ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/9 "2013-08-27T15:29:24Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > 1 - Approx 40 sprays. TOGO spray volume is approx 80% of that from a fullsize. > > 2 - Standard and World Edition are the same mix, just in different scents. Summer has TAA (main component of Instant Shine) and P130 in the mix, which makes it more chilled/laid back and comforting. Personally, I prefer the WE scent as Standard is very forward and slightly irritates me. WE is a lighter, more euro-style floral scent. Summer Ammo has the best scent of the lot but at 29, you may need to boost its none proportion a bit with something else. TUTH or P75 are the most common augmentations. > > 3 - IO/IH together is a useful social but no you don’t need them both and using the two together can overmoderate none in a mix. However, IH is a very useful phero and at 29, you may want to consider IH/IS instead of IO - I find this gives a better mature conversation vibe compared to IO which can unleash a torrent of drivel. IH/IS can also be used alongside A314 effectively, IO just wipes it out. IO is still useful in places where conversation is difficult - gigs, clubs etc and to moderate none in mixes. > > 4 - At 29, you are into the age range where A314 will probably suit you well enough. Unless you are around much younger women, who can find A314 a bit old. > > 5 - Nope, no A1 in any AD products now. IH/P74 is a viable alternative in some ways, without the risk of downers. > > Two caveats - Overuse of Instant Shine or Nols (IO and IH) particularly high dose and repeated topups **can** leave you feeling a bit tired, drained and down. There are ways to offset this. > > When getting used to A314, some guys do report feeling a bit serious and wondering why they are not their usual self - This is in large part due to adjusting to the self effects/status of the Androsterone mix. Its quite normal and should pass in a short while as they get used to it themselves. > > 6 - No idea. Keep watching the store. > > 7 - Yes, the warranty is excellent. All they ask is that you do try and contact them for advice before you throw the stuff back at them. > > The warranty only applies to the consumer line, not to putatives and experimones, which are sold without claim. So you will be on your own with the P83. > > I’d also suggest you get the killer kit - and a bottle of P83 at @10mcg, which will let you try a range of doses. MX297 is possibly the nearest in ADs range to Bliss and it is a superb social in its own right - Also goes very well with some TUTH. Very good! Thank you very much MOBO! I can always count on you to give me exact and good answers to my questions… So,regarding AMMO,does only the standard version included in the kit? Are any of these products suitable for younger girls? I’d really like to get into that area. For years now,they don’t respond to me at all. btw Does Androtics give any samples with orders if you request? ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/10 "2013-08-27T16:50:23Z")
Send a message along with your order for the kit that you prefer the Summer Edition, and they’re usually good at helping you out. They also will often include a freebie or two with each order, expecting you to test and report on it. It helps if they see you active and helpful in the forum 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/11 "2013-08-27T23:28:28Z")
> [@killler](#): > > Hi! > > I’m going with Androtics as my next buy! > > Last buy was PheromoneXS Ascend,Evolve,Cohesion+Bliss and Odyssey samples. > > This was my first pheromone buy,and only Bliss,which is a social,has done something for me,I think. > > The rest is garbage. Humm, well I LOVE Odyssey, but truthfully it doesn’t last that long. Two sprays and I’m mad scientist giddy for 2 minutes then giggly and happy for 5, by 15 it’s mostly died down. At 45 can still notice it, but not much, at two hours I can notice just a hint of the feeling, but people around me and myself are still more gabby than normal. I really wish Androtics would bring Spaceland back. (Odyssey is Steve’s knockoff clone) I’m 85% convinced that it’s the clary sage that’s the limiting molecule. I’ve yet to order some to test that if I apply 2 sprays of Odyssey then wait 15 minutes for it to basically die down then apply some clary sage and see if the effects return. The a-nol should still be hanging about in very, very high quantity still at that point. As for Bliss, I never viewed it as something for using on others mainly self for the IDGAF effect mind you sales people get really friendly, really fast and really helpful… Unlike Odyssey it actually lasts basically all day. I haven’t been able to pull women with it with the few mixes that I’ve tried, but dang can I open, open and open as you really don’t give a damn if you get shot down. Overall I like the self effects of MX297 better than Bliss, but as Mobocaster said they’re somewhat similar… er about 30% in my eyes. Bliss is laidback and MX297 is larger than life and having fun. Both are also very strong and leave me woosy for longer than any other products. > [@killler](#): > > I am not really satisfied with mones so far. > > So I decided to try one more time:this time with the veteran of the phero industry… > > …My questions are: > > 1. approx how may sprays do you get with these TO-GO bottles? > and how many sprays of a TO-GO version are equivalent to 1 spray of the regular bottle? AD’s TO-GO bottles are the same volume spray as their 30ml. No difference in volume (they do that for testing purposes). > [@killler](#): > > 1. which AMMO should I get? > Should I take the standard version+the summer edition or world edition OR just the standard edition? That depends a bit on scent preferences. If you read Ammo threads, some love it, some hate it. I’m in the hating crowd but the stuff works. I’d have went with World Edition as it’s the same formula but a different much lighter scent. Summer Edition is also a different scent, but