# If -none is a Lion, P75 is a Rhino: a very masculine spray, best at 2.5 to 5 mcg **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144 "2013-02-12T10:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/1 "2013-02-12T10:10:29Z")
It’s a very masculine and ‘large’ spray. Not harmful and scary just big, like a Rhino. If -none is a Lion, [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is a Rhino. -None is aggressive right off the bat, while the Rhino (P75) true its dangerous and can kill you, is relatively tame and eats plants - it is it’s presence and size that commands respect. I agree that P75 is good at 2.5 - 5mcg. Anything more and you go from Rhino to Elephant, you just keep getting bigger and bigger with each spray. Again, you won’t get any negatives off it, like someone trying to fight you, but you don’t want to be the elephant in the room lol ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/2 "2013-02-12T10:22:27Z")
If you wear too much, or don’t effectively moderate it with nols, you will get negatives - like edgieness and people getting very uncomfortable round you. Even though I can tolerate a bit more at my age, I’d rarely go over 7.5 mcg in any mix, at least without massive social moderation and one time I tried around 30mcg unmoderated, I had great fun watching **everyone** in one place get very uncomfortable and move themselves as far away from me as possible! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/3 "2013-02-12T10:25:50Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you wear too much, or don’t effectively moderate it with nols, you will get negatives - like edgieness and people getting very uncomfortable round you. > > Even though I can tolerate a bit more at my age, I’d rarely go over 7.5 mcg in any mix, at least without massive social moderation and one time I tried around 30mcg unmoderated, I had great fun watching **everyone** in one place get very uncomfortable and move themselves as far away from me as possible! 😃 EXACTLY. it’s not negative in the sense that people want to kick your ass, you might get fired, people just sort of …well…move out the way. The more sprays, the more space you notice you take up. next thing you know you’ve got people edged up against the wall like you’er taking up the whole room. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/4 "2013-02-12T10:35:24Z")
Try combining an excessive dose of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) with IJ/A314 - Folk will assume that you are going to kick their asses - very seriously! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/5 "2013-02-12T10:40:50Z")
we’ll call the mix “Instant GTFO” lol ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Spiderman007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spiderman007)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/6 "2013-02-12T16:35:33Z")
I have a 12mcg that I’m afraid to use, I want to dilute it but I hate diluting. I still haven’t touched it at all. I read that I can spray 1xP75 and 5x perfume to bring it down to 5mcg. If not what do u guys suggest I use to moderate this. I have IH, IO and I guess IG and IS as socials. Need some help asap plus on diluting without a pipette, just seems like too much trouble. I’m 24, fit and black. Trying to hit the black girls lol where its sweet. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/7 "2013-02-12T16:45:09Z")
No. if you spray 12mcg, that’s what will be on your neck no matter what else you put on it. What you should do is empty out half, so if say you have an empty to go or 30ml (not sure what bottle you have it in), fill it half way with p75 and the rest with anol for example. that way it dilutes it to have of what it is. so 6 mcg p75. it will be half a bottle of mcg of whatever the mones were. 12 becomes 6, anol if it were 10 becomes 5. if need be, split that bottle in half again, and fill it with something else, diluting it to 3 mcg p75. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Spiderman007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spiderman007)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/8 "2013-02-12T17:20:58Z")
Thanks I will definitely try that out and let you know my results. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/9 "2013-02-12T17:33:53Z")
> [@Spiderman007](#): > > Thanks I will definitely try that out and let you know my results. Nice one. I was your age when I first found this site. I’m half african american, half norwegian, now living in asia. spent most of my life traveling. you’re probably lean like me, with strong facial features (jawline etc). the sprays that do me justice are [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I noticed in another thread you said you were cocky. Try this. Going out: Ammo + P79 + P74 + A1 (cohesion) Dates: Ammo + Bnol + A1 (I recommend Cohesion since they don’t sell A1 on this site) Work: A314 + P74 I’m set to try, on both occasions, replacing Ammo with 5 mcg P75. Not sure how it’s going to work since I’ve not tried it, but it’s what I plan on researching next. But as for what I know works for sure, the sprays above should work wonders. Have fun and report back! ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/10 "2013-02-12T17:38:47Z")
