# I must be broken **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 5, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907 "2008-09-05T16:24:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Puppet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/puppet/32/992_2.png) [@Puppet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Puppet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/21 "2008-09-05T23:49:43Z")
Broken … # 1 … you are not broken dear #2 … i think you may need to feel better about yourself … (we all have so much to offer the world) … (we need to not be shy about offering ourselves to the betterment of the world as we see it) # 3 … be HAPPY!!! I know tis easier to say .. than to do. But … do try. People in general respond to happy and positive. #4 … I wish you well … really … you are NOT broken Puppet ---
**Author:** ![Jedi\_Nights](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jedi_nights/32/346_2.png) [@Jedi\_Nights](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jedi_Nights)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/22 "2008-09-05T23:59:03Z")
Neg reps to you Trantorx. Bad boy! Today I received a bottle from (((((Amy)))) (XOXO) of Honesty Extreme and put on 2 drops a couple of hours ago. Darn! I think I smell a pretentious phoney. Copycat: You ain’t broken! _ **“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.”** _ Mark Twain Most of the people in here are great! ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/23 "2008-09-06T00:23:58Z")
Copycat, if you read the men’s forum there are loads of threads along the lines of “it’s 90% you, 10% pheromones”, “don’t just rely on the pheromones, get hip to some of the PUA literature out there” (there is even an ad up there saying “Use pheromones with the Mystery Method”), “you make your own hits with the help of the pheromones” and what have you. So, has the pendulum swung so that men have all the good dating advice while women are not as well catered for in the game? I doubt it, I imagine it’s just that the women’s game tips are not as well publicised, cos people still largely assume that a woman just has to show up and that’s that. So, and I can’t obviously point out examples being a bloke, you may want to check out some of the women’s equivalent of the PUA material (there must be some out on the net, surely!) and some self-help material, to build a foundation from which to project your pheromonal aura. ---
**Author:** ![Richis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/richis/32/1756_2.png) [@Richis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Richis)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/24 "2008-09-06T01:09:24Z")
ntk23: While I haven’t read The Game, there is one book that I think is probably the best in giving dating advice to women: _Why Men Love Bitches._ Copycat: What the girls said. But we’ll need more detail like what you sprayed, how much and what the circumstances were. And to the men out there: Never. Ever. Mess. With. A. Group. Of. Angry. Women. We’ll be like those women in the musical _Chicago_. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/25 "2008-09-06T01:26:46Z")
> [@Richis](#): > > We’ll be like those women in the musical _Chicago_. heh heh heh… _snickers_ lol ---
**Author:** ![Siren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/siren/32/2186_2.png) [@Siren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Siren)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/26 "2008-09-06T01:27:57Z")
Oh my goodness, that man’s post broke my heart! ☹ Copycat you are not broken. Like Tessa said it is all about finding the right product. IS/B does not work for me ever. People tend to ignore me when I wear it. Yet 5 sprays of IS/A makes me a winner. I get noticed, men are very nice to me. All is good! Please do not feel discouraged. On the whole people here are very nice and supportive and will help you. Inkling is very experienced and a good mentor. Don’t give up! Good luck!!!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/27 "2008-09-06T02:34:06Z")
Holy Aphrodite, he just woke the dragon. 😠 Let me talk with copycat first though. > [@](#): > > Is it possible I’m just so unattractive that \*nothing \*can help me? Am I broken? No sweety its\*\* not\*\* possible your unattractive, But I do think your self esteem is broken. Dont you worry cause it can be fixed 😉 Every person has beauty and I am not just making that up to be nice. The key to unlocking that beauty is in believing it. Believe you are attractive, Believe you deserve to find your soul mate. Believe it and it will happen, We and everything in the universe is made of energy. The energy we release into the world attracts back to us. When you believe your creating positive energy and that will attract back to you. When you lack confidence and self esteem that negative energy comes back to you and will reflect on your life and happiness. I think your lack of self esteem can be making it a bit harder for you to successfully get your