# Ih + io = cttm2? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 7, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495 "2011-02-07T02:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroNoob123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronoob123/32/2103_2.png) [@PheroNoob123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroNoob123)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/1 "2011-02-07T02:33:52Z")
Hey guys. So I realized that i’m missing out on some of the socials. I was thinking of buying some IH and IO, and mixing them in a to-go container. > [@P51Mustang](#): > > **Instant Openness:** This pheromone has Androstenol in it. Both alpha and beta. This mix contains 70% of Alpha Androstenol and 30% of Beta Androstenol. > > **Instant Honesty:** This is the other product that has more of the Beta Androstenol than Alpha Androstenol. The mix is 70% Beta Androstenol and 30% Alpha Androstenol. So I end up with a 50/50 mix of Alpha and Beta Androstenol, as found in CTTM2. The only part i’m not sure about, is the dosing. Would the mcg of each spray be similar to CTTM2? ---
**Author:** ![jnoel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jnoel/32/650_2.png) [@jnoel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jnoel)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/2 "2011-02-07T05:04:36Z")
ive got no idea, but ive heard two different combos from cttm 1. 45%IO+45%IH+10% something else and 2. 50%IO+50%IH i think the 1st is more likely, because i have used ih+io at times and i havent had the whole girls aproaching me and talking that i heard cttm generates. on the other hand maybe i was looking for too blatant a hit you can always just get some 30ml’s of io and ih, then a few empty togo’s and just mix the two together. both of them have andronol and betanol in different proportion IO= 70% alpha + 30% beta IH= 70% beta + 30% alpha this is information ive gathered from other people’s threads so i apologize if some of it is wrong ---
**Author:** ![m0ses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@m0ses](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m0ses)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 8:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/3 "2011-02-07T08:26:19Z")
No idea about cttm, but I’ve had some good results by mixing IO and IH at 2:1 in a togo. ---
**Author:** ![PheroNoob123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronoob123/32/2103_2.png) [@PheroNoob123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroNoob123)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/4 "2011-02-07T16:18:08Z")
Unless someone with more specific knowledge chimes in, i’m going to wait until CTTM2 comes back in stock, and then also try mixing IO and IH 1:1 in a togo, and see if the effects are the same. I’ll try and keep the testing environments the same, so we can determine if there is that 10% “other” in CTTM2 **EDIT:** Maybe I should have made this thread in a more general section? Too late now unless a mod sees this. ---
**Author:** ![intrigued](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/intrigued/32/2009_2.png) [@intrigued](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/intrigued)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/5 "2011-02-07T16:24:22Z")
I used a 50/50 mix of IO and IH and I got a ton of extra conversations from strangers and not just about common things like the weather. More like things going on in their personal lives, usually I let them talk unprovoked for a minute then they introduce themselves to me. CTTM2 or not this combo always gets me lots of random hello’s, conversations, and waves. ---
**Author:** ![CHALA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@CHALA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CHALA)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/6 "2011-02-07T16:52:34Z")
According to JohnSeb. cttm isn’t a priority for getting made. You’ll be waiting a while, by the looks of things. > [@](#): > > One spray of Instant Honesty to the right side of your neck, one spray of Instant Openness to the left side. You can also put the sprays right on top of each other. It doesn’t really matter. That more or less is cttm. Some say the Instant Openness Instant Honesty combo is better because Instant Honesty is buffered with an ingredient lacking in Come Talk To Me Mix 2.’ ---
**Author:** ![PheroNoob123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronoob123/32/2103_2.png) [@PheroNoob123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroNoob123)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/7 "2011-02-07T22:45:45Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > According to JohnSeb. cttm isn’t a priority for getting made. You’ll be waiting a while, by the looks of things. Gotcha. I just ordered some IO and IH, call me impatient. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/8 "2011-02-09T17:31:50Z")
> [@jnoel](#): > > ive got no idea, but ive heard two different combos from cttm > > 1. 45%IO+45%IH+10% something else and > 2. 50%IO+50%IH > > i think the 1st is more likely, because i have used ih+io at times and i havent had the whole girls aproaching me and talking that i heard cttm generates. on the other hand maybe i was looking for too blatant a hit > > you can always just get some 30ml’s of io and ih, then a few empty togo’s and just mix the two together. both of them have andronol and betanol in different proportion > > IO= 70% alpha + 30% beta > IH= 70% beta + 30% alpha > > this is information ive gathered from other people’s threads so i apologize if some of it is wrong Really, IO is 70% alpha + 30% beta? I think CTTM was ment to be a bit less refined than IO or IH. The latter two products have molecules in them to minimise downsides and maximise the advertised positive effects of IO and IH. CTTM was a regular product for me - the Beta-Androstenol seemed to last long into the day. I think that IH doesn’t last nearly as long by comparison. Half IO and half IH should give a similar effect to CTTM in theory. Be aware though that Alpha-Androstenol is a fast diffusing molecule and even with strong fixatives in place, will not last too long on the skin. So expect the Beta-Androstenol to form a stronger part of the signature a few hours after application… ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/9 "2011-02-09T18:21:21Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Really, IO is 70% alpha + 30% beta? That’s what I’ve read as well in the older posts. You’ve been around for a while, do you have anything that could confirm/deny this? It would be nice to know. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/10 "2011-02-09T20:46:36Z")
I think there are three ingredients in it, but overall I remember the 70/30 split too ---
**Author:** ![PheroNoob123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronoob123/32/2103_2.png) [@PheroNoob123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroNoob123)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ih-io-cttm2/47495/11 "2011-02-09T21:47:20Z")
Well, i’ve mixed IH and IO in equal parts in a to-go container. I’ll report in my journal after I do some testing. I don’t have a baseline with the two products individually yet though to compare with. Unfortunately I did cross contaminate my bottle of IO when i accidentally tried to put the sprayer from that on my to-go container (with the 50/50 mix in it). I guess it’s not the worst two products to cross at least. At any rate there wasn’t much transfer, I wiped off as much as i could after I realized what I had done (before I put the sprayer back in the IO)