# I need guidence **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 18, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207 "2006-03-18T16:58:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/1 "2006-03-18T16:58:30Z")
Ok so im barely getting into the pheromone thing. Ive been trying love-scent products and phelure. I started last week. I want to give some of the products on this site a test run on my quest as well. but… First off a little about me, Im 24, 1/2 Norwegian 1/2 African American, clean cut, lean and in shape. good looking. but very shy and confused. (you can thank my past relationships for that) guess im a bit gun shy. plus ive been in relationships soooo long, that i think ive lost my “go out there and hunt” instincts. which were never really strong to begin with. Things ive been noticing with my test sample packs– Strong products like T.E, Chikara, Perception, work good, I get attention, but I think naturally I pump out the “alpha” pheromone (due to ethnicity), because girls are a little more flirty, but become VERY shy, and usually look down at their feet like little girls. thats not cool. sure they may hang around me more, but its not fun when they are walking behind you or holding your shirt and not your hand. Products like Scent of Eros/Phelure seem to work the best–but, its just a chatty social thing. as opposed to what im looking for. I like the chats, but I really dont have much game, and need something that will push THEM to the next level. (like maybe a touch on the arm, damn i dont bite ffs) What I am looking for is something that will open them up, but not be so shy at the same time. This means no Alpha products (RIGHT?). I’d like attention, but with a deep sexual twist. like “Wow he is good looking, I MUST GET HIS ATTENTION.” as opposed to “WOW he is good looking, but I bet he is stuck up, or a player, or theres no way I would approach him” Products like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) look appealing, but again, Im shy, so the effect they get from it, may shift to some other clown in the area because of my hesitation. Before I make a move, I usually wait for a girl to give me a clear sign. being shy isnt a good sign to me, it kinda freaks me out. I think Turn Up The Heat (is that how its spelled?) look VERY appealing, but it says I cant wear it everyday. which sucks, because I want something I can wear everyday. I work in a skyscraper, with TONS of women. I dont think I need a product like iShine (IS?), because Im young, and I already have a shine.😃 My problem is breaking the ice, when a girl looks nervous, it some how makes me nervous. I need something bold, but not too bold. Something that will make them comfortable, but not friendly friendly, something more sexual. any recommendations??? Hope all said above wasnt too confusing hahaha ---
**Author:** ![evobenny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/91b2a8/32.png) [@evobenny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evobenny)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/2 "2006-03-18T19:11:45Z")
why dun u mix them like soe with the edge? and test them out? or you could get some A1 to let the ladies feel comfortable with you around them? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/3 "2006-03-18T21:44:32Z")
what is Androstadienone??? Im thinking maybe [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) + IS + Turn Up The Heat will be a good mix? IShine may not be a bad idea… how is IS + TUTH? and can it be used every day if applied carefully? ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/4 "2006-03-18T23:22:14Z")
hello to a fellow norwegian. you cannot and will not go wrong with IShine. also, if you work around lots of women, you must have A314 and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). those 3 products and you simply can’t have 2 slow days in a row unless you try your best to ignore the signs and slump in your cubicle with a chip on your shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/5 "2006-03-19T14:59:43Z")
Shy, young men love the Instant Openness to Instant Shine combo. Don’t use Turn Up The Heat daily. In fact, don’t use it when meeting new people at all, unless you’re meeting them in a sexual context (like a club or bar, where women go out on the prowl). It’s meant to Turn UP the heat, on SUBSEQUENT meetings with a women… second or third date, that kind of thing. What you want to build with new women is attraction, comfort, and trust. Using androstenone is aggressively sexual, akin to walking around with your fly open and your penis out… too aggressive. Instant Shine is great at introducing a physically attractive element that’s comfortable and fun. If you don’t mind how it affects you, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) can really help women drop their guard, too. Much to my surprise, I’ve had women _vigorously_ initiate conversations with me using Instant Openness, Shine and Instant Female Magic. Sometimes one after the other. (with the first one, you get a social proof element that encourages other women to vie for your attention) Now this is important: Even though women will sometimes initiate with you, push that out of your head. Don’t aim for that – that’s a weak position to come from. Men play the biological role of initiators, and if you’re not doing that, you’re going to be working against what you’re building with pheromones. Bottom line: You need to get some game. If you don’t know where to start, start with The Mystery Method book or DVDs. (they have forums, too, but they tend to have the same basic questions asked over and over again – not nearly as good as the book) The Mystery Method is what Neil Strauss’ book and upcoming movie “The Game” is based on. It’s light years beyond most of the dating or “pick up” material out there, and will move you light years beyond where you are now. When you have some game, when you become a decent initiator (go on the “newbie mission”), A314 would also prove to be an invaluable tool in your arsenal. In terms of the Mystery Method, A314 helps you to display higher value. I wouldn’t recommend for you as you are now, though – shy people and A314 don’t mix, unless you _want_ your space. Right now, you want women to invade your space more than ever. That’s where iShine really shines. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/6 "2006-03-20T16:59:12Z")
