# ICM ...1b oil mix... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 29, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892 "2009-09-29T22:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/81 "2009-11-04T01:26:08Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > I agree getting the amount down is difficult. I wonder if it is the P83 that causes the difficulty? Or just because its in an oil form? I actually have a dropper bottle I was going to try out to see if I had better application success. I emptied out one that I use for my perfumers alcohol to dilute strong pheromones. Then I got your message about dabbing it on, so I decided to try that. I will try the dropper then still if you get better results. > > I would like to get the A314 bottle tops as well. It really helps with consistent sized drops. I would assume you probably could purchase them as a special order. Have to ask Steve when I do next order. Once I started dabbing the roll on as opposed to trying to add 6" to my arm I found it worked out pretty well. I do think that using the A314 bottle would make it MUCH easier, however. My bottle is just about empty, maybe I’ll see if it will work once I get it cleaned out. My only concern with the A314 bottle is that the viscosity of the oil composite I have may be too light. I don’t want 6 drops of this stuff coming out onto my hand. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/82 "2009-11-04T01:34:40Z")
LOL I know that! 6 drops is OD land for sure! I think the viscosity is very close to A314 though. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > Once I started dabbing the roll on as opposed to trying to add 6" to my arm I found it worked out pretty well. I do think that using the A314 bottle would make it MUCH easier, however. My bottle is just about empty, maybe I’ll see if it will work once I get it cleaned out. My only concern with the A314 bottle is that the viscosity of the oil composite I have may be too light. I don’t want 6 drops of this stuff coming out onto my hand. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/83 "2009-11-04T01:38:31Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > LOL I know that! 6 drops is OD land for sure! I think the viscosity is very close to A314 though. I was thinking that it was pretty close; good to hear a 2nd opinion, however. I’m really glad that someone else has had good experiences with this one. Next batch I make will have about half the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) in it but I’m going to keep everything else the same. I think that’ll tame this quite a bit and make it more user friendly. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/84 "2009-11-04T01:49:48Z")
I think your experiment went very very well! 🙂 Especially because you were flying by the seat of your pants! I am not sure about the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) amount, as I have not done a whole lot of testing to find my sweet spot, however I am sure Steve had his reasons for going with the amount he went with. I might try my spray mix with some extra P83 just to see what happens. When you use the spray form, do you get the same effects? > [@Snoopyace](#): > > I was thinking that it was pretty close; good to hear a 2nd opinion, however. I’m really glad that someone else has had good experiences with this one. Next batch I make will have about half the P83 in it but I’m going to keep everything else the same. I think that’ll tame this quite a bit and make it more user friendly. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/85 "2009-11-04T01:53:23Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > I think your experiment went very very well! 🙂 Especially because you were flying by the seat of your pants! I am not sure about the P83 amount, as I have not done a whole lot of testing to find my sweet spot, however I am sure Steve had his reasons for going with the amount he went with. I might try my spray mix with some extra P83 just to see what happens. When you use the spray form, do you get the same effects? Yup, I get the same effects from the spray at about 3 sprays that I get from this at about 2-3 drops. The difference is that this hangs around A LOT longer for me than the sprays do. It also works great in places where I sweat off the alcohol mix within an hour and a half or so. For example, at a party where it gets really warm in the room (haven’t tried this at a bar yet but I’ll bet it’d work GREAT). ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/86 "2009-11-04T02:06:55Z")
I was just curious, if it was the p83 that caused the effects, or it being in an oil mix. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > Yup, I get the same effects from the spray at about 3 sprays that I get from this at about 2-3 drops. The difference is that this hangs around A LOT longer for me than the sprays do. It also works great in places where I sweat off the alcohol mix within an hour and a half or so. For example, at a party where it gets really warm in the room (haven’t tried this at a bar yet but I’ll bet it’d work GREAT). ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/87 "2009-11-04T02:10:17Z")
