# IFM and the pee smell...what did it contain?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 28, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143 "2010-09-28T21:10:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hyper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hyper/32/1326_2.png) [@Hyper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hyper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/1 "2010-09-28T21:10:46Z")
In only had one IFM Togo bottle. That was two years ago now. As I remember it was said, that it does contain some steering molecules that make it smell like this. Since then I had a good amount of mones and read alot and I never came accross one information that something smalles like IFM. So I ask myself what was in IFM beside A1 that made this smell?? I do not know any P that has a smells like this… ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/2 "2010-09-28T22:07:09Z")
> [@Hyper](#): > > In only had one IFM Togo bottle. That was two years ago now. > As I remember it was said, that it does contain some steering molecules that make it smell like this. > Since then I had a good amount of mones and read alot and I never came accross one information that something smalles like IFM. > So I ask myself what was in IFM beside A1 that made this smell?? > I do not know any P that has a smells like this… MHarris one said that A1 and Androstenone are two of the stinkiest molecules out there, lol. Think about it - those are found in male sweats and pubic areas, respectively. On the other hand, anol and rone are very sweet/pleasant smelling, according to the same man 😉 I think someone once mentioned that a bit of betanol and TAA (which also make females feel good) could also be in IFM. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/3 "2010-09-28T22:25:00Z")
As for my experiences A1 has no scent for me ! Have the LS A1 Have A1 from “the unmentionable one” **no scent** have a 2/3rds full bottle IFM IFM stinks like … not showered for ages ! MHarris mentioned that it´s the highest, purest and best A1 which was used in IFM so what makes the stink ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/4 "2010-09-28T22:27:08Z")
just go spray yourself 30 - 50 mcg A1, 2x IH and 1 or 2x [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)… the combo = super-charged IFM ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/5 "2010-09-28T22:58:39Z")
I know i know … will try it out during the week usually i combine A1 with Meo-Est and TAC .. Hyper´s question was if i understand him right that there was something into IFM that made it so effective and he thinks that this component makes the smell ! **Maybe something we can´t get as a putative ?** Something secret. Pago ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/6 "2010-09-28T23:02:26Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > I know i know … > will try it out during the week usually i combine A1 with Meo-Est and TAC .. They wouldn’t use MEO-EST in IFM or any mixes. Meo-Est is a horse hormone that is also found in breast carcinomas. It is not from humans. It is too risky for a smart company like Androtics to throw in that crap and potentially harm customers. That is why they sell it as putative and charge $1000 freaking for newbies. They don’t want someone with no sense getting hands on it and squirting it all over the air for innocent citizens to breathe in. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/7 "2010-09-28T23:14:13Z")
No worries CoolKat **i dont´t think that Meo-Est is into IFM** i use it only into my special i meet my Girlfriend mix with A1 which works quite nice but not the same way like IFM. i know about the issue with Meo-Est and wouldnt use it on a daily base .. the same with A1 that i use regularly but not too often Pago ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/8 "2010-09-28T23:16:35Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > No worries CoolKat > **i dont´t think that Meo-Est is into IFM** > > i use it only into my special i meet my Girlfriend mix with A1 which works quite nice but not the same way like IFM. > > i know about the issue with Meo-Est and wouldnt use it on a daily base .. > the same with A1 that i use regularly but not too often > > Pago A1 is a natural [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). In fact, A1 predominates in males (\>60% ?). I don’t see how it can be harmful 🙄 -none, I can see why. Usually Southern Europeans, middle eastern, latinos (including many fillipinos) and blacks produce much more than east asians, blondes, etc ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/9 "2010-09-28T23:26:03Z")
Overdosing on A1 can lead to some really nice depressions ! Believe me i went through them and i fought the problem starting very low on A1 and upping it over several weeks to 50mcg. A friend of mine had the same problems with A1 and it´s reported here and at LS forum that it can act this way ! It´s the official version that because of the depressions causing effect of A1 [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) was discontinued .. Pago ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/10 "2010-09-28T23:57:04Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > As for my experiences A1 has no scent for me ! > > Have the LS A1 > Have A1 from “the unmentionable one” > > **no scent** > > have a 2/3rds full bottle IFM > > IFM stinks like … not showered for ages ! > MHarris mentioned that it´s the highest, purest and best A1 which was used in IFM > > so what makes the stink ? > > Pago I’ve never experienced the molecule from either of those companies, however I do know that the molecules are SUPPOSED to smell. If they do not, I would wonder about their purity. They smell when it comes from people and if the synthesis is actually a true synthesis then it would carry along those properties. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/11 "2010-09-29T00:13:32Z")