Good advice. I do have some game thou ahahah. dont get me wrong. I am not an initiator. A girl must glance or smile before I make a move. luckily, im not a bad looking guy. so its gotten me by. once I get a glance, I make my move. Once I break the ice, im pretty deep (as my ex’s would say) the thing is. I have a weird persona. Im very mature for my age, and can come off as “cocky” just because I dress sharp and have unique features. this tends to scare off “cute girls” and turn on “bad girls” thats the problem. (which is why i mentioned my past relationship experiences) I have sharp feature, but they are also soft? (does that make sense?) I dont have a beard, and look young, but some may say I have a cold norwegian look. I need something that will put the shy girls at ease. I get nervous when they look nervous. but now im getting older, and I need a much more stable, career oriented girl. the fact that i am shy, makes it appear as if im stuck up. when im really not. (I am so so popular, but im also shy per L.A standards) anywho. perhaps I will give [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), Instant Openness, and IS a try. questions: 1. Is Spaceland better than IO??? 2. What about IO (x2 30mg) which I just ordered. (im supposed to add that too the comment box right? hope it worked) 3. Will Spaceland and IShine tone down A314? meaning althou it makes others "take a step back for respect, perhaps IFM and IO will draw them near? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/7 "2006-03-20T17:02:29Z")
also. is there anything that is mixed in the experiment section. instead of buying like 5 bottles?? lol ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/8 "2006-03-20T18:28:09Z")
1. Spaceland is purely Alpha Androstenol wich is the carefree, icebreaking, chatty pheromone. Spaceland is 50mcg/spray. Instant Openness is primarily Alpha-Androstenol, but with a few extra tweaks to it, which gives it a slightly more serious note to it. Both initiate openness and chattiness. I like IO, because you can tailor the dosages more easily than Spaceland, because its only 15mcg/spray or 30mcg/spray depending on the strength you buy. 2 sprays should be plenty for the double strength 30mcg version you have. 2. IO and IShine will help bring women closer to you and help initiate more conversation. IS makes you and other around you feel good, which draws them closer. IS also makes you more confident and gives you a youthful sexy vibe. This helps when wearing A314. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) makes women much more relaxed and sometimes excited when you wear more sprays. I’ve found that women give you more chances and don’t get mad near as quickly without it. It kind of turns them into a cushion against negatives. Also if the women is attracted to you; IFM helps initiate strong emotional connections much more rapidly. I never leave A314 out of my mixes, because I will initiate conversation if like you said see women give you “the look”. A314 is invaluable to those who initiate. It brings an increase in status, power, leadership, and trust. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/9 "2006-03-20T20:09:20Z")
Good post Cloud. I went with IO (30 mg) I think I see what you mean about being able to play with the dosage more. Still debating on A314. I wish there were sample packs. =/ ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/10 "2006-03-20T20:09:27Z")
> [@examine](#): > > I need something that will put the shy girls at ease. I get nervous when they look nervous. but now im getting older, and I need a much more stable, career oriented girl. the fact that i am shy, makes it appear as if im stuck up. when im really not. (I am so so popular, but im also shy per L.A standards) Michael/Jasmin/Tacitus - something with TAC/TAK/TAH? I was thinking in partic about the following post by Tacitus **[Initial TAK observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/5)** **afterthoughts** I also did notice that although the class had a high woman-man ratio that night the women were unusually comfortable talking to me, as if a natural psychological barrier had been reduced. I spoke with a number of the women who were new to the class as if I had known them for a longer time. Where most [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) seem to somewhat alter one’s rationality about who one is attracted to, TAK feels like it leaves the rational filters intact, there isn’t an attractive pull so much as there is a reduction in resistance… if that makes any sense. It is likely that those persons who are harboring stressful emotion, have anger issues, mental imbalances or strange neurotocisms may produce something else that is an NMDA agonist (the opposite of an antagonist) that makes others edgy or alert, and probably emotionally defensive, in their presence. TAK may provide a different, possibly more effective way to counter the Lone Wolf syndrome… if social loners are that way in part because they put others on edge, the strategy of using the -nols may not be complete, as one may feel conflicted in their presence or chatty but not fully at ease. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/11 "2006-03-20T20:24:50Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Michael/Jasmin/Tacitus - something with TAC/TAK/TAH? > > TAK feels like it leaves the rational filters intact, there isn’t an attractive pull so much as there is a reduction in resistance… if that makes any sense. > > TAK may provide a different, possibly more effective way to counter the Lone Wolf syndrome… Wow very interesting post. I do have some what of the lonewolf syndrome, but I do know a lot of people. But Its more of a large social network as opposed to having ‘ol pals’ but I live in hollywood so obviously living here is a bit different than living in the good ol southern hospitality regions. In fact I think there are more lonewolves than butterflies in my neck of the woods. So I think our definition of “lonewolf” may be different. TAK sounds like a fem product? or I could be wrong what is TAK exatcly?😕 ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/12 "2006-03-20T20:27:51Z")
TAK feels like it leaves the rational filters intact, there isn’t an attractive pull so much as there is a reduction in resistance… if that makes any sense. * * * kinda confused with this— ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-guidence/207/13 "2006-03-21T15:25:43Z")
Just got my packs today (damn that was fast) Im wearing IShine right now. It makes you smile for barely any reason. hehehe. Im not going to play with the other sprays until I finish my Scent of Eros, Perception and The Edge gel packs. Right now im wearing 2 sprays of IS, 1/2 gel pack of Scent of Eros, 1/2 of Perception and 1 spray of Phelure. My mood is pretty up. Good thing about my job is I work in a class room with majority women of all ages. Class hasnt started but stay tuned for updates all this week, as I prepare to analyze both love scents items and the ones from this site. =)