# ICM ...1b oil mix... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892 "2009-09-29T22:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/1 "2009-09-29T22:35:26Z")
First off, let me say that I LOVE the ICM mixes. Steve you are a genius! šŸ™‚ Because Iā€™ve found them to work very well for me and because Iā€™m not the most imaginitive person Iā€™ve been trying mutant versions of these mixes. Iā€™ve recently made a mutant version of ICM ā€¦1a with P75 instead of ~none and Iā€™ll write up a report in a few days. Still trying to figure it out. (Could have amped up the amount of P75- or P75 layers differently than it composites.) Today I mixed up a batch of ICM ā€¦1b that Iā€™ll likely try out on Friday. Today is more for posterity so I know what I did. I trolled the forums for a while looking for any insights into making an oil based mix just because I wanted to try something different. Couldnā€™t find much. Decided to just wing it. I tend to go through life just intuiting what to do next and quite often it works out pretty decently. Because I know how the alcohol mix of ICM 1b reacts I figured Iā€™d give the oil base at try (and I was worried about trying 1a because I didnā€™t want the ~none to hang around long after everything else had dissipated). For the record, since I was winging it, I have no idea what the actual per drop amounts would come out to however below is what I would have if this was a spray. I knew since I was diluting this way down that Iā€™d need a much stronger dose of each component so I quintupled the original per spray doseages (just winging it šŸ™‚). So into a 30ml dropper top bottle that was already filled with 15ml of DPG with plant musks I put- 1.6ml TAA 20mcg 2ml Betanol 25mcg 1.6ml P93 15mcg 2ml P74 25mcg 2.5ml P83 62.5mcg 4.7 alcohol That equaled about 15ml of ingredients at the phero strengths Iā€™d had which gives me a nice full bottle of mixture for an ~1 to 1 ratio. I also got everything in 6% [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent to see if it is anything like A314. Gonna be interesting. Could be great but Iā€™ll probably crash and burn. Thatā€™ll be fun too. šŸ˜ƒ Iā€™ll keep you all informed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/2 "2009-09-29T22:40:29Z")
It was not easy getting any type of help when deciding how to make oil based mixes for the high-humidity of Memphis. What I did manage to discover mostly through trial and error, and also a bit of detective work is that I make 7X concentrate and then add that to the oil. So if I was using a 10 ml bottle I would make make one quarter a 7X concentrate and 3/4 DPG. Seems to work really well. Of course these are my calculations and you should experiment too šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/3 "2009-09-29T22:43:46Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > It was not easy getting any type of help when deciding how to make oil based mixes for the high-humidity of Memphis. What I did manage to discover mostly through trial and error, and also a bit of detective work is that I make 7X concentrate and then add that to the oil. > > So if I was using a 10 ml bottle I would make make one quarter a 7X concentrate and 3/4 DPG. Seems to work really well. Of course these are my calculations and you should experiment too šŸ™‚ Thanks, Steve! If I find myself bathing in this to get any effects, I know I way under dosed. Just out of curiosity, do you notice any major differences between the oil and the alcohol as far as reactions from others? ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/4 "2009-09-29T23:09:04Z")
WOW I remember the thread you had started about making an oil mix. IWhat I had taken away from it, was that it would be expensive to do. I let that idea stay on my back burner as I want to look into that too. I am glad you continued on with your experiements to make it happen! I am so excited to hear about how this turns out! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/5 "2009-09-29T23:10:08Z")
Where are you guys getting this ICM oil from? Or making it? ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/6 "2009-09-29T23:13:59Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Where are you guys getting this ICM oil from? Or making it? This is my humble attempt at compositing ICM ā€¦1b into an oil based mix. Not a clue whether it will work or not, however. Just by ā€˜guessingā€™ at things I ended up with an ~1 to 1 ratio of pheros/alcohol to oil that doesnā€™t appear to be too thin to use effectively. Now, whether or not I need 43 drops of it to be effective remains to be seen. šŸ˜ƒ I do know that if this is effective, Iā€™d probably get everything at regular cologne strength (unless the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) REALLY gets stronger when this composites) because right now it is pretty weak. