# If -none is a Lion, P75 is a Rhino: a very masculine spray, best at 2.5 to 5 mcg **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144 "2013-02-12T10:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/41 "2013-02-17T14:53:59Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > My tests suggest that at about 10 mcg. P130 acts as an intensifier, perhaps as a junior version of P79. It intensifies P75, as does TAA / IShine. These combined with P74 send a very distinct masculine tone that P74 and 75 don’t alone. I feel this is 130’s distinct role in Summer AMMO and with other combos. However, unless it becomes avail. in the store, I simply haven’t enough to test much further. Half the bottle wicked through the sprayer and out the cap during FedEx. KIMBA thought 130 was Alpha but not aggressive. It signaled youth. I think that seems right. It makes a nice fit with 75 and TAA in that respect. [Into the Lion's Den - #18 by KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/into-the-lions-den/56315/18) Do you think summer ammo p75 is too laid back to get out of LJBF land ? Anxiety levels are low with this mix. I don’t feel the shark like confidence of p75 that I feel with p75 on its own or with ammo is io ih.. WHY? And how do you get women to not be bitchy with the latter mix if its better for being seen as a man as opposed to a summer ammo p75 little boy? .. I try tons of IO IH and IS and they are still edgy with 2.5 mcg p75.. I’m over 40. What am I doing wrong? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/42 "2013-02-18T02:09:02Z")
I’m having problems with IS p75. I find i can wear p75 on its own fine without the bad effects of tuning out (its a little edgy but I can still think) , and later on apply socials. BUT if i try to apply shine and p75 simultaneously and nothing else I get messed up and can’t think properly.. Does anyone know what could be in shine that is causing this problem. If I apply it 2-3 hrs later with ammo IO IH things are ok. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 7:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/43 "2013-02-18T07:44:26Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > And how do you get women to not be bitchy with the latter mix if its better for being seen as a man as opposed to a summer ammo p75 little boy? .. I try tons of IO IH and IS and they are still edgy with 2.5 mcg p75.. I’m over 40. What am I doing wrong? Have you got any IG? ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/44 "2013-02-18T10:39:27Z")
> [@examine](#): > > see, that wasn’t so hard 🙂 > > good luck. report back. it wont FORCE her to like you (just like no amount of mones will make you like a girl you don’t find attractive), but it if she’s ‘thought’ about you in that way at all, it should help. Before work today, I was nervous about going with my P75/P130 mix spray alone . . . so I added a few others. I took 2 sprays of 75/130 to my left inner forearm, 2 sprays of Summer Ammo to my right inner forearm, and 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to my neck. Initial reactions seemed positive, a lot of banter, and quite a bit of touching (from her). While we were working together, she held her head very close to mine, so I could feel her hair on my head (she’s never done this before), and later tilting her head so that her hair ran along my arm. Also a first. I’ll see how it goes over the next few days, using exactly the same 'mones, and aim to ask her for a dinner date towards the end of the week. Then I’ll break out the TUTH ! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 12:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/45 "2013-02-19T12:41:20Z")
A quick update; the mix seems to be going well. The P75/P130 mix seems to be promoting more touching. But here’s something I’ve noticed; after about an hour, I can’t smell anything at all off my left arm (2 sprays of P75/P130 at 2.5mcg each mone per spray). In contrast, I can still smell the 2 sprays of Ammo Summer on my right arm 12 hours later. When the smell is gone, are the 'mones gone too? Or is that just the cover scent that’s worn off? I had believed that P75 was quite long-lasting? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/46 "2013-02-21T11:55:18Z")
Ok so I tried out IS AMMO p75 IO IH last monday and had good results again.. I planned it on a day after I lifted weights (not workout day) and also when I was relaxed. The results were outstanding.. One girl 19 phillopino was looking hot and I complimented her on her hair. She was the only waitress working in the joint. At first she seemed a little edgy and unsure of my intent (who is this guy? what is different about him today?). Then later she started approaching me and I started to open her.. talking about school , what she wants to study etc. She ended up giving me a free cup of coffee and also I was with my SO and my SO said that girl was checking you out (I purposely was ignoring her from time to time). At one point she came by 4 times (while I only ordered coffee and nothing more so why would she? Is this the HOVER EFFECT of p75 in action folks?) At one point during the conversation she said our machines are down but “your not in a rush are you, you can keep me company” I made a few jokes with her and found the self effects