a bit different mone mix. Basically a lighter version of Ammo with some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) thrown in. > [@killler](#): > > 3)Do I need IH along with my IO to make a proper social or will the IO suffice? I usually use one or the other. I treat IH as a one-on-one mone for building rapport and IO as an opening mone just used to get lots of people talking. You’ll have to decide which one is a better fit for what you plan to do. Last night I thought I’d be working a group of people so I went with IO and things went well. > [@killler](#): > > 4)Do I need IG at all? I didn’t think I did, but Asians here in Japan seem to love the stuff. Not nearly as much as a reaction from caucasians, but everyones chemistry is different. I use IG over Ammo here 4 out of 5 nights. > [@killler](#): > > 5)Do any of these products make you very depressed? I got some bad depression from the Androstadienone in Ascend. Broadly speaking, no. The ODD person will report that, but AD removed A1 from their line due to many men having issues with A1. I personally don’t and love the stuff (I use A1 2 to 1 over any other mone, probably Instant Shine the next most), but if it depresses the shit out of you then it doesn’t matter what else you’re wearing, a depressed dude just isn’t a chick magnet. AD’s guarantee is also a factor. A1 might lead to more returns than any other product due to depression. > [@killler](#): > > 6)WHEN WILL TUTH BE BACK IN STOCK? No, idea but AD is usually pretty fast at restocking their consumer line. > [@killler](#): > > 7)Do Androtics really honour the money back guarantee,in case these mones don’t do anything for me like the XS stuff didn’t do? Yes, I gather it might be slow, but it’s a 1 year money back guarantee or something like that I gather. > [@killler](#): > > I’m 29,handsome face,muscles but not with an athletic body. > > Not very talkative or social,but the Bliss has made people approach me for a talk for no reason,I think. Mones are ONLY 10% of the equation the rest is clothing, how you carry yourself and game (I’m dirt poor and pulling more women now than I ever vaguely did when I made as much as a doctor). I suggest using mones and a good PUA book as a way to reinvigorate yourself. > [@killler](#): > > My goal is to attract women of all ages,and just explore the phero world a little. > > btw I have some luck with attracting the older ladies(over 36),and Bliss has made them more talkative to me,I think. > It did not have any effect on the younger girls. > For quite a few years now,YOUNGER GIRLS DON’T REACT TO ME AT ALL. > This is really starting to piss me off,so I would like a mone to get some attraction from them as well. Again partly will be the mones, and majorly it will be other things. As you age your mone signature will change over time. A girlfriend that used to get wet just being around you might not get turned on any more due to a decrease in none production. For most it’s generally a bad thing, but for me I’ve found more or less it’s been a tad better as I threw off too much none, however other mones will also be in decline. Work on yourself, how you carry yourself, how you look at life, act with women and treat yourself and others, etc. The Tao of Badass was a good book for the right mindset. I’m sure others will comment on other books. Ladies are hella smart at reading certain things about men and attracted to somethings more than others. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/12 "2013-08-28T01:17:19Z")
> [@Wyatt](#): > > AD’s TO-GO bottles are the same volume spray as their 30ml. No difference in volume (they do that for testing purposes). Nope! - here it is with working: > [@anyone know spray dosage of 30ml or the TOGO bottles?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-know-spray-dosage-of-30ml-or-the-togo-bottles/9278/8): > > As Gegogi mentioned it depends on the product you purchase as some are different. Sprays to make a ML have nothing to do with dosage of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) unless your making your own composite and need the conversion for that. No the formula is exactly the same but the spray nozzle is smaller. You get 83.74% of the spray from a to-go bottle. Without doing the actual math cause I am lazy thats about 13.8 mcg per spray of pheromone in the example used above. Are you trying to figure out the pheromone … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/13 "2013-08-28T01:22:42Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Nope! - here it is with working: > > [anyone know spray dosage of 30ml or the TOGO bottles?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anyone-know-spray-dosage-of-30ml-or-the-togo-bottles/9278/8) > > 🙂 I stand corrected. When I sprayed both, the volume seemed about the same, but the togos seem to be only 4/5ths as much as the 30 ml according to that. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-switching-to-androtics/59886/14 "2013-08-28T01:26:19Z")
> [@killler](#): > > Are any of these products suitable for younger girls? > > I’d really like to get into that area. > > For years now,they don’t respond to me at all. > > btw Does Androtics give any samples with orders if you request? All except the very overt none (TUTH and IJ) or A314 - although A314 can be used effectively in **small** doses alongside the likes of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and you do get occasional exceptions. Also, you can use overt none more freely in some situations, notably clubs, parties and the most uninhibited situations, when feelings are running high. But generally, you need to go-easier on the none around younger ones as generally they go for a broader/more social signature compared to the outright sexual/status vibe for older. So Ammo, IO, IH, IS and IG are all viable. Yes, they often include something interesting and do heed requests - but are not quite as responsive as they used to be. There is a thread explaining the current policy for throw-ins.