# If it helps you too, great... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [February 26, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451 "2008-02-26T05:58:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/101 "2008-05-24T20:29:41Z")
I don’t know what strength the scent in mx200 is supposed to be, but it is definitely a fragranced mix, and wearing a cologne might clash scent wise. Or, it’ll just poke through now and then, or maybe it’ll be completely covered. Just be aware that the scents might not mix the way you were expecting. 😛 I don’t mind the smell, if I wanna smell a little more ‘manly’ I can always just spray a touch of p79 or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). Also, in my experience with mx200 yesterday, there is definitely a significant presence of a-nol and TAA, as it seemed to be a very ‘feel good’ mix. Put others around me in a good mood, more relaxed. People seemed to accept me into conversations. Guys were friendly and talkative. As for the girls’ reactions, also generally upbeat and happy, but they usually are anyways. I wouldn’t really say mx200 was any more effective than a good combo of -nols and IS. Further testing will see if that holds. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![omphalos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/49beb7/32.png) [@omphalos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/omphalos)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/102 "2008-05-24T20:40:54Z")
Yeah, when I say “cover” I mean putting on some neroli via Instant Shine or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). I don’t wear colognes, not even scented aftershaves. ITA about -Anole, like I said in my journal, I’m pretty sure I felt it. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/103 "2008-05-25T06:19:26Z")
I tried a little TAK today. Around 10-20 mcgs. First sprays out the nozzle were weird, hence the unknown dosage. It had been sitting in my collection for a while, neglected while I was getting acquainted with IG, p74, and p93. Now that I’ve tried TAK, I can understand mx203 much better now. Or at least, I think so. It at least explains why I didn’t get mx203 as much before. I don’t really like too much a-nols in my mixes because just prefer the b-nol type convos, but I might need to get a bottle of IO if I plan on using TAK more often because I don’t want to talk at all. The feeling is very fluid. I feel a bit like I merge in with my surroundings, not quite being one with it, but rather becoming attached - separate entities, but able to connect if that makes sense. Think like how two pools of water merge together on a paper towel. Watching the paper stick to whatever surface its on (glass tables are particularly good for visualizing what I mean). Like watching a wave from top down. Two waves melting into each other. That’s my impression of TAK. I would imagine that in conjunction with IH, I could get very lost in my thoughts. I wonder if the TAK had anything to do with my nap this evening after eating. Tacitus and PheroQuirk, I think, mentioned that they sometimes use it in a similar way to a sleep-aid. I’ll need to see what levels TAK can be used at, but my initial impression is that it’ll take a lot of balance buffering TAK to get it to work in a lively mix for me. TAK seems to shut me down considerably. But of course these are just initial thoughts. Tomorrow may prove different. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/104 "2008-05-25T07:55:58Z")
Good report on MX200,Instant Gentlemen,[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/),MX209 & lastly TAK 🙂 Expect reps coming to you for this 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/105 "2008-05-27T03:45:54Z")
Soooo..the best way I can describe TAK is post-sex relaxation. Not like wild party, hook up with college cutie, pass out right after sex, wake up next morning somewhat refreshed relaxation. More like, had a great lunch after a morning hike, followed by ‘dessert’ 😃, and _then_ relaxing in the sunlight tanning or whatever, just chillin out, all topped off with an ice cool Corona. That’s TAK for me. I swear it puts people to sleep. It’s not like a knockout [pheromone](https://a314.com/) or anything, but if you’re already set to sleep (after a big meal, some drinks or blunts/bowls, medication, etc…) then it can push you over into la-la land.. This was in a combo of 40mcg of TAK and 10mcg of p79. The TAK was smooth and easy, the p79 perks it up and keeps it from getting too lethargic. Easy interactions, no real awkward phases, everyone kinda goes with the flow. After about 3 hours, napping and driving to my friend’s place, I layered an unknown number of ‘mists’ (I was low so I couldn’t get full sprays) of IH, and 2 sprays of IS. Male interaction was very friendly, but they’re close friends so it nothing unusual, they are usually this way around IH and IS. At this point, I don’t know if the TAK is still there, or not. The p79 probably was as it seems to be a sticky one. My friend’s gf was showing lots of IOIs throughout the day. I think it was probably just the combo of IS and IH, perhaps the touch of p79. I wouldn’t attribute too much other than sleeping to TAK 🙂. A quick run down of IOIs would be hair playing, lots of interest in conversation, crossing her legs in my direction while tapping her foot quickly in the air, bumping my legs with her legs, and I thought it was a little strange when I offered my hand to say bye, she took it, shook it, then reached out for a hug awkwardly (I was standing she was sitting down and it was strange just because it was my 2nd time seeing her, but whatever, I’m not reading into the hug much, it was just another amusing awkward moment.) Hmm..not much else to say. TAK is strange though, I will say that. I might be useful for dampening those really ‘edgy’ mixes so that its ‘edgy’ enough to be enticing, but not so much that it drives people away. Just make sure to take plenty of naps. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/106 "2008-05-27T08:27:14Z")
