# IFM - how much Androstadienone in it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140 "2009-07-31T01:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/1 "2009-07-31T01:49:35Z")
Does anyone know how much Androstadienone mcg was per spray in IFM? I need to know so I can dosage my order from LS of Androstadienone correctly. Thanks for the help! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/2 "2009-07-31T01:54:20Z")
Well, that wouldn’t really help in a way because IFM also has other stuff in it that in a way makes IFM unique to just Androstadienone alone. Worth a try though. > [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > Does anyone know how much Androstadienone mcg was per spray in IFM? I need to know so I can dosage my order from LS of Androstadienone correctly. Thanks for the help! ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/3 "2009-07-31T01:58:46Z")
Yeah, I understand that. But I heard that since Androstadienone was the primary component, it would replicate IFM pretty well. The other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) helped reduce the depressing effects in men, but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/4 "2009-07-31T02:06:40Z")
I use both the full strength A1 from LS and IFM. I find one drop of LS A-1 is similar in effect to 2 sprays of IFM, but far less stinky. I suspect the LS A1 should be diluted and mixed with cologne for best effect (better diffusion) but I only need to use it once a month for a few days… ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/5 "2009-07-31T02:07:40Z")
I have never been lucky enough to try [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), but there are a few things I’ve found that work VERY well to help mitigate the mood swings that can occur. MX116, P74, Meo-Est, and even Instant Gentleman all seem to work very well for me. Just my 2 cents- trying to be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/6 "2009-07-31T02:09:24Z")
Interesting…I bought mine from [naturalattraction.com](http://naturalattraction.com) I read a post somewhere where Jasmin (hope she is alright) recommended naturalattraction for a IFM replacement. I think I read somewhere that it has 50 mcg/spray but that seems a bit high… ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/7 "2009-07-31T02:10:54Z")
I read that we won’t be seeing IFM anytime soon. Tisha suggested a place that is the patent holder and posted a link to them and I am wondering. What is the difference between what the LS and the patent holders product? I am not saying the name or the website on purpose. Don’t want to run afoul of the rules. ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/8 "2009-07-31T02:15:38Z")
Yeah that’s what I was referring to, Tisha’s post linked me to them which are the patent holders. Apparently these guys are as legit as LS and Androtics from the posts I read. And they also do alot of research into medical benefits of pheromones. As for the difference, I’m not really sure. LS sells an oil based version while the patent holder sell an alcohol based version (both scented and unscented) ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/9 "2009-07-31T02:16:13Z")
Oh and the bottle is really big for the price. 50ml!!! $35 for scented, $50 unscented ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/10 "2009-07-31T02:20:15Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > I am not saying the name or the website on purpose. Don’t want to run afoul of the rules. Quick question, I didn’t know there was a rule against that? I thought the forum was perfectly fine with linking and talking about competitors. But maybe things have changed since I was last here haha I don’t know ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/11 "2009-07-31T02:23:23Z")
I was writing at the same time as you and didn’t see the link. the $20 set from NA shows it to be out of stock, except the 5ml roll on. LS gets $80 for a full and $40 for a half bottle. Why the large price difference? I love testing, so IFM seems to be a “must have”. I don’t actually know the rules, but I am just being respectful and cautious. ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/12 "2009-07-31T02:30:52Z")
Oh I see what you mean. The $50 I was referring to was for the 50 ml 1.7 oz bottle. I didn’t know they had a 1 oz 30 ml bottle for $18. Apparently from what their website says, the 50 ml bottle has a higher concentration of pheromones than the 30 ml which is why its more than twice the cost of the 30 ml. As for the LS, it’s oil based so I don’t know if we can compare them like that. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/13 "2009-07-31T02:32:40Z")