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/7 "2009-09-29T23:21:47Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > This is my humble attempt at compositing ICM ā€¦1b into an oil based mix. Not a clue whether it will work or not, however. Just by ā€˜guessingā€™ at things I ended up with an ~1 to 1 ratio of pheros/alcohol to oil that doesnā€™t appear to be too thin to use effectively. Now, whether or not I need 43 drops of it to be effective remains to be seen. šŸ˜ƒ > > I do know that if this is effective, Iā€™d probably get everything at regular cologne strength (unless the Akuto REALLY gets stronger when this composites) because right now it is pretty weak. When I made my ICM, I used Cologne (nautica) and it is f@king awesome! It works great! That was what made me think about oil. The only cons I discovered is that it weakens the phero output. So the concentrate has to be very high. Looks like steve said 7x. I wonder if 1 drop equaled something like one spray. I think his sweet spot was around 6? so then 6 drops possibly. I did come across a formula to convert drops to sprays I will look for it and post back. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/8 "2009-09-29T23:23:43Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Thanks, Steve! If I find myself bathing in this to get any effects, I know I way under dosed. Just out of curiosity, do you notice any major differences between the oil and the alcohol as far as reactions from others? Nope, only works much better in really humid environs like clubs and when the standing humidity is high like in TN. Otherwise I would suggest alcohol based for quicker more efficient diffusion šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/9 "2009-09-29T23:27:44Z")
I have one of Steveā€™s ICM oil mixes, marked with an X on the gold cap. It is rather understated due to the oil base and slow diffusion. I find it works best as a supplement rather than a standalone. I sometimes use it after work to add a bit of edgy spice to my A314/SOE mix, and hit happy hour. In fact, Iā€™m going to a wedding after work today so Iā€™ll don a couple long stripes and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/10 "2009-09-29T23:27:46Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > When I made my ICM, I used Cologne (nautica) and it is f@king awesome! It works great! That was what made me think about oil. The only cons I discovered is that it weakens the phero output. So the concentrate has to be very high. Looks like steve said 7x. I wonder if 1 drop equaled something like one spray. I think his sweet spot was around 6? so then 6 drops possibly. I did come across a formula to convert drops to sprays I will look for it and post back. Good questions as always šŸ™‚ Keep in mind that I am 42 years old so heavy -none is good with my chemistry. Most persons find that 2-4 (3 avg) are going to be right for them. I calculated that 1 drop should equal about 1 spray of my original mix. Well plus some ā€œnewā€ additions. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/11 "2009-09-29T23:44:21Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I have one of Steveā€™s ICM oil mixes, marked with an X on the gold cap. It is rather understated due to the oil base and slow diffusion. I find it works best as a supplement rather than a standalone. I sometimes use it after work to add a bit of edgy spice to my A314/SOE mix, and hit happy hour. In fact, Iā€™m going to a wedding after work today so Iā€™ll don a couple long stripes and see what happens. Thats kind of what I figured. It can be used similar to A314: it can be steered with so many spray additions. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/12 "2009-09-29T23:45:55Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Good questions as always šŸ™‚ > > Keep in mind that I am 42 years old so heavy -none is good with my chemistry. Most persons find that 2-4 (3 avg) are going to be right for them. I calculated that 1 drop should equal about 1 spray of my original mix. Well plus some ā€œnewā€ additions. Good information to start from then. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/13 "2009-09-29T23:46:36Z")