pheromones working. You need a certain amount of congruency with pheromones. Thats ok we can work on that, I suggest first that you never ever ever seek the help of a psychotherapist (snort) 😃 Come on smile you know thats funny 😛 Next… I want you to work on your confidence level, Do things for yourself that will help unleash your beauty. Know and understand your worth and yes you do have worth. Get some books on improving your self esteem [Women and Self-Esteem: Understanding and Improving the Way We Think and Feel AboutOurselves: Sanford, Linda Tschirhart, Donovan, Mary Ellen: 9780140082258: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Women-Self-Esteem-Understanding-Improving-Ourselves/dp/0140082255/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220663470&sr=1-10) : Women and Self-Esteem: Understanding and Improving the Way We Think and Feel About Ourselves: Linda Tschirhart Sanford, Mary Ellen Donovan: Books [Self-Esteem: A Proven Program of Cognitive Techniques for Assessing, Improving, and Maintaining Your Self-Esteem: Matthew McKay, Patrick Fanning: 9781572241985: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Self-Esteem-Cognitive-Techniques-Assessing-Maintaining/dp/1572241985/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220663470&sr=1-1:) Self-Esteem: A Proven Program of Cognitive Techniques for Assessing, Improving, and Maintaining Your Self-Esteem: Matthew McKay, Patrick Fanning: Books These are both good and inexpensive. I want you to look into getting the book “The secret” to. If you dont want to buy these you can get them at your local library. Jazzy and SteveO sometimes send out books to members out of the blue. I will check and see if they have any suggestions to. I know Jazzy will. I think meditation and visualization techniques will be very helpful to you as well [http://www.universallawstoday.com/ebooks/visualization.pdf](http://www.universallawstoday.com/ebooks/visualization.pdf) You can get alot of information on this online or at your library. Dont worry about the pheromones, once you start feeling good about yourself we can work on those and the guarantee lasts a year. You stick with us and we can help you work on it. We could all use a boost in self esteem once in a while. This Phero family is about more then just Pheromones. We are here together to explore and learn and help each other enhance our lives. Hugs (((((copycat)))))) Its going to be ok, we all feel down sometimes and self improvement is a life long journey we all should embark on. Here on Pherotalk we get to take that journey together. … Hello Trantorex > [@](#): > > And boy there are a lot of hard truths in life you have to swallow. Yes there is I suggest you get your self a glass of water because your about to swallow a few. 😠 First off being a doctor or a psychotherapist dosnt qualify you to understand what pheromones are capable of doing. It has been proven that copulins can increases a womens attractiveness. A great deal of studies have been done on this by Astrid Jutte and Dr Cutler. (no affiliation to this sight) While it is true that pheromones are just a small part of attraction they are a part of it. > [@](#): > > bottom line: maybe ( i don´t know you!) your optic presence doesn’t fit the mens standard. also there could be a lot of other factors (shyness, being a emo) Ugly is as ugly does, that was a ugly statement and reflects on you and your attitude more then it can ever reflect on copycat. Every mans standards and tastes are different. People are different, you cant fit them into a little rational box. Humans do not work that way. Are you trying to say that her optic presence doesn’t fit every man standards. That is a total load of crap and you know it. > [@](#): > > If so i dunno what you could do there except for the crazy stuff (beauty operations, fat suckings, diet) which repels a lot men too and doesnt help. But there is always someone fitting to be found, so there is always hope This shocked me most of all I think, Those procedure may make a person look better but they will not improve a persons outlook on themselves. Some of the most beautiful women in the world have self esteem issues fat sucking and cosmetic surgery are not the preferred methods of improving that. How can you be a Doctor and totally miss the fact that her self esteem is low. Is that what you would suggest to a patient with low self esteem ? > [@](#): > > i did in no way refer to the original poster as a person. WTF, thats the point, **she is a person** and she is a person you just belittled and made feel bad about herself with your arrogant perceived load of crap you call truth. How dare you. There is absolutely nothing rational about that. > [@](#): > > i just stated the hard truth as most of the men see it (regarding their view on potential partners) and thats what the original poster asked here for. Where are all these men that are so shallow and disgusting. They must all be in Europe cause they are not here. I know alot of men, I work with a huge all male