# IFM - how much Androstadienone in it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140 "2009-07-31T01:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/21 "2009-07-31T20:38:03Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > What is the difference between what the LS and the patent holders product? The scent. The “G man” is correct, the patent is for use in a scented product. By the way, the LS version is in alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/22 "2009-07-31T22:09:19Z")
Thanks, Mtnjim! I wish we knew what we were getting from Erox, but when I test, I’ll have to get the LS version. I just like knowing how much I am applying. What’s the sense of keeping score of the mcg’s and sprays of you don’t know how much you’re applying? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/23 "2009-07-31T22:55:11Z")
The specs of “classic” Realm were published at LS but reflect its contents before the company was sold and the product line revamped. However I still see classic Realm in Ross and discount perfume stores, so there is plenty still out there. I have 2 bottles… Realm (M) 50ml bottle contains 2.5mg Vomeropherins (reputed to be EST) equaling .005% of total volume or .05mg of mones per ml. The women’s version is reputed to contain a similar ratio of A1. I guess if you really want to calulate the amount per spray you’ll need to first empty a bottle and count the sprays… [http://pherolibrary.com/reference/product-table.html](http://pherolibrary.com/reference/product-table.html) ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/24 "2009-07-31T23:16:46Z")
Gegogi - I’m a bit confused. Erox sells an unscented product and a scented one both called Natural Attraction, is that what used to be called Realm? I was comparing the LS Androstadienone with the Erox product that Tisha said was the same as IFM and called Natural Attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/25 "2009-07-31T23:21:01Z")
Take a look at [this](http://www.scentoffragrance.com/Realm_Men.html). ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/26 "2009-07-31T23:30:59Z")
Thanks. I can see they are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![texaspete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/texaspete/32/1612_2.png) [@texaspete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/texaspete)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/27 "2009-08-07T15:01:13Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Technically they are right, androstenone is a pig mone. However, it is common to many mammal species includes house cats and humans. But, yeah, they are slanting this info in an underhanded manner and are basically full of pig crap. Their products are a cruel joke and they treat customers like idiots. > > Here’s one of the best androstenone products ever made. Just spray it on her nose and she automatically assumes mating position. What can be more handy? Makes for easy natural or artificial insemination: > > [Boarmate?](http://www2.dupont.com/DAHS_EMEA/en_GB/products/spec_prod/boarmate.html) > > Imagine how fun this would be at a frat or bachelor party. Oddly humans share more with swine than mere diseases and transplanted body parts. I am having trouble finding a place to buy Boarmate online. Hey, I’ve tried deerlure in the past… why not try this? 😃 I’ll just be sure not to get too close to any animals. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/28 "2009-08-07T15:57:23Z")
> [@texaspete](#): > > I am having trouble finding a place to buy Boarmate online. Hey, I’ve tried deerlure in the past… why not try this? 😃 I’ll just be sure not to get too close to any animals. Is there a version of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) or Turn up The Heat that works on horses? ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/29 "2009-08-07T20:30:06Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > Is there a version of Instant Female Magic or Turn up The Heat that works on horses? 😮 i am afraid to ask… But …why do you need it ? … horse breeding ? pls say its horse breeding.. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/30 "2009-08-07T23:51:51Z")
> [@idle](#): > > horse breeding ? > > pls say its horse breeding.. 😃 You say he’s going to breed with a horse?? Better hide mine.😮 ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/31 "2009-08-08T03:33:49Z")
hope it’s a quarter… less kick LOL ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/32 "2009-08-08T14:24:53Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > Thanks, Mtnjim! > > I wish we knew what we were getting from Erox, but when I test, I’ll have to get the LS version. I just like knowing how much I am applying. What’s the sense of keeping score of the mcg’s and sprays of you don’t know how much you’re applying? You are getting the same exact thing as Realm if you purchase form Erox I wrote to them a long time ago and posted this on the messageboards here is what they told me: > [@](#): > > We sold the Realm line to Five Star Fragrances located in NY. We still provide them the pheromones to make the Realm products. We no longer sell in retail stores. Our Natural Attraction line is just another line we created for consumers to try the pheromones. They contain the same pheromones as Realm. We use Androstadienone and Estratetraenol. > > You can purchase the blue bottle Scented men’s as it’s the closest to Realm. If you further help, please let me know. I personally would not purchase from them because I found that Realm line very little pheros to begin with and had no effect whatsoever. I would go with LS A-1 over natural attraction myself when i run out of instant Female magic i still have a bottle here i do not use it that often and if I need it more I will just purchase it at LS, sounds like it works just as well ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/33 "2009-08-08T18:34:33Z")
> [@denec](#): > > You are getting the same exact thing as Realm if you purchase form Erox > > … > > I personally would not purchase from them because I found that Realm line very little pheros to begin with and had no effect whatsoever. I would go with LS A-1 over natural attraction Yeesh, so if you order from their website you are essentially ordering a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) who’s formula hasn’t changed all that much since around 1993? That’s absolutely insane when you consider all of the products and experimental test mixes Androtics has put out in the past five years or so. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/34 "2009-08-11T17:22:09Z")
So much for Erox. Their response was utter crap. LS gets my business for A1. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/35 "2009-09-05T06:23:04Z")
