# IJ = Bad start **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2010, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091 "2010-12-21T05:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KingKhan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kingkhan/32/1073_2.png) [@KingKhan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KingKhan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/1 "2010-12-21T05:25:41Z")
Hi, Started the day with 2 sprays of IJ to either side of neck 30 minutes before leaving for work. No self-effects but the lady I meet in the lift everyday gave me a hateful stare the moment I stepped in. Normally she is all smiles when she sees me but today she stared at me like I’m a worm. Bad start. Another colleague who always smiles at me and gets up to shake hands gave me a cold stare and did not stand up when I approached his table to shake hands. Even when I cracked a joke he did not even as much as smile. My god!! This is the most forceful reaction to IJ I have ever had and I’ve been using it for quite some time now. Own a large bottle, not a to-go y’know. IJ has the same none as in TUTH right then why did I get such negative responses this morning? Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/2 "2010-12-21T05:36:52Z")
Um wrong! TUTH has 2.5 mcg per spray IJ has **at least 10**. I guess you just either made that up or what, but no where does it say it has the same 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/3 "2010-12-21T05:39:57Z")
I dont get that IJ has more none but it’s TUTH everyone warns about OD’s and cautions about use in appropriate situations. Does it have to do with the steering molecules? ---
**Author:** ![silentscope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/silentscope/32/2218_2.png) [@silentscope](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/silentscope)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/4 "2010-12-21T05:41:47Z")
10 mcg per spray? > [@Steve](#): > > Um wrong! TUTH has 2.5 mcg per spray IJ has **at least 10**. I guess you just either made that up or what, but no where does it say it has the same 😕 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/5 "2010-12-21T05:42:39Z")
Oh and by the way, lol not that its to obvious you didn’t read anything on the store page about it 😉, but since you missed them I’ll post them here for yah. > [@](#): > > When you use Instant Jerk, it’ll show you in black and white that pheromones work, and just how powerful they can be. > > In fact, _we guarantee_ you’ll piss people off, get angrier than usual, and even earn some new enemies. > [@](#): > > **_Never_ use this at work** , or around children. Nobody wants a bully at work, and kids don’t need your crap, either. What we say on the Jerk label may be true, but we say it with humor… so please don’t kick any puppies, even if you feel that you’d like to! > > Also, don’t wear this at work, unless you happen to work somewhere where physically intimidating jerks get ahead. You know, rare jobs like bouncers and bounty hunters. > > For most jobs, you’re far better off using true trust & respect formulas like [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/), and friendly products such as [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). > > Lastly, don’t say we didn’t warn you! We did, and you agree to hold us harmless for anything you do while wearing Instant Jerk. > > We also want you to “Jerk responsibly”. Just because you’re going to feel more aggressive and will be treated by others as if you are aggressive, that doesn’t mean you have to go overboard. Even jerks need to restrain themselves! Don’t buy it if you can’t. Good luck at work, that is if you still have a job 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/6 "2010-12-21T06:23:36Z")
> [@KingKhan](#): > > Hi, > > Started the day with 2 sprays of IJ to either side of neck 30 minutes before leaving for work. > > My god!! This is the most forceful reaction to IJ I have ever had and I’ve been using it for quite some time now. Own a large bottle, not a to-go y’know. 25 mcgs of none to work… ! 😕 … that kinda none is suitable for work only if u r working as a collecting agent for the local loan shark ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/7 "2010-12-21T07:01:47Z")
> [@Digital\_B](#): > > I dont get that IJ has more none but it’s TUTH everyone warns about OD’s and cautions about use in appropriate situations. Does it have to do with the steering molecules? Are you kidding? IJ and tuth is not acceptable to work, unless you want to appear like a horndog. Tuth by itself makes you seem creepy, while IJ makes you seem like an a$$-hole… Girls don’t mind dealing with arse=holes but somehow, they don;'t like creeps. Why? You ask them. Their mind is like ocean waves, it constantly changes and is not logical; plus, it confuses us men continually, lol… Anyways, you use ig with jerk, so 12.5mcg of none + 12.5 mcg of rone, which means enone is somewhat buffered… If you add some IO and shine.. you get pretty much amped up amm0 1.5 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/8 "2010-12-21T07:08:21Z")
I know most of that, and never condoned either at work. I just never understood why I see more warning about OD with Tuth, but I guess it has to do with the sig it gives off. That amped up [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is about to be looking at some p83 and p79, and maybe a small reduction in none. I’m too excited, and hope for the big new years party to be the first testing ground. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/9 "2010-12-21T07:10:22Z")
> [@Digital\_B](#): > > I know most of that, and never condoned either at work. I just never understood why I see more warning about OD with Tuth, but I guess it has to do with the sig it gives off. > > That amped up Ammo is about to be looking at some p83 and p79, and maybe a small reduction in none. I’m too excited, and hope for the big new years party to be the first testing ground. hmm… I wonder how IJ works on asian girls, who don’t really favor -none 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/10 "2010-12-21T07:13:35Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > hmm… I wonder how IJ works on asian girls, who don’t really favor -none 😃 I’d imagine poorly, but the only asian chick I’ve hooked up with was on a none heavy night. Alcohol was involved in large quantities though. ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/11 "2010-12-21T07:35:28Z")