Ya know it’s a shame they don’t have P86, I think P86 could definitely add to this mix since I’ve heard it pairs well with P83 see here: .[P86/P83 = Touch me and Touch me now](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-p83-touch-me-and-touch-me-now/5383) Also, it seems that the absensce of andrestenone actually makes this mix much better from what I’m reading. This mix could be poster child for how to succesfully create a sex vibe/flirty vibe without andrestenone. Of course I’m talking about this–\>[Petition for an Ammo version with P83 instead of -none](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823) P83 to me seems like a great andrestenone replacement/ aid. When I’ve combined it with A314 (I use MX116 which is EXCELLENT) I can produce flirty vibes, dirty talk, and if steered correctly, even sex. More evidence of this is here–\>[P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-p83-with-bright-shiny-mones-in-the-background/1176/1) I’m also curious how P83 adds with [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and then adds with A314. Seems like an interesting combo…hmmm 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/88 "2009-11-04T02:20:27Z")
I agree on the P86. I mentioned it before in this thread somewhere. I belive it is in PS mixes. Especially prevalent in mx331. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/89 "2009-11-04T02:24:07Z")
Also I may be wrong, but I belive one of the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) test packs had a P83 version. Must not have been that great… I will look into it though. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/90 "2009-11-04T02:28:39Z")
From experience, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and P75 do play well together but they need something like TAA or one of the ~nols to keep the combo from getting too serious (at least for me.) Don’t know how they pair with A314, however. Oh yeah, P86 would be very nice, indeed! I really like this mix precisely because it lacks androstenone. As Andrew88777 found out in his report, it is very social but **can** be steered in a sexual direction (from my own personal experiences). This stuff can still hit like a freight train even without the ~none. I can’t wait to see what the ICM …1a in oil does! 😃 Thanks again Steve for releasing these mixes to the forum. I really, really like this in the alcohol version but I LOVE it in the oil! ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/91 "2009-11-04T02:31:49Z")
Agreed! Thank you Steve, and to you as well Snoopyace! > [@Snoopyace](#): > > From experience, P83 and P75 do play well together but they need something like TAA or one of the ~nols to keep the combo from getting too serious (at least for me.) Don’t know how they pair with A314, however. Oh yeah, P86 would be very nice, indeed! > > I really like this mix precisely because it lacks androstenone. As Andrew88777 found out in his report, it is very social but **can** be steered in a sexual direction (from my own personal experiences). This stuff can still hit like a freight train even without the ~none. I can’t wait to see what the ICM …1a in oil does! 😃 > > Thanks again Steve for releasing these mixes to the forum. I really, really like this in the alcohol version but I LOVE it in the oil! ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/92 "2009-11-04T02:32:48Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > From experience, P83 and P75 do play well together but they need something like TAA or one of the ~nols to keep the combo from **getting too serious** (at least for me.) Don’t know how they pair with A314, however. Oh yeah, P86 would be very nice, indeed! > > I really like this mix precisely because it lacks androstenone. As Andrew88777 found out in his report, it is very social but **can** be steered in a sexual direction (from my own personal experiences). This stuff can still hit like a freight train even without the ~none. I can’t wait to see what the ICM …1a in oil does! 😃 > > Thanks again Steve for releasing these mixes to the forum. I really, really like this in the alcohol version but I LOVE it in the oil! Can you tell me more about the part in bold Snoop? By serious do you mean producing negative vibes because I used MX302+A314+MX116 and a girl got super bitchy and I definitely ghosted just a tad. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/93 "2009-11-04T02:37:19Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Can you tell me more about the part in bold Snoop? By serious do you mean producing negative vibes because I used MX302+A314+MX116 and a girl got super bitchy and I definitely ghosted just a tad. When I had on just P83 and P75 I felt sooooo serious! I am not a serious guy so I didn’t like it and when I was around people I got the sense of attraction but also a feeling that women were a bit intimidated. (2.5mcg P75, 50mcg P83) but when I added 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) it was amazing the transformation. LOTS of stares (not eye contact, **STARES** -blink already!😮) and hair flipping, etc. When I’d approach they would showing typical indicators of interest. When I tried the same combo with Alpha-Androstenol it worked even better for me. It was actually pretty nice. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/94 "2009-11-04T02:38:31Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > When I had on just P83 and P75 I felt sooooo serious! I am not a serious guy so I didn’t like it and when I was around people I got the sense of attraction but also a feeling that women were a bit intimidated. (2.5mcg P75, 50mcg P83) but when I added 2 sprays of Instant Shine it was amazing the transformation. LOTS of stares (not eye contact, **STARES** -blink already!😮) and hair flipping, etc. When I’d approach they would showing typical indicators of interest. When I tried the same combo with Alpha-Androstenol it worked even better for me. It was actually pretty nice. As I’ve posted before, I tend to favor simple mixes and this one is simple but effective. IG and P75 with [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) also falls into that category for me. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/95 "2009-11-04T02:49:49Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > As I’ve posted before, I tend to favor simple mixes and this one is simple but effective. IG and P75 with P93 also falls into that category for me. Just did a quick search, and it seems that [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) could be andrestOnone, not to be confused with andrestEnone which is in TUTH. If so, I wonder why it’s not being put into more products? Also, that IG+p75+p93 combo looks tempting, gotta write that on the to-do list.😛 ---
**Author:** ![danny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@danny\_m](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/danny_m)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/96 "2009-11-04T03:07:01Z")
K-Train, you have a typo there. I think you mean Androstanone. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/97 "2009-11-04T03:12:58Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Just did a quick search, and it seems that P75 could be andrestOnone, not to be confused with andrestEnone which is in TUTH. If so, I wonder why it’s not being put into more products? > > Also, that IG+p75+p93 combo looks tempting, gotta write that on the to-do list.😛 Yeah, I think he meant androstanone = [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/). I have a feeling that the reason its not in more products (that we know of) is that it is still being tested. Not to mention the fact that it is more difficult to dose without overdosing. When it works though, it works well. 🙂 I have a mutant ICM mix with P75 that I really like. If I didn’t have so much tied up in trying the oil based mixes, I’d have made another P75 batch using P75 in a 1 for 1 swap with androstenone. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/98 "2009-11-04T03:54:44Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Yeah, I think he meant androstanone = P75. I have a feeling that the reason its not in more products (that we know of) is that it is still being tested. Not to mention the fact that it is more difficult to dose without overdosing. When it works though, it works well. 🙂 I have a mutant ICM mix with P75 that I really like. If I didn’t have so much tied up in trying the oil based mixes, I’d have made another P75 batch using P75 in a 1 for 1 swap with androstenone. Yeah, definite typo, thanks for pointing that out guys.😉 Ahem, but yes, from what I’ve discerened [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) would have to be used in VERY VERY LOOOOOOOOOW dosages (0.5mcgs per spray) in order to be effective in a spray/oil. But is P75 an andrestenone replacement or a buffer or is it an amplifier? I remember Gegogi saying he combined it with NPA/The Edge once…better ask him.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/99 "2009-11-04T03:57:15Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Yeah, definite typo, thanks for pointing that out guys.😉 > > Ahem, but yes, from what I’ve discerened P75 would have to be used in VERY VERY LOOOOOOOOOW dosages (0.5mcgs per spray) in order to be effective in a spray/oil. But is P75 an andrestenone replacement or a buffer or is it an amplifier? I remember Gegogi saying he combined it with NPA/The Edge once…better ask him.😃 At least in my experience, [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is very ~none like. Try substituting TUTH for P75 and pair it with Meo-Est and TAC (or P83) and you’ll see what I mean. Don’t wear P75 if you don’t want attention. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892/100 "2009-11-04T04:03:33Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > At least in my experience, P75 is very ~none like. Try substituting TUTH for P75 and pair it with Meo-Est and TAC (or P83) and you’ll see what I mean. **Don’t wear P75 if you don’t want attention**. As long as its from women, and it ain’t negative then I’m all for it!😃 Speaking of TAC…how much TAC is needed to buffer TUTH/[P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/)? I’m thinking about trying it in class (risky yes, but I live on the edge)🆒. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-1b-oil-mix/32892.md?page=6)