crew. None of them think like this. Yes they are visually stimulated but all of them have different visual stimuli. They all attract to different traits in people. To clump men all together is ignorant and disrespectful to the gender. > [@](#): > > I too have to swallow the fact, that 80 % of the women/men are intimidated and repelled by my incredible negative aura (though it is alphalike) when they see me the first time (which thank god disperses very fast after knowing me deeply better) Please I think you should study a little harder on what makes up a Alpha male. Everything you wrote in that post screamed Beta to me. Betas feels its ok to belittle another and then try to rationalize it by saying well its the truth. The only person its the truth for is you. Doctor heal thy self. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/28 "2008-09-06T03:31:18Z")
[Trantorx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trantorx), I appreciate your observations – and how careful you were not to be terribly offensive. CopyCat ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/29 "2008-09-06T03:39:55Z")
> [@Richis](#): > > ntk23: While I haven’t read The Game, there is one book that I think is probably the best in giving dating advice to women: _Why Men Love Bitches._ I imagine the title is a bit of marketing hype as well, and the advice is not _literally_ to be a “bitch” any more than men should literally be a “jerk”. Copycat, I shouldn’t think you’ll have to become like Alexis Carrington off Dynasty, LOL. And, what Renny says: I can also confirm that many guys are scared of approaching a woman or even being caught looking. So that might be why you haven’t noticed any hits. I have not had any truly unambiguous sexual hits myself as yet, maybe one IOI, it’s hard to call. But I will say that I have had a great time and have felt like an agent for spreading good vibes at several social events I have been to. So, if this keeps up, I am pretty confident that I can leverage this effect to pro-actively approach and try and make the hits happen. Every woman I meet seems to be already attached though, so far ☹ But that can’t go on forever, surely, that’s statistically improbable to say the least. And it is statistically improbable that you will not see anything unusual (in a good way) happen with the pheros. ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/30 "2008-09-06T03:45:37Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > I’d have to go back and read your posts to find your products and the amounts you applied and so on Copycat. Care to make it easy for me and give a quick summarization? > > With out knowing what you’ve worn I would suggest starting over with just instant openness or instant honesty and wearing consistently until they’ve trained you to be more socially aware. A smidgen of taf can also be helpful and eye opening if you’re just missing what is going on around you. > > Hang in there! inkling, thanks! I did the initial “put it all on at once” that everyone tries when they get their packages, then I was a good girl and tried just one at a time (_Instant Shine, Instant Sexiness, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/),_ and _MX134)_,\* starting with a spritz on my neck/chest and one between my wrists. I tried each for five days in a row, then moved on to the next bottle. I reported in July that IS/a gave me a headache at first, then just left me with the urge to compliment people. I didnt bother reporting on the others because I didn’t notice any effects with them. I worked my way up to four sprays of Instant Shine, and like I said, I like the smell, but I don’t detect any effects on myself or others around me. You think TAF will help? CopyCat ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/31 "2008-09-06T03:52:18Z")
> [@renny](#): > > OMG Copycat, of course you aren’t broken! OR unattractive! I don’t know much about the girlie pheromones so I’ll leave phero advice to Inkling and my name twin\_\_ 😛 @remmy\_\_ 😃 . > > I will guarantee that you pass guys everyday who look at you and think “Man I should say something to her”. For whatever reason they haven’t yet. Guess what? It’s THEIR negativity that is stopping them don’t take that onto yourself. Find something that empowers you and dump those negative thoughts. Stick with these “successful chicks” around here. They rock! Renny, Thanks, I think part of my problem might be environmental. I live in a city that’s polite but not friendly and it’s been very hard to make friends, let alone boyfriends. You’re right! The women here are strong and positive and I love them! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/32 "2008-09-06T03:54:19Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > My post did not insinuate that Tantorx insulted Copycat. I do however think his post is garbage, potentially hurtful and in no way helpful. What I do find insulting is how I’ve been replied to. > > I’m sorry Copycat I did not mean to take your thread so far off course. No apology necessary, I’m intrigued by the exchange. ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/33 "2008-09-06T03:55:01Z")