Out of curiousity I went out with p75 alone today and nothing else. I noticed more in the moment thinking despite being sick with a bad cough and cold and allergies.. I noticed others were more inviting to me provided I smiled first and young girls didn’t look a me but as soon as I said hello and pass them they’d look at me and smile. p75 got me lots of attention from my SO.. It was like her gaze was fixed on me the whole night. I don’t get this kind of attention from summer ammo p75. I find mones work best when I use them 2x week max. More and my body adapts and my neurotransmitters don’t recover. Finally I noticed with p75 I talked a lot and got lots of respect from men. I wore 2.5 mcg. Now my target girl who i’ll see in 2 weeks has been exposed to my summer ammo p75 combo for 3 weeks now (3 occasions).. I have made it clear to her I’m single. I am now going to switch signatures on her and constantly go in with p75 is ammo io ih an see where that leads. The trick is to use this p75 up to 3-5 hrs before you really need it.. it really does last long on the skin.. Its now 8:30 , 6 hrs after application and its going strong. I feel supremely confident. Then after 3-4 hrs add in the socials, ammo is ih io. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) is confidence in a bottle. I can’t wait to test out the reaction on my target on the next few visits with this new signature on.. I’m planning to make my move now. Note for best self effects use p75 by itself. Don’t combine with anything.. Go see people who you don’t care may be affected negatively (i.e. girls you’re not picking up). Let the self effects hit you.. they will stay.. And after you apply ammo and the socials they will just combine on top.. But if you apply everything at once you get a confused response from your brain as if your stoned out. The first time my target senses the new non summer p75 combo on me she’s going to be a little confused and have to adjust. I’ll be looking for signs of interest.. if I see her smiling excessively or hanging around me, boom i’m asking for a date.. I’m ready. Her response may be a no, i have a bf , can’t date customers.. i have a comeback line ready for each of those responses. Either case with p75 I AM NOT AFRAID .. NO MORE FEAR. This lack of fear is not my new mindset its the p75.. It causes fear to vanish. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Spiderman007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spiderman007)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/11 "2013-02-12T17:55:16Z")
Hey dsouza, would you recommend using [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) for work. I work in car sales. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/12 "2013-02-12T18:15:29Z")
> [@Spiderman007](#): > > Hey dsouza, would you recommend using P75 for work. I work in car sales. No I wouldn’t use it for work. It keeps guys at bay and sometimes hesitant and they may be your customers. Why not try A314 for work. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/13 "2013-02-13T01:29:21Z")
> [@Spiderman007](#): > > Hey dsouza, would you recommend using P75 for work. I work in car sales. A314 would be by far the best one but IG would be a reasonable alternative whilst A314 is off the menu - Also, IG plus a small amount of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) might be an interesting combo to explore in A314’s absence. It would certainly add a fair bit of substance to IG’s smart but sociable status vibe. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Spiderman007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spiderman007)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/14 "2013-02-13T04:31:41Z")
> [@examine](#): > > Nice one. I was your age when I first found this site. I’m half african american, half norwegian, now living in asia. spent most of my life traveling. > > you’re probably lean like me, with strong facial features (jawline etc). > > the sprays that do me justice are Ammo. I noticed in another thread you said you were cocky. Try this. > > Going out: Ammo + P79 + P74 + A1 (cohesion) > > Dates: Ammo + Bnol + A1 (I recommend Cohesion since they don’t sell A1 on this site) > > Work: A314 + P74 > > I’m set to try, on both occasions, replacing Ammo with 5 mcg P75. Not sure how it’s going to work since I’ve not tried it, but it’s what I plan on researching next. But as for what I know works for sure, the sprays above should work wonders. > > Have fun and report back! Thanks for the tips E. I wanted to ask with the mix you suggested, what mcgs of P79, p74 and A1 do you suggest and and at what ratios. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/15 "2013-02-13T06:13:43Z")
> [@Spiderman007](#): > > Thanks for the tips E. I wanted to ask with the mix you suggested, what mcgs of P79, p74 and A1 do you suggest and and at what ratios. this varies, and is a sweet spot you have to find on your own since everyones chemistry is different. Im not the type of guy that thinks giving an exact calculation of a combo will work for everyone. the most I do is tell folks 1:1:1 or 1:2:1 for example, so they know how to create the aura/make the color of the suit. but as far as the size of the suit it matters on the person and their physique. I use about 30 mcg each, so 1:1:1, however you might only need 10mcg of each, you get me? ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/16 "2013-02-13T08:05:16Z")
Wearing the Big ole Bad [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) 1 spray at 7.5mcgs out today for school and work. Will report back later! ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/17 "2013-02-14T11:40:36Z")
Well, I tried P75 for the first time today. For the last 2 weeks I have been wearing 2 sprays of Ammo x1 to each forearm, plus 4 sprays of Shine 1x to my neck, applied about an hour before going to work. (I’m 56) For the last 2 days I have added 2 sprays of Honesty to my throat. People at work seemed confused at the start, but after 3 - 4 days started to react very nicely, especially my target lady. Today, I added one spray of 5.0mcg P75, to the right side of my neck. Everyone at work seemed to act about the same, except my target lady, who works within a few feet of me all day. She was still very friendly, but didn’t touch me at all today, whereas she normally rests her hand on my shoulder, arm, or will stand next to me and shove me sideways with her body. There was definitely an element of space between us. I can only think the P75 was too intimidating for her. BUT, after work, about 8 - 9 hours after applying the mones, we went for a drink, and then she really opened up about her personal life, and got quite emotional. She was sitting to my left, the side I had applied the Honesty. I had applied the P75 to the right side of my neck. SO, surely all the mones would be gone after 8 hours? Would the Honesty still be effective? Or was it the fact that the P75 had worn off and allowed her to feel more comfortable? Tomorrow I’m going to dial it back to [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Shine, period! ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/18 "2013-02-14T12:39:06Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > Well, I tried P75 for the first time today. > > For the last 2 weeks I have been wearing 2 sprays of Ammo x1 to each forearm, plus 4 sprays of Shine 1x to my neck, applied about an hour before going to work. (I’m 56) > > For the last 2 days I have added 2 sprays of Honesty to my throat. People at work seemed confused at the start, but after 3 - 4 days started to react very nicely, especially my target lady. > > Today, I added one spray of 5.0mcg P75, to the right side of my neck. Everyone at work seemed to act about the same, except my target lady, who works within a few feet of me all day. She was still very friendly, but didn’t touch me at all today, whereas she normally rests her hand on my shoulder, arm, or will stand next to me and shove me sideways with her body. There was definitely an element of space between us. I can only think the P75 was too intimidating for her. > BUT, after work, about 8 - 9 hours after applying the mones, we went for a drink, and then she really opened up about her personal life, and got quite emotional. She was sitting to my left, the side I had applied the Honesty. I had applied the P75 to the right side of my neck. > SO, surely all the mones would be gone after 8 hours? Would the Honesty still be effective? Or was it the fact that the P75 had worn off and allowed her to feel more comfortable? > Tomorrow I’m going to dial it back to Summer Ammo and Shine, period! Cut the p75 down to 2.5 mcg and re test.. Also p75 isn’t friendly it powerful.. You need socials to balance it out.. Try a few shots of IO IH IS and see how that blends in with it on your target lady. I find the same thing with p75 when worn on its own. You’ve got to tame the signature . Also p75 causesmore attraction grabbing qualities like extended eye contact etc but you’ve got to initiate more. [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is very masculine and if you don’t initiate in a friendly way you may be seen as incongruent or like someone whose out of a womans league. Myself I like summer ammo p75 best but I find people here simply refuse to believe that it can be used for dates and 1-1 NIGHTS out when attraction is a must. This is the only reason I’m going to test out p75 with ammo and socials again. I really hope I’m doing the right thing. My target loves summer ammo p75 but its hard to tell if i’m seen as too beta with it on. I can’t tell if she’ll reject me if I approach as more than a friend with this combo on, or if I’ll need p75 ammo. What I’m going to do is test out p75 is ammo IH IO and see what her reaction is. If its favorable I’ll ask her out then and there and if its not favorable i’ll switch back to summer ammo p75 before asking her out. I need something that is going to kill not cause anxiety as I alreadyhave an anxiety condition. ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/19 "2013-02-14T13:39:56Z")
dsouza, I only have the one day’s experience, but the more I think about it, the more I realise that I had a sort of “bubble” around me today, a personal space about 3 feet in all directions. People were friendly and respectful, but also a little submissive. I was wearing I.S. and I.H. as well, and of course standard Ammo on my forearms. I’ve been getting a gradual positive reaction with standard Ammo and I.S.; my feeling is that P75 just creates too much space around me. If I want to create an “aura” in a group of people that don’t know me well, I’d consider P75. But, knowing my target lady for 4 years, and very closely for 4 months (friendzone danger), I feel P75 is too intimidating, in my position. I am already this lady’s supervisor, and quite a few years older. I think the respect is already there. What I need is something to increase intimacy and trust, which I think Ammo and I.S. were achieving. Adding I.H. to the mix was intended to get that emotional bond. After my near-OD experience with P75, I’m going to switch to [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) with some additional I.S., and 2 sprays of I.H. for a few days, before reverting to what seems to be my sweet spot; 3 sprays Ammo to arms plus 4 sprays I.S. to neck. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/20 "2013-02-14T13:50:15Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > dsouza, > > I only have the one day’s experience, but the more I think about it, the more I realise that I had a sort of “bubble” around me today, a personal space about 3 feet in all directions. People were friendly and respectful, but also a little submissive. I was wearing I.S. and I.H. as well, and of course standard Ammo on my forearms. > > I’ve been getting a gradual positive reaction with standard Ammo and I.S.; my feeling is that P75 just creates too much space around me. If I want to create an “aura” in a group of people that don’t know me well, I’d consider P75. > > But, knowing my target lady for 4 years, and very closely for 4 months (friendzone danger), I feel P75 is too intimidating, in my position. I am already this lady’s supervisor, and quite a few years older. I think the respect is already there. What I need is something to increase intimacy and trust, which I think Ammo and I.S. were achieving. Adding I.H. to the mix was intended to get that emotional bond. > > After my near-OD experience with P75, I’m going to switch to Summer Ammo with some additional I.S., and 2 sprays of I.H. for a few days, before reverting to what seems to be my sweet spot; 3 sprays Ammo to arms plus 4 sprays I.S. to neck. > > Good luck! 3 sprays each of IO and IH effectively buffer 2.5 mcg of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Higher 75 may need P74 or TAC; something that can buffer high androstenone can do so for 75. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144.md?page=2)