of p75 and especially the socials IO IH IS were making me VERy RELAXED and calm yet determined to work on my social skills with her. When I left I told her I’d see her in aweek and she bid me goodbye. Now this girl is not the one I’m chasing.. I have my target K in another venue.. But I thought I’d experiment with this mix on a non white young girl and it worked. i asked my SO who I’m “friends” with now what she thought about my behavior and this girls reaction. She said I was acting more confident and she also said this other girl would be sweet for you.. In my SO’s words she said “This girl is the type who’d were lingerie for you to bed”. hahah Imagine my SO saying another girl would do this to me. Wow what a great afternoon out with p75. Total investment on my part. $3 for a cup of coffee and a $2 tip since she threw in a free one for both SO and I. Which goes to show its the mones and personality doing the work not money. Anyone care to comment, leave constructive criticism etc ? I am looking for more analysis on this experience.. i will go out with this same combo on Monday and retest. P.S. its been 3 weeks with no ejaculation for me, and I am convinced abstaining from ejaculation and porn is increasing my social skills and decreasing my social anxiety. I am also convinced the mone combo I wore decreased my anxiety even more and put me in the moment. ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/47 "2013-02-26T09:56:30Z")
I would be cautious with [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). After trying it twice. I think it’s best if you spray it under the shirt. You might intimidate some people. Lol I would also use 3-4 sprays of IO to help. The second day I used p75 with no IO… Saw a big difference with how friendly people were. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 10:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/48 "2013-02-26T10:08:33Z")
What dose of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) are you using to need that? ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/49 "2013-02-26T11:56:34Z")
I am 25 using 2.5mcg. I would try it even at older ages since that dose is already strong for me. For older guys, it should be close to what you need. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 12:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/50 "2013-02-26T12:03:32Z")
> [@radioheadalways](#): > > I am 25 using 2.5mcg. I would try it even at older ages since that dose is already strong for me. For older guys, it should be close to what you need. But then again there’s me who gets lots of social hits from 5 mcg of it. Couldnt try 2.5 yet. See my report for details 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/51 "2013-02-26T13:43:06Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > But then again there’s me who gets lots of social hits from 5 mcg of it. Couldnt try 2.5 yet. See my report for details 🙂 Just saw your journal. I attend many Social Clubs that involve a lot of dancing. The vibe from p75 comes too strong for what I need it. I like it more friendly and carefree. I might try 5mcg under shirt and see what results I get. By the way, do you use the regular or light scent? ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 9:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/52 "2013-02-27T09:02:16Z")
Maybe I get more social friendly hits because I wear twice the dosage. It’s strange. It may not be carefree, it feels like a masculine vibe, but it seems to be amonst one of the strongest social making people act like my best friends and come closer to me. I’ll try 2.5 mcg, not very soon but soon, stay tuned 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 9:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/53 "2013-02-27T09:45:45Z")
> [@radioheadalways](#): > > By the way, do you use the regular or light scent? **Always** use the light/default scent when first testing putatives, or for largely secondary pheros - And ideally stick to [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) or Akuto if you must do something different. Anything else will make your finding an effective dose range far more difficult. Once you have your dose range, then its time to get into exploring the diffusion properties of different scents/strengths etc if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/54 "2013-03-01T19:16:27Z")
I learned this the hard way, when I purchased my [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) I got it in 7.5mcgs, it is hard to spray. ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/55 "2013-03-03T08:54:36Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Maybe I get more social friendly hits because I wear twice the dosage. It’s strange. It may not be carefree, it feels like a masculine vibe, but it seems to be amonst one of the strongest social making people act like my best friends and come closer to me. I’ll try 2.5 mcg, not very soon but soon, stay tuned 🙂 I think 5mcg might be killer. I used it Friday and girls were really close to me, or literally sat next to me and put their hand on my leg. Girls would walk by all the time. I used it with IO to make it more social. Going to keep testing it, and this is in a dance setting. I used again yesterday and it seemed to work good as well. The only issue is that some of the girls were drunk, while others were a little scared. One girls even told me, “You should consider yourself lucky, I don’t really dance slow songs. If you asked me before, I would of said no” I was like WTF? lol This time I dance way more and had a question for you guys… does the heat and sweat make it stronger where it will make p75 too strong? Also, should I mix with more IO and IG? Ive been thinking about adding Ammo instead of IG. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 9:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/56 "2013-03-03T09:03:02Z")