Oh, cool! > [@Snoopyace](#): > > This is my humble attempt at compositing ICM ā€¦1b into an oil based mix. Not a clue whether it will work or not, however. Just by ā€˜guessingā€™ at things I ended up with an ~1 to 1 ratio of pheros/alcohol to oil that doesnā€™t appear to be too thin to use effectively. Now, whether or not I need 43 drops of it to be effective remains to be seen. šŸ˜ƒ > > I do know that if this is effective, Iā€™d probably get everything at regular cologne strength (unless the Akuto REALLY gets stronger when this composites) because right now it is pretty weak. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/14 "2009-09-29T23:52:59Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > This is my humble attempt at compositing ICM ā€¦1b into an oil based mix. Not a clue whether it will work or not, however. Just by ā€˜guessingā€™ at things I ended up with an ~1 to 1 ratio of pheros/alcohol to oil that doesnā€™t appear to be too thin to use effectively. Now, whether or not I need 43 drops of it to be effective remains to be seen. šŸ˜ƒ . I was also looking at making pheromones oil based. I looked into essential oil based perfumes, so to make it slightly oil based one can just add oil or some essential oils as the alcohol would evaporate off anyways leaving pheromones and oil behindā€¦ So i suspect even though itā€™s not a total oil product the effect will be the same? Iā€™m also looking into ā€˜alcohol thickening agentsā€™ which should turn it more into a gel (like those hand sanitisers). some [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) are sold as gels too. Iā€™m sure if you add some oil youā€™d get a oil-gel based product that is oiled, has some thickness to it and can be used on androtics sprays šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/15 "2009-09-29T23:56:56Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > I was also looking at making pheromones oil based. > > I looked into essential oil based perfumes, so to make it slightly oil based one can just add oil or some essential oils as the alcohol would evaporate off anyways leaving pheromones and oil behindā€¦ So i suspect even though itā€™s not a total oil product the effect will be the same? > > Iā€™m also looking into ā€˜alcohol thickening agentsā€™ which should turn it more into a gel (like those hand sanitisers). some pheromone product are sold as gels too. Iā€™m sure if you add some oil youā€™d get a oil-gel based product that is oiled, has some thickness to it and can be used on androtics sprays šŸ™‚ Very cool! That would be interesting, having a gel phero like a hand sanitizer. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/16 "2009-09-30T00:03:08Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Nope, only works much better in really humid environs like clubs and when the standing humidity is high like in TN. > > Otherwise I would suggest alcohol based for quicker more efficient diffusion šŸ™‚ Thanks for the reply! I do plan on hitting the clubs more so I look forward to giving this a whirl in a ā€˜suitableā€™ environment! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/17 "2009-09-30T00:17:29Z")
They already have that, Love Scent has gel packets and theyā€™re in this form. When you spread it on you though it blends in just like alcohol hand gel, so I think in a way it ends up being the same as spray form, unless you just glob it on and donā€™t rub it in. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > Very cool! That would be interesting, having a gel phero like a hand sanitizer. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/18 "2009-09-30T00:19:48Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > They already have that, Love Scent has gel packets and theyā€™re in this form. When you spread it on you though it blends in just like alcohol hand gel, so I think in a way it ends up being the same as spray form, unless you just glob it on and donā€™t rub it in. Wow, do they work any longer than the sprays do? ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/19 "2009-09-30T00:36:40Z")
The idea of a gel is intriguing. Iā€™m curious if it has the same longevity or better too. Maybe Iā€™ll cheat on this site and put in an order to test the effectiveness w/ LSā€¦ but this place has been so good to me it makes it hard haha. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/20 "2009-09-30T00:39:29Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > They already have that, Love Scent has gel packets and theyā€™re in this form. When you spread it on you though it blends in just like alcohol hand gel, so I think in a way it ends up being the same as spray form, unless you just glob it on and donā€™t rub it in. Yes Iā€™m already aware of gel-[pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) like i mentionedā€¦ To make it yourself, aloe vera gel + alcohol:3, subsitute the alcohol with alcohol with pheromones in it šŸ™‚. > [@](#): > > Wow, do they work any longer than the sprays do? shouldnt really. Itā€™s the same as those hand sanitizers, they pretty much evaporates to nothing within seconds just like a spray, leaving some oil /aloe vera behind.. edit: im also wondering if mixing pheromones with equal ammount of oil, and letting the alcohol evaporate at a cold temperature (cold enough to inhibit the pheromones from moving posibliy?) would leave a 100% oil based pheromoneā€¦ [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892.md?page=2)