# IFM and the pee smell...what did it contain?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 28, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143 "2010-09-28T21:10:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/21 "2010-10-01T00:48:26Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > just go spray yourself 30 - 50 mcg A1, 2x IH and 1 or 2x Instant Shine… the combo = super-charged IFM Hmm.. sounds kinda like the mix I’m thinking about wearing this weekend in regards to my other thread… but adding some p96 for additional comfort aspect and p75 for some ‘man’ power lol ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 10:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/22 "2010-10-01T10:34:12Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > A1 will stink of horrible BO to some, and be undetectable to others. Sometimes even to the same person he might notice it one day and not the next. You need a cover scent. I think on balance IFM smelt much better overall than does pure A1. > > I presume MHarris chose not to sell it for good reason, so perhaps one should not hold one’s breath in awaiting a restocking of the chemset mone. > > I wouldn’t pre-judge MEO-EST (or MOET) as bad. If you go back and look you will see that some people had rather positive experiences from it. It seemed to me to have a celebrity aspect, which might be sometimes a positive thing. Its not a question of results its a question of safety and health. These are chemicals we are using. Used in moderation responsibly they are safe IMO. However I see users using over 100 mcg of meo est. I even saw one person with over 1000 mcg’s’ When you use reasonable dosages of something very little absorbs into the system. When your using those type dosages of something more is absorbing and your approaching toxic levels. Meo est and its derivatives are carcinogenic. Thats a proven fact. Now look at A1. It can cause depression in high dosages. This is the reason they gave for taking it out of the line up. Look at the dosages people are using. Yes it may not cause you depression but you are exposed to other men when your wearing pheromones correct. How about the effect it has on them ? Low doses are not a issue. I have been telling people for years more in not better and no one has listened. I can see why they took A1 out of the line up. I worry about users who use huge doses. Yet you see the dose climbing and climbing. Look at an actual formula and how little they actually use to make a great mix. > [@Behind the Scenes -- MX Formula Cheat Sheets](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/behind-the-scenes-mx-formula-cheat-sheets/37364): > > Hi there, Gents and Ladies! This thread is your “backstage pass” to the proprietary formulas of some of your favorite MXs. Now you’re an insider to what makes some of these great MXs tick, and can use that to your [name extremely cool advantage here] advantage! If there are any MXs you want to see included in this thread, cast your votes here: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mxs-do-you-want-the-formulas-of/12328](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mxs-do-you-want-the-formulas-of/12328) We’ll regularly comb through your feedback and see which ones we can unleash o… I was so happy when she shared this because it showed clearly they type of dosages that are safe and effective. Still doses are climbing with users. I dont know much else we can do other then flat out tell them the truth. I dont want to scare people but hell maybe shaking them up a little will make it dawn on them. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/23 "2010-10-01T13:06:09Z")
I think it’s because we get a flux of new users all at once and, well, new users like to go crazy with their usage… I have to be honest when I first started I went a bit crazy with them too… I would find it hard to believe if someone said they didnt. I mean I never went to 100mcg or more of Meo-est but you know, spraying too much ammo in the beginning. I think it’s kind of a rookie thing, and maybe even a ‘right of passage’ lol. But since then I’ve become a pretty good tester and am starting to really understand how to test and really appreciate these products now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/24 "2010-10-01T13:53:55Z")
Phero Baptism is a necessary thing. It’s those crazies who read oh do this and the next thing you know you have the MEO-EST going out at 150 mcg. CRAZY! ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/25 "2010-10-01T13:56:19Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Phero Baptism is a necessary thing. It’s those crazies who read oh do this and the next thing you know you have the MEO-EST going out at 150 mcg. CRAZY! I agree, there has to be a point where that is just not anymore effective… I’ve stopped using it completely since that thread actually. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/26 "2010-10-01T16:46:13Z")
IFM is among the worse smelling mone products I have owned. I still have a nearly full bottle and it is rank as ever. On the other hand, pure chemist A1 is far milder to my nose, stinking mildly of male BO but slightly pissy. I also found a single drop of chemset A1 works better at defeating PMS moodiness than a might stink blast from IFM. Whatever additives AD used in IFM are largely responsible for the extra funk. Those additives are supposed to help reduce male depression from large A1 doses. Large doses of either product have no effect on me. As I recall, IFM is among the few non scented AD products due to patent constraints with scent and A1. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/27 "2010-10-02T02:59:16Z")
Are we sure that MEO-EST is truly carcinogenic in itself at the doses we tend to use? (Provided you don’t swallow or bathe in it). Carbon is carcinogenic too, but we don’t tend to stress about eating a little of it. I agree that many tend to overdo dosages, but on the other hand high doses judiciously used have their place for the experienced user. Just read a typical tacitus report… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/28 "2010-10-02T11:27:09Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Are we sure that MEO-EST is truly carcinogenic in itself at the doses we tend to use? (Provided you don’t swallow or bathe in it). Carbon is carcinogenic too, but we don’t tend to stress about eating a little of it. > > I agree that many tend to overdo dosages, but on the other hand high doses judiciously used have their place for the experienced user. Just read a typical tacitus report… I am sure its a carcinogenic but not sure at what dose. We used to think that mones didnt enter the blood stream but after talking to a few dermatologists and doing some research I found that to be untrue. That’s why with this one I suggested above that you could use cloth applications I agree that megadosing has its place with experienced users and thats not who I am referring to really. I am not talking about in testing but in daily use. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/29 "2010-10-02T15:20:41Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am sure its a carcinogenic but not sure at what dose. We used to think that mones didnt enter the blood stream but after talking to a few dermatologists and doing some research I found that to be untrue. That’s why with this one I suggested above that you could use cloth applications > > I agree that megadosing has its place with experienced users and thats not who I am referring to really. I am not talking about in testing but in daily use. > > Tisha maybe, it is good thing I don’t use mones all the time?! So how does it affect one’s hormone in the long run? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/30 "2010-10-04T19:42:39Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > maybe, it is good thing I don’t use mones all the time?! > > So how does it affect one’s hormone in the long run? Well that’s the thing, no one is really sure, well at least on the forum. We are simply researching molecules that we have no idea what are. That’s why I will continue to preach moderation and safety. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143/31 "2010-10-04T23:56:19Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Well that’s the thing, no one is really sure, well at least on the forum. We are simply researching molecules that we have no idea what are. That’s why I will continue to preach moderation and safety. You don’t have to worry about me, because I know that my body is MORE IMPORTANT than getting laid. I need to take care of my body first 😃 Too bad some guys don’t think like this. They just spray a whole bunch of stuff and hope they score some. Man, I thought this was common sense [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-and-the-pee-smell-what-did-it-contain/42143.md?page=1)