# IG alpha and beta androsterone ratio **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 25, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457 "2011-05-25T13:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/1 "2011-05-25T13:55:52Z")
Does anyone know what the ratio is between alpha and beta androsterone in [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/2 "2011-05-25T14:18:28Z")
Can´t say .. i personally don´t think that there´s much beta Rone in IG ! I suspect that there´s a good amount of Rone in and some steering molecules like TAC ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/3 "2011-05-25T14:40:34Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Going to chime in here from an official capacity. > > Some of these threads where people state they know exactly whats in the products are as good for information as Miss Cleo’s psychic hot-line. > > Steve’s right, \ ***only** **Harris, Jasmin, and myself** \*know the formulas. The only exceptions being the following: > > - Formulators that actually mix the products for bottling and even then they don’t know the chemical names of the putatives, so truthfully even they don’t know everything. > > - MXs or other products where _ **Harris, Jasmin, or myself** _ have posted the contents. This has a second exception which is where Steve has mentioned the contents of something one of us have indicated to him and he says so. Steve has an intimate knowledge of the product line and also has proprietary information. He’s even passed on information given to him in an e-mail by Harris. So there are probably times when he’s mentioned whats in something because he was told by one of us and it was cleared for release. > > Be wary of anybody who states they know a formula or identity of a putative even if they say “Jasmin sent me a personal e-mail saying this is the formula!” - Because unless you actually saw Jasmin post it, it may as well be from that psychic hot-line I mentioned. > > Now that being said - it doesn’t really matter WHAT the formula is, what matters is the result (and that we formulated it to specifications). Thats why we named it REALLY easy things like: Instant Gentleman. Instant Honesty. Instant Openness. Instant Shine. > > It doesn’t matter what pheromones are in them. And where its important (for example: what contains anderostenone) we’ve told you that much. > > I hope this clears everything up. > > Much love, > > John Sebastian > Androtics Direct > [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) Although some advanced users like Pagodeiro can make some good educated guesses. (Edit: Deeply sorry for spelling Pagodeiro wrong earlier. lol) ---
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/4 "2011-05-25T15:02:40Z")
Just wondering because on the androtics page for IG it says there are 2 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in it so I assumed it was just alpha and beta rone. What I am more interested in finding out is, what is the difference between alpha and beta androsterone? Because we know for nols, alpha and beta have different effects hence IO and IH have them in different ratios for different purposes. But there is nothing on these forums that discusses the difference between the rones. Maybe if the ratio was adjusted like the nol products, you would have another product with similar but at the same time very different effects to IG? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/5 "2011-05-25T15:09:31Z")
> [@SmellMe](#): > > Just wondering because on the androtics page for IG it says there are 2 pheromones in it so I assumed it was just alpha and beta rone. > > What I am more interested in finding out is, what is the difference between alpha and beta androsterone? Because we know for nols, alpha and beta have different effects hence IO and IH have them in different ratios for different purposes. But there is nothing on these forums that discusses the difference between the rones. > > Maybe if the ratio was adjusted like the nol products, you would have another product with similar but at the same time very different effects to IG? But what would be the point in that? ---
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/6 "2011-05-25T15:16:28Z")
hmm…um…er..to come up with another mix, duh! 🙄 Just like you would use IO and IH in different situations for different effects. Everyone is familiar with the difference between alpha and beta androstenol, but it seems from searching these forums not so for androsterone. Perhaps you could shed some light? Or maybe for rones it doesn’t work that way like for nols. I don’t know, hence the thread…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/7 "2011-05-25T15:32:07Z")
> [@SmellMe](#): > > hmm…um…er..to come up with another mix, duh! 🙄 > > Just like you would use IO and IH in different situations for different effects. Everyone is familiar with the difference between alpha and beta androstenol, but it seems from searching these forums not so for androsterone. Perhaps you could shed some light? > > Or maybe for rones it doesn’t work that way like for nols. I don’t know, hence the thread…🙂 Why I said that > [@](#): > > Maybe if the ratio was adjusted like the Androstenol products, you would have another product with similar but at the same time very different effects to Instant Gentleman Similar and different **can’t** be the same. A314 and IG are two AndrostERONE based products. There have been many MX’s that have been tried by AD to see if they were _ **viable** _ I stress that due to many factors, not just effectiveness. Since they’re not revealing the formulas, it could already be in there and we just haven’t noticed. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/8 "2011-05-25T16:05:50Z")
Fair enough if AD doesn’t want to reveal formulas, that is not the point. I am not interested in knowing them. omg really? Both A314 and IG are androsterone based?? 😛 lol joking aside, your replies don’t really answer my question. We are no closer to understanding the difference in terms of effects between alpha and beta androsterone. > [@](#): > > Similar and different **can’t** be the same. Let me put it in different words. IO and IH are different. Yet they are similar in as you use them for ‘communication’ applications. They are both based on nols, only. So for IG and its theoretical counterpart, perhaps you would use them to project a ‘persona’, whatever. Point is both would be based on rones, only. Heck, forget IG, I just mentioned it because I thought/it might be that it only has alpha and beta androsterone in it. Just ratios of alpha and beta rone is the focus of this thread. A314 has none and other pheros in it so (in my mind at least) they are not ‘similar’ as in how IO and IH is. You might as well compare say IJ to ammo as they both have none, but omg they’re so different! 🙄 The reason I asked about the ratio is so that I could reverse them to see how different to IG (assuming it contains what I think it does) the mix becomes, when I obtain alpha and beta androsterone. Can also test them individually. In the mean time there’s no harm in asking, maybe someone already knows the answer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/9 "2011-05-25T16:38:08Z")
> [@SmellMe](#): > > Fair enough if AD doesn’t want to reveal formulas, that is not the point. I am not interested in knowing them. omg really? Both A314 and IG are androsterone based?? 😛 lol joking aside, your replies don’t really answer my question. We are no closer to understanding the difference in terms of effects between alpha and beta androsterone. > > Let me put it in different words. IO and IH are different. Yet they are similar in as you use them for ‘communication’ applications. They are both based on nols, only. So for IG and its theoretical counterpart, perhaps you would use them to project a ‘persona’, whatever. Point is both would be based on rones, only. Heck, forget IG, I just mentioned it because I thought/it might be that it only has alpha and beta androsterone in it. Just ratios of alpha and beta rone is the focus of this thread. A314 has none and other pheros in it so (in my mind at least) they are not ‘similar’ as in how IO and IH is. You might as well compare say IJ to ammo as they both have none, but omg they’re so different! 🙄 > > The reason I asked about the ratio is so that I could reverse them to see how different to IG (assuming it contains what I think it does) the mix becomes, when I obtain alpha and beta androsterone. Can also test them individually. In the mean time there’s no harm in asking, maybe someone already knows the answer. 🙂 You can’t even test it over here because AD doesn’t have beta AndrostERONE in its lineup (that’s named) ---
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/10 "2011-05-25T16:51:14Z")
hahaha mustang I don’t know why you keep stating the obvious, it’s really cracking me up. Who says I’m getting them from AD? LOL ---
**Author:** ![SmellMe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellme/32/707_2.png) [@SmellMe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SmellMe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ig-alpha-and-beta-androsterone-ratio/50457/11 "2011-05-25T16:57:59Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Can´t say .. i personally don´t think that there´s much beta Rone in IG ! > > I suspect that there´s a good amount of Rone in and some steering molecules like TAC ! > > Pago Thanks for your reply Pago. What makes you think that there’s not much beta rone in IG…do you know the difference between alpha and beta rone? Cheers 🙂