IFM had a herbal additive to cover the stink of the A1. Many men can’t smell A1, and of those who can sometimes the ability to smell it can ebb and flow. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/12 "2010-09-29T00:26:03Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > IFM had a herbal additive to cover the stink of the A1. Many men can’t smell A1, and of those who can sometimes the ability to smell it can ebb and flow. Hi PheroQuirk thanks to enlighten me ..or us 🙄 The LS A1 has been reported to be good quality and works for many users.. nothing heard yet about some bad stink so far on the bords. _ **BUT** _ The LS A1 has no smell for me but for my EX´s mother it smelled not pleasent. My Ex can´t smell A1 as well .. Hyper can´t smell A1 as well but his mom hates it ! My mom can´t smell it .. So sensibility to A1 smell seems to differ a lot and maybe it was the “herbal additive” that caused the stink … for me and other users I remember reading a post from MHarris about some steering molecules in IFM .. think i have to do a search … Pago ---
**Author:** ![aequitas300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@aequitas300](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aequitas300)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/13 "2010-09-29T04:19:21Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > They wouldn’t use MEO-EST in IFM or any mixes. Meo-Est is a horse hormone that is also found in breast carcinomas. It is not from humans. > It is too risky for a smart company like Androtics to throw in that crap and potentially harm customers. That is why they sell it as putative and charge $1000 freaking for newbies. They don’t want someone with no sense getting hands on it and squirting it all over the air for innocent citizens to breathe in. Are you saying that Methoxyestratetraenone can be physically harmful? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 9:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/14 "2010-09-29T09:44:05Z")
IFM had mainly A1 in it. Meo est is defiently not in IFM. I believe its probably one of these three… arone bnol and taa. I cant remember if it had 2 or 3 human [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) in it. I am sure I have it in my notes somewhere though and I am leaning toward 3. You really cant go by smell though. According to the sense of smell institute no two people smell the same thing the same way so what may smell like piss to you may smell great to the next guy. [Sense of Smell](http://www.senseofsmell.org/) > [@](#): > > Are you saying that Methoxyestratetraenone can be physically harmful? No one can tell you that for sure. Its harmful if ingested or injected. Science has not tested what it does when applied to the skin. Its not a human pheromone. Its a horse hormone found in there urine. It only occurs in humans in inflamed tissue like you see around a breast cancer site. Pharmaceutical companies use its derivatives to make hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women so it has estrogen properties but its also known to cause cancer in women. I think as long as you use it responsibly and dont over use it your fine but I wont guarantee that. Its just like any other chemical you get on your skin that’s not naturally occurring to humans. If you get bleach on your skin occasionally it wont kill you but every single day it will eventually build to toxic levels in your system. Frankly its one molecule I wont use not only because of the above issue but when I tested it I didnt like it at all. I tested it before I even knew what it was and it made me and everyone around me moody and gave me weird unpleasent dreams. Oddly those are some of the side effects reported with Paramin the drug made from it so there is no way I am using it. Keep in mind just because one putative may or may not be good for you this doesnt mean all pheromones are harmful. Pheromones or hormones naturally occuring in humans are fine used in moderation. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Hyper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hyper/32/1326_2.png) [@Hyper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hyper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/15 "2010-09-29T14:21:24Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Hi PheroQuirk > > Hyper can´t smell A1 as well but his mom hates it ! > My mom can´t smell it .. > > Pago She only smelled the IFM and so did I. She never smelled pure A1, even up to 100mcg+ If this smell is really from the A1, because it was THIS ultrapure, I want it back plz =) Just sell it as putative only for advanced users. ---