You’re talking about Erox, the makers of Realm and related products? Realm was one of the earliest commercial mone products and was mainly a cologne with trace amounts of mones designed for mild self-effects. The male version contains EST, a a prego female mone known to relax men. Female Realm had A1, a male mone know to relax women. I believe the patent covers use of A1 in scented products, hence IFM lacks a scent package, not even a sour EO note! I bought a bottle of male Realm at Ross for $19.95. Didn’t care for it at all. Smelled terrible and didn’t do jack squat for me. Bought the female Realm for my GF and she tossed it. Too sweet and vanilla. All mone products are fair game for discussion save 2 blacklisted companies. While the LS A1 is pricy, the AD Experimone at a similar concentration is just as expensive if you could actually get it… > **[Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)** > > Molecule A (TAA) is an experimental putative pheromone molecule with a longstanding reputation for boosting mood, approachability, and charm. It’s the driving force behind Instant Shine and powers some of the most charismatic pheromone blends ever... ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/14 "2009-07-31T02:43:51Z")
You’re talking about Erox, the makers of Realm and related products? Realm was one of the earliest commercial mone products and was mainly a cologne with trace amounts of mones designed for mild self-effects. The male version contains EST, a a prego female mone known to relax men. Female Realm had A1, a male mone know to relax women. I believe the patent covers use of A1 in scented products, hence IFM lacks a scent package, not even a sour EO note! I bought a bottle of male Realm at Ross for $19.95. Didn’t care for it at all. Smelled terrible and didn’t jack for me. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/15 "2009-07-31T02:50:17Z")
Another concise and thorough explanation from my 808 homey.. So how does the Erox Androstadienone compare with the LS Androstadienone? Tisha posted a link to Erox and I see there’s is a 30 ml for $18, but I can’t see the concentration. The LS listing seems simple enough and says 10mg (dryweight). My guess is you use less of LS than Erox and the costs might actually be similar? In any case, I am about what works, so I’ll assume they both are of equal quality. One last thing, Gegogi, thanks for the guidelines. I know only one blacklisted company, I’ll figure the other one out. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/16 "2009-07-31T15:59:33Z")
So which Erox product was the one that Jasmin had suggested? Was it this one: `http://shop.naturalattraction.com/product.sc?productId=1&categoryId=2` ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/17 "2009-07-31T17:08:55Z")
To me she posted this one: `http://shop.naturalattraction.com/product.sc?productId=9&categoryId=2` ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/18 "2009-07-31T17:12:26Z")
So…I emailed them trying to figure out how much pheromones is in the cologne, here’s the sad response: Hi, I’m sorry we do not disclose our formula. However, you use it like any other cologne (about 3 sprays). ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/19 "2009-07-31T18:49:19Z")
I don’t want to start a debate nor do I mean to bash on other companies, but I feel that they were a bit rude about providing their customers with information about what’s in their product… Hi, We hold worldwide patents on Androstadienone and “[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)” is not one of our customers’ products. I looked on their site and it doesn’t show they even use Androstadienone. Most companies sell pig or sheep pheromones even though they say it’s human. Here are some examples of mostly use pheromones from other companies that misrepresent themselves. Pheromones are species specific so a pig pheromone will not work on humans. Androstenone is a Pig pheromone. Androstanone is an analog of a Pig pheromone. Androstenol is a Pig pheromone You just need to spray 3 sprays in different areas and you will be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/20 "2009-07-31T19:55:46Z")
Technically they are right, androstenone is a pig mone. However, it is common to many mammal species includes house cats and humans. But, yeah, they are slanting this info in an underhanded manner and are basically full of pig crap. Their products are a cruel joke and they treat customers like idiots. Here’s one of the best androstenone products ever made. Just spray it on her nose and she automatically assumes mating position. What can be more handy? Makes for easy natural or artificial insemination: [Boarmate?](http://www2.dupont.com/DAHS_EMEA/en_GB/products/spec_prod/boarmate.html) Imagine how fun this would be at a frat or bachelor party. Oddly humans share more with swine than mere diseases and transplanted body parts. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140.md?page=2)