# If -none is a Lion, P75 is a Rhino: a very masculine spray, best at 2.5 to 5 mcg **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144 "2013-02-12T10:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/61 "2013-03-03T12:45:56Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Do you find there’s any point to wearing ammo with p75 IO? if so why? I find I get nothing out of ammo really. Maybe the occasional flirtive glance but who cares if its not translating into conversation or moving the date forwards. It also at times makes me have difficulty concentrating and makes other men angry. > > My targets are young girls 21-25 years of age. Working on 3 of them now. Will try to date close 2 of them this week.. Already closed one last thurs. > > Will report back.. All I’m going to use is P75 IO and see what happens. > I also find IO works 10x better for me when I upped the dosage to 8 sprays, 6 on my neck 2 in my hair. For some reason i don’t act goofy at all and don’t talk that much even with 8 sprays.. Just enough.. but i can see the effect on women.. they stick around to talk much longer and are more likely to flirt with me and contribute to the conversation. 8 sprays really is like having them drink a glass of champagne first. The AD ad for IO is quite right in this respect! > > Sometimes too many mones ruins the brew. I use IO a lot to get women to open up more. This is how it usually girls: -I ask girl to dance, she says yes, we are dancing and she gets really chatty since she is so close to me. Asks me all sorts of stuff and what not. When I use 5mcg of P75, it is way too strong after some serious dancing. The IO helps alleviate that, gonna throw some Ammo so i don’t come as strong. The IG might help as well. Gonna start working on spraying more on my neck and wrists as well. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/62 "2013-03-03T12:56:31Z")
> [@radioheadalways](#): > > I use IO a lot to get women to open up more. This is how it usually girls: > > -I ask girl to dance, she says yes, we are dancing and she gets really chatty since she is so close to me. Asks me all sorts of stuff and what not. > > When I use 5mcg of P75, it is way too strong after some serious dancing. The IO helps alleviate that, gonna throw some Ammo so i don’t come as strong. The IG might help as well. Gonna start working on spraying more on my neck and wrists as well. Instead of taming down the p75 signature by using ammo and IG have you tried cutting down p75 to 2.5 mcg.. I find anything more than 2.5 mcg on ME is not acceptable. (i.e. OD) ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/63 "2013-03-03T12:59:42Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Instead of taming down the p75 signature by using ammo and IG have you tried cutting down p75 to 2.5 mcg.. I find anything more than 2.5 mcg on ME is not acceptable. (i.e. OD) That’s what works very well with me if I have IO available. I saw some posts here and tried experimenting. Yeah, 5mcg is too much. I would like it a little more edgy without the effects of a double dose of p75 ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/64 "2013-03-03T13:39:01Z")
I’ve been using a mix of P75 and [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) (a 50:50 mix of 5mcg of each) very effectively - although I am 56, so a lot older than most guys here. Two sprays of this mix seems to be working well. I’m also applying Shine and Honesty in different areas. Do the effects of the 'mones persist for a while after they supposedly lose their potency? I was with my target lady for about 6 hours today, and she seemed to gradually soften up more and more as time went by, finishing up with hugs and kisses in the car when I dropped her off, and a tacit agreement that we are now “dating”. (she’s almost 40, but very slim, blond, 5 ft 7. . . ) 🙂 I didn’t re-apply any 'mones in the 6 hours. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/65 "2013-03-04T14:46:12Z")
For people who are getting loads of self effects with p75, and I’m sure there are many, how much time do you find these self effects take to get into action? Trying to find a general consensus as to how much in advance most people wear p75 before heading out. Some say right away, some way 15 min, some say 1 hr, some say 2 hrs, never heard over 2 hrs. p75 is a long hitter but I’m talking about self effects here not how long people works on OTHER people. Comments? ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/66 "2013-03-04T18:30:38Z")
I think it depends on your level of activity. When I dance, I put it 1hr to 30 min before, just because the scent stays strong for a bit. The self effects start hitting usually 20 mins in for me. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/67 "2013-03-04T19:42:44Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > For people who are getting loads of self effects with p75, and I’m sure there are many, how much time do you find these self effects take to get into action? > > Trying to find a general consensus as to how much in advance most people wear p75 before heading out. Some say right away, some way 15 min, some say 1 hr, some say 2 hrs, never heard over 2 hrs. p75 is a long hitter but I’m talking about self effects here not how long people works on OTHER people. > > Comments? I have not noticed a delay of onset of effects (onset as short as 5 minutes Or less); I have noticed effects change and improve hours after application. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/68 "2013-03-04T22:45:29Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I have not noticed a delay of onset of effects (onset as short as 5 minutes Or less); I have noticed effects change and improve hours after application. Can you elaborate? How do you find the self effects change and improve? Have you kept track of what is happening to you? Is there a pattern? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/69 "2013-03-05T07:54:00Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Can you elaborate? How do you find the self effects change and improve? Have you kept track of what is happening to you? Is there a pattern? Onset of self effects is quite rapid for me. Self-effects testing is the first thing I do with any new product, often on the wrists. It helps me gauge effects on others, because I can use my response as a benchmark. After about four hours, a distinct crankiness sets in for me. This often requires buffering, but the harshness can also be exploited for a more Alpha effect. Were I to create an A314, it would contain [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and similar molecules specifically to exploit the self effects. Regular use will cause personality adaptations. Similarly, effects on others do change over time. It’s impossible to tell whether this is do to duration of exposure vs. delay after application. It seems to be the former. If you’ve been around people with this on all day, applying IShine or something else as a brightener keeps the P75 signature from what doctors would call tachyphylaxis. This is particularly true if you are around the same targets daily. Given the psychotropic nature of some pheros, this concept shouldn’t be overlooked. > **[Tachyphylaxis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyphylaxis)** > > Tachyphylaxis (from Ancient Greek ταχύς, tachys 'rapid', and φύλαξις, phylaxis 'protection') is a medical term used in pharmacology that describes an acute, sudden decrease in response to a drug after its administration (i.e., a rapid and short-term onset of drug tolerance). It can occur after an initial dose or after a series of small doses. Increasing the dose of the drug may be able to restore the original response. Tachyphylaxis is characterized by the rate sensitivity: the response of the sy... ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/70 "2013-03-06T01:26:23Z")
dsouza! how long have you been using [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and do you still get the self effect? usually self effects start to die out after a few use.i don’t get the self effect with IG anymore.with IS the effect is starting to decrease ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144/71 "2013-03-06T02:55:42Z")
> [@leon333](#): > > dsouza! how long have you been using P75 and do you still get the self effect? usually self effects start to die out after a few use.i don’t get the self effect with IG anymore.with IS the effect is starting to decrease Been using p75 for about 3 months.. Still get the self effects everytime I use it! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-none-is-a-lion-p75-is-a-rhino-a-very-masculine-spray-best-at-2-5-to-5-mcg/58144.md?page=3)