**Author:** ![aequitas300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@aequitas300](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aequitas300)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/16 "2010-09-30T01:21:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > IFM had mainly A1 in it. Meo est is defiently not in IFM. I believe its probably one of these three… arone bnol and taa. I cant remember if it had 2 or 3 human pheromones in it. I am sure I have it in my notes somewhere though and I am leaning toward 3. > > You really cant go by smell though. According to the sense of smell institute no two people smell the same thing the same way so what may smell like piss to you may smell great to the next guy. > > [Sense of Smell](http://www.senseofsmell.org/) > > No one can tell you that for sure. Its harmful if ingested or injected. Science has not tested what it does when applied to the skin. Its not a human pheromone. Its a horse hormone found in there urine. It only occurs in humans in inflamed tissue like you see around a breast cancer site. Pharmaceutical companies use its derivatives to make hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women so it has estrogen properties but its also known to cause cancer in women. > > I think as long as you use it responsibly and dont over use it your fine but I wont guarantee that. Its just like any other chemical you get on your skin that’s not naturally occurring to humans. If you get bleach on your skin occasionally it wont kill you but every single day it will eventually build to toxic levels in your system. > > Frankly its one molecule I wont use not only because of the above issue but when I tested it I didnt like it at all. I tested it before I even knew what it was and it made me and everyone around me moody and gave me weird unpleasent dreams. Oddly those are some of the side effects reported with Paramin the drug made from it so there is no way I am using it. > > Keep in mind just because one putative may or may not be good for you this doesnt mean all pheromones are harmful. Pheromones or hormones naturally occuring in humans are fine used in moderation. > > Tisha Side note - anyone wanna buy some MEO-EST?? lol.. I’ve only sprayed it once or twice, can I return it? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/17 "2010-09-30T08:27:30Z")
> [@aequitas300](#): > > Side note - anyone wanna buy some MEO-EST?? lol.. > > I’ve only sprayed it once or twice, can I return it? No you cant return anything in the advanced section. I know new people look at the forum and want to jump right into the advanced section of products. I gave up on trying to guide them to sticking with the consumer line when I quit being the mod here. Many of the advanced users have been using and researching mones for 10 years or better and we dont use them like you see a lot of people here in the forum posting. Someone posted a thread called pheromone frenzy and it has turned into quite a frenzy if you ask me. From the store and this applies to the whole advanced section… > [@](#): > > ExperiMones™ are meant for researchers and serious pheromone enthusiasts only. In fact, you **need** to have pheromone experience in order to properly use ExperiMones™. They are useless to novices. (Please join our [pheromone forum](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) in order to learn more about the intricacies of pheromone chemistry) > [@](#): > > Important: > > ExperiMones™ are not consumer products, but for serious enthusiasts and researchers only. They are custom built for you and are not returnable (although we will exchange, if faulty). Tisha ---
**Author:** ![aequitas300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@aequitas300](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aequitas300)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/18 "2010-09-30T21:37:44Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I know new people look at the forum and want to jump right into the advanced section of products. > … > Many of the advanced users have been using and researching mones for 10 years or better and we dont use them like you see a lot of people here in the forum posting. I was about to say “new people? I’ve been here since Feb '07”… Then I saw the “10 years or better” comment.. :o Point taken.. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/19 "2010-09-30T22:22:40Z")
> [@aequitas300](#): > > I was about to say “new people? I’ve been here since Feb '07”… Then I saw the “10 years or better” comment.. :o > > Point taken.. LOL I wasnt talking specifically about you. Your not a newbie. 😉 Hey dont feel bad I even said in my post that I used meo before I even knew what it was. Happens to the best of us. If you cant get rid of it you could use it on your cloths if you like the results you got with it. This way you wont absorb any. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/20 "2010-09-30T23:26:07Z")
A1 will stink of horrible BO to some, and be undetectable to others. Sometimes even to the same person he might notice it one day and not the next. You need a cover scent. I think on balance IFM smelt much better overall than does pure A1. I presume MHarris chose not to sell it for good reason, so perhaps one should not hold one’s breath in awaiting a restocking of the chemset mone. I wouldn’t pre-judge MEO-EST (or MOET) as bad. If you go back and look you will see that some people had rather positive experiences from it. It seemed to me to have a celebrity aspect, which might be sometimes a positive thing. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143.md?page=2)