Another good report from you buddy 🙂 Nice one 😃 Too bad it’s your friend GF if not i think you will make a move to her after all the indicators she left for you. Reps for your report buddy 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/107 "2008-05-27T15:07:35Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > Now that I’ve tried TAK, I can understand mx203 much better now. Or at least, I think so. It at least explains why I didn’t get mx203 as much before. > > I don’t really like too much a-nols in my mixes because just prefer the b-Androstenol type convos, but I might need to get a bottle of Instant Openness if I plan on using TAK more often because I don’t want to talk at all. The feeling is very fluid. I feel a bit like I merge in with my surroundings, not quite being one with it, but rather becoming attached - separate entities, but able to connect if that makes sense. > > TAK seems to shut me down considerably. But of course these are just initial thoughts. Tomorrow may prove different. Spot on. Exactly like the feeling I got when wearing [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) with P79. After putting IO over the top of this combo I felt more “normalised” again. ---
**Author:** ![omphalos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/49beb7/32.png) [@omphalos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/omphalos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/108 "2008-05-27T15:28:41Z")
That’s an intriguing writeup Phya, and something to look forward to experimenting with. Now, if they would only lower those prices for us noobs… It does make sense though, if only to discourage sloppy usage. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/109 "2008-05-28T18:22:29Z")
Alrighty, so I think mx200 has some p93 in it. Or maybe a touch of -rone, but it really doesn’t feel like it. So far, I’d say 3 of the 14 ingredients in mx200 are a-nol, taa, and p93, which is not unlike mx203, but who knows what the other 11 ingredients are? I seemed to get a lot of ‘respect’ yesterday with 3 sprays of mx200 on. I was told that I have a good head on my shoulders and both my current boss, and co-worker (who has a side business) told me yesterday that when I graduated from school, I would have a job waiting if I wanted. Again, good, easy male bonding. I’m gonna need to save some of this mx200 and try it in a more casual setting. That being said, it’s not bad for work, but it wouldn’t be my first choice either. ---
**Author:** ![omphalos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/49beb7/32.png) [@omphalos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/omphalos)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/110 "2008-05-28T18:42:34Z")
Good and useful idea to use it in a non-casual setting, for comparison purposes. Are your boss and co-worker Asian? ITA about the presence of a-nols and possibly ishine, but I’m not familiar with p93. I do hope Androtics will give us some hints as to the rest of the components sometime soon. I should update my journal because a had but I’m a bit too busy with work ATM. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/111 "2008-05-28T19:32:17Z")
Omphalos, almost all Korean, a couple Chinese employees. My boss is Korean and that particular co-worker is Caucasian..Irish I think? Also, a lot of the good male bonding seems to be particular with caucasians. Maybe p93 really does have some sort of ‘racial’ preference. I don’t know, I think I’m jumping the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/112 "2008-06-02T23:19:20Z")
Wow, it’s been a couple days. Lots of stuff has been going on and I haven’t had much stuff happening interesting enough to post. Got a really strong room full of hits with mx209, p74, and TAF. It was my last day at work and I wanted to leave it on a really upbeat, fun note. I didn’t intend to but the p74 also had a ‘bonding’ effect I think and there was a lot of jokes about making me stay and giving me the position of company psychologist. 🙂 The CEO told me that they really wanted me to stay, kinda joked around about offering me shares and raises. They knew I wasn’t going to stay and that the time I was going to gain by quitting was more important at this point. But what I really wanted to post was more developments for TAK. TAK really seems to calm people down, sort of slows them down, so to speak. My friend has a lot of anxiety related to how he appears to his close friends. He doesn’t want to offend me or violate any of my personal rules at all. This is with or without pheromones. Anyways, I’m telling him that it’s no big deal and all that. He keeps saying sorry, I’m just trying to not offend you, cause you’re my close friend, you’re my brother (Korean thing.) etc… I couldn’t take it anymore. So I decided to see if TAK just shuts _me_ up, or if it shuts people up altogether. He sprayed 30 mcgs of TAK. Part of the decline in talkativeness was due to the fact that I introduced a completely new, engaging topic (here spray this mystery spray on yourself 😃), but after a couple minutes the anxiety was definitely gone, and in fact hadn’t even thought about it all day. That sort of leads me to believe that TAK causes a sort of ‘acceptance of circumstances’. Basically ‘I’m content with how things are, however they are.’ I’m not sure how this might translate with actual TAK use, but I imagine in smaller doses, it could be conducive to a ‘comfort’ effect. At this point, I would limit doses to around 5-10 mcg for use in mixes/combos as a supporting pheromone. We smoked a lot of weed afterward and this particular strain, IRRC, is known for inducing sleep, so I’m not sure how good of an indicator this is. So far, most of my experiences with TAK involve someone, including myself on many occasions, sleeping or feeling very sleepy. That being said, most of my experiences involve smoking weed…sooo it might be hard to separate where the ‘sleepy’ effects are coming from. For what it’s worth, I can usually differentiate between sleep induced from smoking too much, sleep induced from the strain, and other types of sleep inducing activities (physical exhaustion, lack of sleep, eating turkey) ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/113 "2008-06-03T00:35:36Z")
you should try DNP then. Durban Poison. That shit’ll knock you out. Interesting results on TAK though. If you get more consistent hits like that, I might just try it out for myself. Lol I can’t imagine being called “hyung” all the time. Do you call him “dongseng?” ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/114 "2008-06-03T18:20:36Z")
LOL. Zeph, you got a couple people in mind you wanna shut up? I’ve tried Durban before. That was a doozy. 😃 Actually, technically he’s my hyung, by a few months. But I guess since we’re the same age, same grade, etc..basically peers as far as Confucious is concerned, we could just call each other hyung, I guess. I dunno, I’m on the very fringes of Korean-American society. I sort of wish I had gone to church as a kid, only for the social aspect that is so integral for Korean culture. ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/115 "2008-06-04T04:17:22Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > LOL. Zeph, you got a couple people in mind you wanna shut up? Lol, mostly myself. Kinda interested in the “acceptance of circumstances” that you mentioned. > [@Phya](#): > > I sort of wish I had gone to church as a kid, only for the social aspect that is so integral for Korean culture. That’s the only reason why I know any Korean culture. Korean church. Well… that and a huge majority of my friends are korean. I’d say 90% of my friends are korean. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/116 "2008-06-04T04:23:22Z")
Soooooo..can there be a bit more of a gap between the first and second drops of A314? I didn’t intend on wearing two drops today, but I did. I was going out to check out some apartments. I was worried about being too ‘serious’ so I tossed on 3 sprays of mx209. Man, the guy that was helping me and showing me around couldn’t have been more nervous. I just stroll in, very casually, and let him know I’m looking for a one bedroom. He didn’t keep much eye contact and he kept apologizing and let me know that he’s new on the job. We’re talking and what not, find out that he’s a recent graduate of UCR so he’s at least a year or two older. Doesn’t seem like it though. Pretty much throughout the entire interaction he seemed submissive and compliant. Yea, I never figured I’d be writing those words in my journal. So he’s showing me around, he can’t find the apartment, he’s nervous as all hell now, gets to the apartment, but then can’t open the door. Geez, his brain must have been running at full speed. After a couple minutes he opens it up, apologizes yet again. While on the walk, he’s pulling out all the stops, pointing out every detail. Lawns are clean, you’re right by the swimming pool, laundry room is tenant accessible only, night patrols, etc..I chalk it up to him being new, but he certainly didn’t act so nervously around other people. Now, the more interesting hit. Young woman, I’d say around 26? 29? Looked very nice though came into the office, talked with the guy helping me, preened, and walked out. I didn’t think much of it. Untilll…we make our rounds and get back to the office. Lady is sitting at her desk, we have to pass it to go to the laundry room. Take a quick look, and get back to the office to discuss paperwork. I sit down and…_sniff_.._sniff_..that is some very sweet, yummy, girly perfume in the air. Enough of it to make it noticeable. After I came down from the yummy girly smell high, it clicked that maybe young woman might be interested. For the most part, her behavior would say so. Though, also that could just be the let’s do business behavior. Either way, they were fairly accommodating, offered me water/coffee early into the conversation, then offered it again when I came back later with my application and waiting a bit. Probably just a really nice office for once? Let’s hope so. Other wise I guess I’ve got a great tool to make it one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/117 "2008-06-04T04:27:40Z")
