# ICM: Driven 2 Love additions soon to come! **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [May 28, 2008, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180 "2008-05-28T02:17:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/21 "2008-05-29T03:31:57Z")
> [@data4](#): > > So… uh… I hate to sound like a cheapskate, but what sort of price range are you looking at, Steve? Gotta do a little penny pinching until my worker’s comp and short-term disability checks come in from this surgery business. > > -D4 I’m currently working this out about pricing. Whatever the price point will be I can assure you it will have much more pheromone mcg content than anything else. The newest version with the secret new “stuff” in it brings up the mcg to 40 per spray. That’s a lot of content per one bottle and as such it costs me a lot to make. My new version for 0.50.1A The social P83 Mix will have 47mcg per spray. 😮 Ammo, one of my favorite products, has 7.5 mcg per spray and 3 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). > [@marsgate](#): > > Would someone please define ICM? Also… I second data’s penny pinching concern! ICM realy doesn’t stand for anything to anybody except me. Other than a lettering system I use they are simply letters to help differentiate mixes. My newest mix is called FPPX. I wont be releasing the MXs with the AlphaNol in it though right away. I figure I would release the three with the biggest punch. I know there were four original mixes, but after listening to feedback and tweaking I have some real changes for the better. OK enough for right now, there is too much work still to be done and as soon as I’m set I’ll let you know. I’m thinking maybe a limited test run to start to see if there is any real interest in the product. Who knows as I’m still working out stuff ---
**Author:** ![akamahyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/97f17d/32.png) [@akamahyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/akamahyar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/22 "2008-05-29T03:42:08Z")
so when do we expect it ? ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/23 "2008-05-29T03:46:21Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > I’m currently working this out about pricing. Whatever the price point will be I can assure you it will have much more pheromone mcg content than anything else. The newest version with the secret new “stuff” in it brings up the mcg to 40 per spray. That’s a lot of content per one bottle and as such it costs me a lot to make. > > My new version for 0.50.1A The social P83 Mix will have 47mcg per spray. 😮 > > Ammo, one of my favorite products, has 7.5 mcg per spray and 3 pheromones. > > ICM realy doesn’t stand for anything to anybody except me. Other than a lettering system I use they are simply letters to help differentiate mixes. My newest mix is called FPPX. > > I wont be releasing the MXs with the AlphaNol in it though right away. I figure I would release the three with the biggest punch. I know there were four original mixes, but after listening to feedback and tweaking I have some real changes for the better. > > OK enough for right now, there is too much work still to be done and as soon as I’m set I’ll let you know. I’m thinking maybe a limited test run to start to see if there is any real interest in the product. Who knows as I’m still working out stuff Made me proud you have, my Padawan! A great master, you will become! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/24 "2008-05-29T03:58:41Z")
Well, I’ll be ONE that wants to test out **ICM 0.25.1a’s** clone fer true. 😛 With hopes that there will be directions to which one is it’s clone. 🙄 Jedi Master Joker, when are you going to mix up a nice brew of venon fer sale? ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/25 "2008-05-29T04:27:40Z")
Just one question though.. Besides adding the new ingredients, have you changed the ratio’s for the old recipes? I’m just particularly more-so concerned about the amount of 'none in .1a and .05b.. since the content per spray was a little high for people on the younger side/or more sensitive to it. But testing it out, it wasn’t really a problem as it seemed well buffered and complemented by the other ingredients. Is this the same case with the revised editions of your mix? > [@SteveO](#): > > The newest version with the secret new “stuff” in it brings up the mcg to 40 per spray. > My new version for 0.50.1A The social P83 Mix will have 47mcg per spray. 😮 Wow. That really _is_ saturated like crazy. =) I’m really tempted to say, that no price would be high enough for what seems like an amazing upgrade to an already good mix. But scientifically it’s biased and unfair to both SteveO and the product itself. So I hope you’ll all join me in deleting any pre-conceived notions that may elicit placebo-like effects so we may _all_ experiment with care, curiosity, and nothing outside of proper judgment. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/26 "2008-05-29T05:02:56Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > I’m currently working this out about pricing. Whatever the price point will be I can assure you it will have much more pheromone mcg content than anything else. The newest version with the secret new “stuff” in it brings up the mcg to 40 per spray. That’s a lot of content per one bottle and as such it costs me a lot to make. > > OK enough for right now, there is too much work still to be done and as soon as I’m set I’ll let you know. I’m thinking maybe a limited test run to start to see if there is any real interest in the product. Who knows as I’m still working out stuff I’ll vouch for that. I have been beating SteveO over the head repeatedly about diluting the mixes by at least 50%, effectively cutting the Androstenone content in the ICM 0.25.1a mix from 5 mcg’s per spray down to 2.5 mcg’s. The mix is extremely well balanced, but I’ve been trying to argue that he doesn’t need to give TOO MUCH bang for the buck. The newest ICM 0.25.1b mix is at a total phero content of 47 mcg’s per spray, which again I think could easily be cut in half. He’s pretty much dead set on offering products with 2, 3 or even more times the phero content of virtually any other product out there, at prices that are nearly equal to or less. And, it’s gonna happen pretty quickly! ---
**Author:** ![marsgate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marsgate/32/168_2.png) [@marsgate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marsgate)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/27 "2008-05-29T05:07:02Z")
Really looking forward to this release. I’m hoping it encourages ATTRACTION, not just lust. I also beg SteveO to release a product that people in their mid-twenties can use without fear of ODing on -none. EDIT: 5mcg of -none actually isn’t bad at all! I wonder what the other 27mcg are… ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/28 "2008-05-29T05:14:28Z")
> [@marsgate](#): > > I also beg SteveO to release a product that people in their mid-twenties can use without fear of ODing on -none. My point for cutting the mix levels in half! But to be honest, it’s already extremely well balanced and you’re not likely to OD. But, my argument stands, that the mix doesn’t need to contain 5 mcg’s of None and 27 total mcg’s of phero content per spray. It would be better to cut it in half, be able to make a little profit, and give people a mix that EVERYONE can effectively use. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/29 "2008-05-29T05:41:17Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > My point for cutting the mix levels in half! But to be honest, it’s already extremely well balanced and you’re not likely to OD. > > But, my argument stands, that the mix doesn’t need to contain 5 mcg’s of None and 27 total mcg’s of phero content per spray. It would be better to cut it in half, be able to make a little profit, and give people a mix that EVERYONE can effectively use. Point well taken guys, but when I designed the mix and after months of testing before I even posted about it here, I put much thought into it. The mix works with certain molecules that not only binds them together via a synergistic molecular structure but also takes away the aggression of the -none while still giving it that kick. So ultimately what you have is a high none concentrated mix without the OD factor. Like I said I’m not even there yet. There is so much to figure out and I still have my work here that I have to get done. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/30 "2008-05-29T05:43:26Z")
> [@Dancing\_Joker](#): > > Made me proud you have, my Padawan! A great master, you will become! 😃 Couldn’t have done it without you my friend. ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/31 "2008-05-29T14:05:58Z")
Wow nice Collaboration…Looking forward to this one! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/32 "2008-05-29T14:53:23Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > My point for cutting the mix levels in half! But to be honest, it’s already extremely well balanced and you’re not likely to OD. > > But, my argument stands, that the mix doesn’t need to contain 5 mcg’s of None and 27 total mcg’s of phero content per spray. It would be better to cut it in half, be able to make a little profit, and give people a mix that EVERYONE can effectively use. Maybe it’s my brain, but I’ve been cheating … trying to become something that I’m definitely not good at … mixing products. I’ve been hitting myself with an extra spray of TUTH (2 sprays) or two dabs of TE on the neck’s pulse points and covering it with .1a along with sprays of .1a to the wrist and chest (4 sprays total), and I “THINK” I see a big difference in a good way. ☹ And this is not in a club environment either. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/33 "2008-05-29T18:20:48Z")
