# I need serious help here...

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**Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\
**Created:** [August 6, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329 "2012-08-06T15:45:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![jkim543](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@jkim543](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jkim543)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329/1 "2012-08-06T15:45:02Z")

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a) Your age, or general range

Hi, my name is Jae Kim, 30 years old.

b) Sex (male, female)

I am a straight healthy male. =)

c) General location

I live in Chicago, IL, but I frequently travel to South Korea, Japan. Hopefully this stuff works for Asian ladies.

d) Most importantly, tell us a bit about yourself, your personality, why you’re here, and what you hope [pheromones](https://a314.com/) will do for you.

I am extremely cautious when it comes to hitting a beautiful girl in the US. I usually wait until they show interest in me, which does not happen often (once a month), but it happens occasionally. For example, at a club, a random blond grabbed me, and started kissing me, or many asked me out for dates. The problem is most girls I like are ones I do not want to date. Ones I want to date reject me or show no interest.

The first products I have used a few days ago were Pherlure + Athena. They seemed to work. I had strong eye contacts for the first time, and people were very friendly to me. However, I feel like I am missing something. There was no strong sexual attention what so ever. I know that I must escalate the interactions to the sexual levels, but it always fails. I am a 5?9?, 182 lb, muscular guy, who attracts ugly girls 24/7. I need some serious help here?

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**Author:** ![GabRulez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gabrulez/32/394_2.png) [@GabRulez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GabRulez)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329/2 "2012-08-06T17:31:36Z")

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Welcome to Pherotalk.

I never used Pherlure and Athena so can’t help you with those product.

If what you need the the first contact, I suggest you to try AMMO.  
You can mix this product with other products such as IG or IO.  
Good combos for bars and clubs with AMMO:

AMMO+IS (That’s what I use, makes you feel happy and good mood for conversations)  
AMMO+IG (It will make you confident)  
AMMO+IO (Start good conversation)

There are still other possibilities. You must find your sweet spot first you get max effect with pheromones. Once you get your 25$, I recommend getting a combo with the To-Go size.

Don’t hesitate asking questions and you can use the Search option on the forum for specific informations. If you still need help for those product from Pherlure maybe some members here can help you.

Here’s some thread that might help you:

> [@Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343):
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> Originally found here: [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in wit…

[How to find your Sweet Spot](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-your-sweet-spot/22146/1)

> [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003):
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> Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an…

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**Author:** ![barton9ne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/barton9ne/32/1152_2.png) [@barton9ne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/barton9ne)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329/3 "2012-08-06T22:20:55Z")

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Hi Jae Kim, welcome to PheroTalk,

Like Gab said, Ammo + Combination of “The Social” (Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Gentleman) goes well for bars and night clubs, not sure about in the States but for me, back in Singapore, I alternate my mixes with Ammo and Tuth, some threaders says there’s an age range like \>40yo and \<40 respectively, but I try both either way.. If you’re not in any under tight budget, you could always try to grab your hand on the Killer Kit. Basically it’s everything you want to experiment with, try to get add ons like Instant Jerk and Turn Up The Heat.. If not, you can always go with Gab recommendation.

Result back on Asian woman may get a bit freaky and that’s where you start finding your sweet spots, I refer it as the pulse, on which produce the best results.. Before I bought my own mones, I used a friend recommended mones by AndroticsDirect, at the end of the day gotten 3 women numbers, a bit shocking for me since I was a loser or you can say Beta Male (who always get friendzoned) after this experience, I was sure of myself..

So now here I am experimenting mones representing the East side of the world.. More importantly, change starts with you, try to pick up on how to be Alpha at the same time, use these mones to “Enhance” youself.. I’m telling you brother, you would see the better side of life, if you know what I mean.. Have fun while you at it..

Cheers Mate

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**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329/4 "2012-08-07T01:52:10Z")

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> [@jkim543](#):
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> The first products I have used a few days ago were Pherlure + Athena. They seemed to work. I had strong eye contacts for the first time, and people were very friendly to me. However, I feel like I am missing something. There was no strong sexual attention what so ever. I know that I must escalate the interactions to the sexual levels, but it always fails. I am a 5?9?, 182 lb, muscular guy, who attracts ugly girls 24/7. I need some serious help here?

Pherlure is widely regarded as a scam as far as pheros go, with very little and people consistantly reporting they only get results from the first bottle and nothing more. Quite a number still buy it for its scent alone though, which is very well liked.

Athena is an altogether different matter - a genuine and long established product. The only real criticism against it is that it is very far behind the times and there are other far better products to rival it now.

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**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\
**Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-serious-help-here/56329/5 "2012-08-13T14:01:35Z")

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Welcome Jkim,

I know I am totally late in responding but I don’t think you have ordered av yet.

It is great that you ordered from different companies and are able to compare to see which one works the best.

I would be careful because there are a few scam companies out there.

I know the pherlure have been reported to not work but there are some ppl that find their products useful

More importantly I am glad you are here with us and hope our products can help you reach your goal.

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