> [@KnowledgeIsPower](#): > > Quick question, I didn’t know there was a rule against that? I thought the forum was perfectly fine with linking and talking about competitors. But maybe things have changed since I was last here haha I don’t know We allow links to all whitelist and greylist companies, but no longer black. I have no idea which vendor they’re talking about. We no longer allow companies that are confirmed to be or even could be involved in attacks against this website or our personnel. We will not fund terrorism against this website, or the harm of our own people or their families. Many of these companies have gone too far over the fraud/criminal line with tens of thousands of dollars of clickfraud executed against this website, DDOS attacks. That’s just not going to happen anymore. Our policy is whenever we need to involve the FBI on a certain matter, it’s blacklist time. That said, there are very few companies on the blacklist. Whenever possible, I’d rather expose fraud here publicly than i would outright blacklist them. Companies like Pherlure I have no problem exposing for what they are, since it’s both easy and fully legal to expose the types of fraud they’re involved in. The blacklist is reserved when issues are too complex for lay readers to understand, for companies that come on here directly to spam, or when our own freedom of speech is somehow restricted. [NaturalAttraction.com](http://NaturalAttraction.com) is a license holder from Erox and Pherin Phermaceuticals for androstadienone, and is definitely a white hat vendor. It’s a fraud free supplier, and when you buy from them you are supporting innovators (who’ll keep on innovating). Keep in mind that when you support fraud free suppliers, you are supporting a crime free and honest [pheromone](https://a314.com/) industry. On the other hand, when you support those involved in consumer fraud or outright crime, you’re sending a clear message that criminal activity is okay. You’re telling them that crime pays, and your support of select companies will lead to the downfall of companies like ours. You’ll notice that most pheromone innovation companies have withdrawn from the market due to problems with the criminal nature of of the bulk of illegitimate organizations (“semi-organized crime”) destroying the industry. You see that even free speech sites like pherlure.info have been suppressed. Forced offline by a criminal. That’s bad. That’s like allowing – no worse, _paying for_ – cockroaches, termites, mold, weeds, crack hobos, and other “undesirables” taking over and consuming your house or office. You have to put your foot down somewhere as to what you’re going to allow. ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/36 "2009-09-06T00:46:03Z")
Quick question, does NaturalAttraction’s Men’s line have anything other than Androstradienone in it? ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/37 "2009-09-06T17:02:48Z")
Only someone else can tell you, Erox won’t say anything. I simply asked how much Androstradienone is in the men’s line as I wanted to apply a certain amount of it. Their response was as thought they didn’t read or understand my 2 line email. The response was to use 2-3 sprays. (?!) I bought from LS. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/38 "2009-09-06T23:13:23Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > Only someone else can tell you, Erox won’t say anything. > > I simply asked how much Androstradienone is in the men’s line as I wanted to apply a certain amount of it. Their response was as thought they didn’t read or understand my 2 line email. The response was to use 2-3 sprays. (?!) I bought from LS. There was 30mcg of pheromone per spray in IFM. There was 4 pheromones in the mix. I estimate your gonna need about 10 mcg to 15mcg per spray of A1 to get the same amount as you did in one spray of IFM. > [@](#): > > I personally would not purchase from them because I found that Realm line very little pheros to begin with and had no effect whatsoever. I would go with LS A-1 over natural attraction While straight A1 is probably best because you have more control over how much is in it and what other mones are in the mix… Natural attractions new products are stronger then the original Realm from what they conveyed to me. They will not tell you everything that is in it though. Its a good product for people who do not want to mix yet even though its not the strongest. They do sell a small test size bottle for under $10 They teamed up with Dial for the new soap that was released in stores according to [Human pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) sciences last financial report and I have seen many many great reports on this soap so you can try that for a low cost alternative to. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/39 "2009-09-06T23:23:43Z")
On the topic of Androstradienone, has anyone read the post over in the Studies & Abstracts forum? > [@Scent of fear article with link to full text research](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scent-of-fear-article-with-link-to-full-text-research/31209): > > The link to the journal article may be of interest to those who want more details on how human [pheromones](https://a314.com/) work. [Scent of fear puts brain in emergency mode - life - 29 July 2009 - New Scientist](http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17527-scent-of-fear-puts-brain-in-) James V. Kohl http://www.pheromones.com These guys have identified androstradienone as the mone of fear and claim subjects exposed to it experience a certain state of alarm. They also discuss ethical issues–using A1 to scare people–and plan to make A1. Are they out of touch or what? Either A1 has differing reactions according to context or these researchers have totally missed the boat. I’ve used A1 extensively for years–chemset A1, IFM and Realm (W)–and never, not once, experienced heighten fear or anxiety. Perhaps, there is some connection to the small number of men whom experience depression when exposed to A1. Nevertheless, how do you explain the wonderful calmness and mood enhancement it imparts to PMS plagued women? Also, A1 is known to be the most abundant mone on male skin. Surely we’re not living in fear all the time? ---
**Author:** ![KnowledgeIsPower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/knowledgeispower/32/1201_2.png) [@KnowledgeIsPower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KnowledgeIsPower)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140/40 "2009-09-06T23:32:39Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > On the topic of Androstradienone, has anyone read the post over in the Studies & Abstracts forum? > > [Scent of fear article with link to full text research](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scent-of-fear-article-with-link-to-full-text-research/31209) > > These guys have identified androstradienone as the mone of fear and claim subjects exposed to it experience a certain state of alarm. They also discuss ethical issues–using A1 to scare people–and plan to make A1. Are they out of touch or what? Either A1 has differing reactions according to context or these researchers have totally missed the boat. > > I’ve used A1 extensively for years–chemset A1, IFM and Realm (W)–and never, not once, experienced heighten fear or anxiety. Perhaps, there is some connection to the small number of men whom experience depression when exposed to A1. Nevertheless, how do you explain the wonderful calmness and mood enhancement it imparts to PMS plagued women? That is a very strange report. I too never experienced fear but rather a sense of calmness and flexibility when with others. (girls that is) [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ifm-how-much-androstadienone-in-it/31140.md?page=3)