> [@phernoob](#): > > Copycat. Dont give up! It takes many of us several weeks to figure out what works for us. Everyone has to find the right combos that work with their personal signature. Also the personalities of the people around you are experiencing you in a different way (if they already know you), and need some time to adjust subconciously. > Keep plugging away - I know you will see great results soon! Only weeks? (wailing) I started in July! ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/34 "2008-09-06T03:58:26Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > (snip) > All you need is confidence. People make judgement of you on the way you carry yourself. Being negative about yourself is just no good, you’re hurting yourself, you’re discouraging others from talking to you, and you’re wasting your time. > > I bet you’re a fuckin’ hot lady. C’mon lady, straighten up with your head up high and a tiny smile, and knock the floor with your stilettos. If none of the men looked at you, come tell me. 😉 msselva, that was a helluva pep talk! Thanks girl, you’re right of course. I need to take a deep breath and get the kink outta my think. xo ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/35 "2008-09-06T04:14:56Z")
Mark, I should have known a fellow Texan would come to my defense. I can see why the ladies flock to you! I’ve been through the wringer in the past couple of years relationship-wise, and maybe I’m just not ready yet for dating. I wouldn’t doubt I’m giving off a weird vibe, now that I consider everything. It occurs to me now that my post must have reeked of lack of confidence and I didn’t mean for it to. I like people, I’m outgoing, and reasonably attractive in a curvy way 🙄. I don’t haunt bars or places where the players play and I have a great circle of friends (boys and girls) who are all transplants like me. I wasn’t expecting miracles with pheromones, in fact, I read the “what they can and can’t do” post carefully. I guess I got wrapped up in all the excitement and was hoping for _some_ response, either from myself or others. copycat ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/36 "2008-09-06T04:22:34Z")
Hey ntk23, Good god, “It promises to bring you from stranger status to bed partner within 4 to 10 hours per woman?!” I want nothing to do with that! I’m not looking to get laid, I can handle that part without chemicals. In fact, I’m hoping for quite the opposite… meaningful relationships. Though I will take any dating advice I can get 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/37 "2008-09-06T04:29:10Z")
Tisha, I took careful notes and will follow up with you! This forum is full of amazing, thoughtful people. I can’t believe my luck in finding all of you! copycat ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/38 "2008-09-06T04:33:52Z")
ntk23, Too bad you’re across the pond; I’d invite you for drinks 😛 Your post was helpful and I always am interested in guys’ perspectives. Sometimes I think were completely different species, sometimes I see we aren’t so unalike. CopyCat ---
**Author:** ![schell0385](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/schell0385/32/199_2.png) [@schell0385](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/schell0385)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/39 "2008-09-06T05:30:37Z")
Copycat, I do not think this person is a doctor or psychotherapist is he??? I have not found anywhere he has mentioned this? First off being a doctor or a psychotherapist dosnt qualify you to understand what pheromones are capable of doing. And I do not know any psychotherapist who would say something as poorly as he did. Being a doctor though _would qualify_ him to understand what pheromones are capable of doing…but I have not read anywhere he has said that either, and I do not know of any doctor who would say anything like that…I think he is just a 25 year old male kid whose brain has not developed fully, but his mouth has. So do not take what he has said as coming from an educated mind that knows or understands anything about life, people or the human body… Be well…we are all with you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907/40 "2008-09-06T05:54:07Z")
thanks to you guys who came to my aid also.. esp ink, renny and mark 🙂 i just felt that it was really unnecessary. he could’ve phrased it better and not sounded so rude. he should understand that this is a friendly forum but no disrespect will be tolerated. like my mom always says: unless u have something nice or constructive to say, its better not to say anything. o btw schell, somewhere in that kid’s post he says that he’s a psychotherapist student. funny that i remember in my med school they teach us that the first and foremost rule of taking care of somebody is to do no harm. hang in there copycat, ur awesome 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-must-be-broken/18907.md?page=3)