this sounds exciting! cannot wait! ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/34 "2008-05-29T19:24:06Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > I’ve been hitting myself with an extra spray of Turn Up The Heat (2 sprays) or two dabs of The Edge on the neck’s pulse points and covering it with .1a along with sprays of .1a to the wrist and chest (4 sprays total), and I “THINK” I see a big difference in a good way. ☹ And this is not in a club environment either. I’ve been playing with the 1a mix too. Lately I’ve been using a drop or 2 of [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) as well as cops with the mix. And way back when I first started using it I tried adding Androsterone, thinking that it could add a certain presence to the mix, but that one didn’t pan out. Think I’m next gonna try wearing the 1b (P83) mix and adding some EST, to see where that takes it. ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/35 "2008-05-29T19:45:18Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Think I’m next gonna try wearing the 1b (P83) mix and adding some EST, to see where that takes it. Do you usually add andosterone to your EST mixes? You stated that the andosterone addition in .1a didn’t really pan out, maybe it was missing some EST! ; P ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/36 "2008-05-29T19:46:16Z")
Wow, that’s a lot of pheromones! So, I take it that this will be a completely standalone and complete product, not meant for inclusion in a combo? -D4 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/37 "2008-05-29T19:59:04Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I’ve been playing with the 1a mix too. Lately I’ve been using a drop or 2 of Raw Power as well as cops with the mix. And way back when I first started using it I tried adding Androsterone, thinking that it could add a certain presence to the mix, but that one didn’t pan out. > > Think I’m next gonna try wearing the 1b (P83) mix and adding some EST, to see where that takes it. I think 1a will only accept -none with it. We’ll see if the two that Steveo snuck in there proves me wrong. :o I stop wearing it because it’s used only for special occassions since I know how to wear it. 😃 What were your findings with [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), MarkD? That didn’t cross my mind, and that’s why I like forums … love testing others ideas! It tickles me that Steveo is wondering about making sales with this … but then again, I think he’s just teasing himself. 🙄 I’ve been playing with mones foreva, and this is the third consistant mix I’ve found for ME, with the other two coming from the other side of town. 😉 I’m lovin’ it! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/38 "2008-05-29T20:11:26Z")
> [@tmoz](#): > > Do you usually add andosterone to your EST mixes? You stated that the andosterone addition in .1a didn’t really pan out, maybe it was missing some EST! ; P I just got my EST on Tuesday and haven’t had a chance to test with it yet. > [@M\_M](#): > > I think 1a will only accept -none with it. We’ll see if the two that Steveo snuck in there proves me wrong. :o I stop wearing it because it’s used only for special occassions since I know how to wear it. 😃 > > What were your findings with Raw Power, MarkD? That didn’t cross my mind, and that’s why I like forums … love testing others ideas! I have been using the additional 2 molecules in the 1.a mix for several weeks now, and I can vouch for it building upon and improving the mix. I LOVE [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)! Wear a drop or 2 with the 1.a mix and you get the same initial impact, but then it creeps up and builds upon the mixes effect over 5 to 10 minutes of exposure time. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/39 "2008-05-29T20:17:32Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I have been using the additional 2 molecules in the 1.a mix for several weeks now, and I can vouch for it building upon and improving the mix. The proof is always in the puddin … we shall see … I hope! 😉 > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I LOVE Raw Power! Wear a drop or 2 with the 1.a mix and you get the same initial impact, but then it creeps up and builds upon the mixes effect over 5 to 10 minutes of exposure time. Alrighty then! Guess I’m going to have to take those two drops of RP with 1a for a spin. 😉 Where do you normally place your two drops, MiD? Thanks fer the new idea! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/icm-driven-2-love-additions-soon-to-come/13180/40 "2008-05-29T20:19:24Z")
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