Not stronger but heat/sweat will increase diffusion greatly, leading to greater impact but shorter active life. So you might want to adjust your dose down a little in these situations. IO is a good one to moderate P75 but again, you might want to try a lower dose first with Ammo - Although it is balanced, Ammo does contain some Androstenone and that will compound the P75 somewhat - I usually find that a lower dose of P75 is better with any none in the mix but testing will see what suits you best. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/57 "2013-03-03T12:22:39Z")
[P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) IO is all you need with young girls in intial stages of attraction. For sexual advances you needed something stronger. I used to use p75 IO IH ammo and IS but find a simpler p75 IO works for me even better? WTF? I wonder why??? ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/58 "2013-03-03T12:27:45Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > P75 IO is all you need with young girls in intial stages of attraction. > > For sexual advances you needed something stronger. > > I used to use p75 IO IH ammo and IS but find a simpler p75 IO works for me even better? WTF? I wonder why??? Really diggin P75, but just need to assess my sweet spot. I think 2.5mcg is gonna be it, I sprayed it on the right side of my neck instead of hidden under my shirt. IO really did help get girls asking me questions and talking more. I am either going to toss some Ammo or IG into the mix. Most likely is gonna be Ammo to get more of a connection, even though girls are grabbing my waist like if they are the guy haha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/59 "2013-03-03T12:37:17Z")
> [@radioheadalways](#): > > Really diggin P75, but just need to assess my sweet spot. I think 2.5mcg is gonna be it, I sprayed it on the right side of my neck instead of hidden under my shirt. IO really did help get girls asking me questions and talking more. I am either going to toss some Ammo or IG into the mix. Most likely is gonna be Ammo to get more of a connection, even though girls are grabbing my waist like if they are the guy haha Do you find there’s any point to wearing ammo with p75 IO? if so why? I find I get nothing out of ammo really. Maybe the occasional flirtive glance but who cares if its not translating into conversation or moving the date forwards. It also at times makes me have difficulty concentrating and makes other men angry. My targets are young girls 21-25 years of age. Working on 3 of them now. Will try to date close 2 of them this week.. Already closed one last thurs. Will report back.. All I’m going to use is [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) IO and see what happens. I also find IO works 10x better for me when I upped the dosage to 8 sprays, 6 on my neck 2 in my hair. For some reason i don’t act goofy at all and don’t talk that much even with 8 sprays.. Just enough.. but i can see the effect on women.. they stick around to talk much longer and are more likely to flirt with me and contribute to the conversation. 8 sprays really is like having them drink a glass of champagne first. The AD ad for IO is quite right in this respect! Sometimes too many mones ruins the brew. ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/60 "2013-03-03T12:42:54Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Do you find there’s any point to wearing ammo with p75 IO? if so why? I find I get nothing out of ammo really. Maybe the occasional flirtive glance but who cares if its not translating into conversation or moving the date forwards. It also at times makes me have difficulty concentrating and makes other men angry. > > My targets are young girls 21-25 years of age. Working on 3 of them now. Will try to date close 2 of them this week.. Already closed one last thurs. > > Will report back.. All I’m going to use is P75 IO and see what happens. > > Sometimes too many mones ruins the brew. The main reason I am going to use Ammo… is because 5mcg of P75 comes out too strong. If I weren’t dancing, it would probably be fine. I am dancer though, so it is not very effective. Like posted above, Ammo might help compound with P75 and tone it down. I like girls around that age as well, this is why I was using IG for a while. I am not a one night stand kinda guy, so I keep in touch with them for future dancing and dates as well. I would definitely recommed IO for almost anything. I am going to start using IG for my dance rehearsals. I think it works better with connecting with women throughout the day without this heavy sexual vibe. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144.md?page=4)