> [@zeph](#): > > Lol, mostly myself. Kinda interested in the “acceptance of circumstances” that you mentioned. Haha, well, I’m not sure what mcg/spray I’d recommend, but I have 10mcg/spray. I’ve tried from 20mcg to 60mcg. So far, I can’t really say that there’s to sharp of a difference. I haven’t tried small doses, or mega doses. > [@zeph](#): > > That’s the only reason why I know any Korean culture. Korean church. Well… that and a huge majority of my friends are korean. I’d say 90% of my friends are korean. Well..that’s a lot of reasons to know some Korean culture. And Korean church is like a microcosm of the Korean community - sorta..either way, a pretty good place to start with modern Korean culture. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/118 "2008-06-14T21:44:29Z")
My my, it’s been a while. I’ve mostly been playing with IS2.1 so I don’t have much to add in my personal journal, other than to say again that I should have gotten Christina’s number. Live and learn. > [@Instant Shine 4X v2.1 EXTENDO!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-4x-v2-1-extendo/13924): > > Not a problem at all Idle. wink Okay, so it is my expected duty to the Lords of Pheromones for their gifts and blessings. smiley So along with my recent order came a big blue bottle of Instant Shine 4X ‘Extendo’ v.2.1 A big ‘HUH?’ confused was on my face. What is this? I’ve had experience with Instant Shine 2X before and experience with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 4X, so IS 4X should be something to be careful with. smiley I don’t know if there are other IS v2.1s, I didn’t see any search results. … ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/119 "2008-06-21T05:38:24Z")
Another small report. My car’s been in the shop since tuesday so I’m bored to death in my apartment being slowly roasted alive. Better than being stark naked in Antartica I suppose. Anyways, I wanted to give TAC another try. Put on 40 mcgs and walked over to a local diner for their famous pastrami sandwiches. I walk in, and begin to order with the guy right in front of me, he passes me off to the usual waitress. I order my sandwich with just a little bit of mustard. The waitress kinda jokes ‘just a drop of mustard, huh?’ I reply ‘Yea, and could I get a medium Sprite?..Sierra Mist?..whatever it is you guys have…’ She cracks up, ‘Heh, just gimme some of that clear stuff!’ It was hilariously funny at the time. Really I have no idea why upon looking back at it. Still brings a smile to my face though. After eating my delicious witch of sand, I strolled over to 7-eleven to get some snacks and drinks. The cashier commented ‘Munchies, eh?’ Me, ‘Is it that obvious?’ Chuckles between the both of us, goodnights and I leave. I like TAC. It really does seem like an obvious candidate for combinations with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), but I’ve read reports that they clash. I guess I’ll just have to try it for myself. That being said, I’m really beginning to start to feel like IS2.1 has TAC in it. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/120 "2008-06-23T06:13:26Z")
Alrighty. I tried 1 drop of A314, 30 mcgs of TAC, and 2 sprays of IS2X. In that order. The results weren’t quiet like IS2.1 but similar enough that I really feel like IS2.1 has TAC in it. I would have tried just TAC and A314 alone, but we were going to a nicer, somewhat more upscale area and the girl that was picking my friend and I up is sort of a..well typical LA club girl, so to speak, she’s got more depth than that, but from what I’ve talked to her about..not tooo much more yet. Anyways, she’s got a very dominating personality. She likes to steal and keep the spotlight. I didn’t want her thinking she could step all over me so I added the A314 for that purpose, and was a bit firm with her to begin with. I was mostly just prompt and polite for most of the drive there, while I let my friend and the girl catch up (they are closer friends than her and I) the turning point came when we were buying tickets for a movie later that night, we’re walking out, and she says something in what she thought was under her breath. It wasn’t rude or anything, she just thought she had said it quietly. I surprise her by responding to what she said and she asks “You heard me say that?” and I respond, “Are you kidding? Like two miles away..” I got more attention and ‘verbal space’ so to speak after that. Other than that, there was just the usual lot of talking and what not. Lots of jokes, not as hilarious as with just the guys though or with IS2.1 for that matter, but I’m sure the A314 plays a part too. One thing actually that just crossed my mind was that my friend and the girl were sitting next to each other, and my friend was wearing Instant Honesty, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), and IS. Over the course of the dinner (wasn’t really a dinner, more just appetizer, dessert, drinks, lounge kinda thing) the girl leaned away from my friend hard, like 2-3 feet, but left her legs under the table, so she was almost leaning on the benchseat. Just one random memory, my two friends kinda bickered between themselves and my friend gets up to go the the bathroom. As he’s leaving I comment ‘Oh that’s cute, you guys are fighting.’ You’re the couple without the couple. (They aren’t dating, those there is a bit of unspoken sexual tension.) For some reason she thought that was the funniest thing. Apparently she’s the type to laugh hard randomly but whatever, we’ll need to take a closer look at TAC and IS2.1 anyways. Ugh..it is literally too hot in LA to do anything. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451.md?page=7)