BAD start to a BAD idea 😮 No WORK for JERK!!!😛 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/12 "2010-12-21T07:59:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Their mind is like ocean waves, it constantly changes and is not logical; plus, it confuses us men continually, lol… Hey watch it Mister 😉 > [@](#): > > I know most of that, and never condoned either at work. I just never understood why I see more warning about OD with Tuth, but I guess it has to do with the sig it gives off. Probably because more men are drawn to TUTH due to its name. IJ is sort of self explanatory, The word Jerk is not complementary. Its designed to get you noticed not get you liked or laid. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![KingKhan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kingkhan/32/1073_2.png) [@KingKhan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KingKhan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/13 "2010-12-21T10:42:06Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Um wrong! TUTH has 2.5 mcg per spray IJ has **at least 10**. I guess you just either made that up or what, but no where does it say it has the same 😕 Steve, I was under the impression that IJ has the same none as TUTH. I didnt say I KNOW. Nevertheless I stand corrected. But I enjoyed the reaction all the same. ---
**Author:** ![KingKhan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kingkhan/32/1073_2.png) [@KingKhan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KingKhan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/14 "2010-12-21T10:49:25Z")
> [@GorMas2020](#): > > BAD start to a BAD idea 😮 No WORK for JERK!!!😛 Hey I wasnt out to accomplish anything other than pure testing. I.ve used the same combination in the same scenario earlier too but the reaction I got today was the most blatant and unbiased. Now I know the power of IJ. But what confuses me is why did I not get such a reaction in my earlier attempts. By the way, I live in Dubai and the subjects mentioned were of Asian origin, from India to be specific. So am I. Both were in their late 30s to early 40s. I am 47. And it’s not hot and humid here at this time of the year. Temps around 26C. Anymore dissections? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/15 "2010-12-21T15:20:02Z")
> [@KingKhan](#): > > Steve, I was under the impression that IJ has the same none as TUTH. I didnt say I KNOW. Nevertheless I stand corrected. But I enjoyed the reaction all the same. I was using that tongue in cheek, you know as a “JERK” to go along with the whole JERK persona. In other words I was messing around with you, joking. I’m sorry if I didn’t make that come across clearer:o That’s why I furthered with actual information. IJ = JERK and nobody likes a jerk at work 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/16 "2010-12-21T15:28:15Z")
I think this is somewhat subjective. I sometimes wear IJ to work. I’m a project manager though, so I can get away with it. I’m suppose to be a jerk in some cases and a facilitator in others. Maybe I should try jerk and [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) some day. Anyway my understanding of the TUTH OD vs the IJ OD is that TUTH is way more sexual. IJ can be sexual, but something in it is blocking the obvious possible sexual overtones (or are they under?) TUTH is the opposite. The steering molecules makes everyone think you are walking around with your meat hanging out. ---
**Author:** ![kairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4da419/32.png) [@kairn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kairn)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/17 "2010-12-21T15:34:41Z")
Wow - this thread was useful for me. I was always trying to think why anyone would WANT to look like a jerk. I guess there are some women who like ‘bad boys’. Is there any other useful purpose for IJ considering that it could cause such severe negative reactions? Another thing is: do your targets know that their minds are being screwed with? I mean, you’re the same ol’ nice guy they see everyday, yet all of a sudden they give you the stink eye. Are we all really so susceptible to remote control that our own judgment goes down the drain…? ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/18 "2010-12-21T16:26:15Z")
> [@KingKhan](#): > > Steve, I was under the impression that IJ has the same none as TUTH. I didnt say I KNOW. Nevertheless I stand corrected. But I enjoyed the reaction all the same. I had to laugh at your experience with Instant Jerk but I hope the below helps you with regards to the main pheromones: **Instant Jerk** : 15mcg of pheromones: 12.5mcg of Androste **NONE** , 2.5mcg of other? 15mcg per spray. **Turn Up The Heat** : 2.5mcg of pheromones, primarily androste **NONE.** **A314:** About 80%(?) Androste **R0NE** , with some Androste **NONE** and 7 other pheromones in the mix as well. This is an oil based, “drip it on” kind of product, 23.8mcg per drop. **Ammunition:** About 33% Androste **NONE** , 33% Alphanol, 33% Androste **R0NE**. 7.5mcg per spray. **Instant Gentlemen:** Mainly Androste **R0NE** , with one more unknown pheromone. 15mcg per spray. **Instant Honesty:** About 70% Betanol, 30% Alphanol roughly plus a 3rd pheromone. 15mcg per spray. **Instant Openness:** About 70% Alphanol, 30% Betanol. 15mcg per spray. **Instant Shine** : 12.5mcg [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) , 2.5mcg of two other pheromones. 15mcg per spray. * * * Consumer Line: AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, CTTM2 MX Series: MX297, MX301, MX330, MX391, MX392, MX394, MX395 Putatives: P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/19 "2010-12-21T16:41:09Z")
> [@kairn](#): > > Another thing is: do your targets know that their minds are being screwed with? I mean, you’re the same ol’ nice guy they see everyday, yet all of a sudden they give you the stink eye. Are we all really so susceptible to remote control that our own judgment goes down the drain…? Kairn, I believe they do not know that “their minds are being screwed with”. Their perceptions of you changes with your pheromone signature. As an example, lets say you are perceived to be a nice guy then you are caught doing something bad, people’s perception of you changes from then on. That is why most of us are here to get the edge in the initial perception by the opposite sex and if we are lucky, we might get the “fallout effect” with someone we are interested in/attracted to. * * * Consumer Line: AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, CTTM2 MX Series: MX297, MX301, MX330, MX391, MX392, MX394, MX395 Putatives: P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![kairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4da419/32.png) [@kairn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kairn)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091/20 "2010-12-21T16:46:03Z")
Thanks BigQ. From what you say, this is more serious than I thought - i.e. [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) make lasting impressions, same as people’s behavior or personality? This can be helpful and a pitfall - depending on how we use them…! Very interesting… [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-bad-start/44091.md?page=2)