# IJ doesn't contain copulins anymore? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 27, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034 "2011-08-27T19:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Raja\_the\_tiger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raja_the_tiger/32/686_2.png) [@Raja\_the\_tiger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Raja_the_tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/1 "2011-08-27T19:04:08Z")
I have a to-go of IJ from around July/August 2010 (don’t remember which order it came with - was a freebie) and was wondering if it contains copulins, or if that had been changed before I got mine? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/2 "2011-08-27T19:06:52Z")
Cops were removed a while back, yes but I can’t say when - however IJ has been cop-free for as long as I’ve been active here. IME, cops ain’t all that anyway - I’ve had them backfire just as often as they work, so the current version is actually better without them. ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/3 "2011-08-27T19:58:20Z")
For the self effects Copulins could have been a good test booster ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/4 "2011-08-27T20:24:53Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Cops were removed a while back, yes but I can’t say when - however IJ has been cop-free for as long as I’ve been active here. > > IME, cops ain’t all that anyway - I’ve had **them backfire just as often as they work** , so the current version is actually better without them. That’s what my logic has been telling me. Would I pursue a girl that smells of cum? Not so much, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Raja\_the\_tiger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raja_the_tiger/32/686_2.png) [@Raja\_the\_tiger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Raja_the_tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/5 "2011-08-27T23:51:23Z")
Well, I think it’s different in the sense that women pick up on the scent of the copulins from a guy who’s just had sex, which makes them think that there must be something about him that they’d want. A girl that smells like cum.. nty haha ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/6 "2011-08-28T00:04:19Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Cops were removed a while back, yes but I can’t say when - however IJ has been cop-free for as long as I’ve been active here. > > IME, cops ain’t all that anyway - I’ve had them backfire just as often as they work, so the current version is actually better without them. Yes this is true. Copulins are no longer present in IJ. In fact, now that I think about it, the only purpose of cops is to attract bisexual girls, and maybe some lezzies. I remember cops used to confuse a lot of guys around me; I smell like a girl so that turns them on but I’m a guy and they’re not gay so they have no clue what is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Raja\_the\_tiger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raja_the_tiger/32/686_2.png) [@Raja\_the\_tiger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Raja_the_tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/7 "2011-08-28T00:27:11Z")
> [@DotCom](#): > > Yes this is true. Copulins are no longer present in IJ. In fact, now that I think about it, the only purpose of cops is to attract bisexual girls, and maybe some lezzies. I remember cops used to confuse a lot of guys around me; I smell like a girl so that turns them on but I’m a guy and they’re not gay so they have no clue what is going on. If that’s the case I hope mine doesn’t contain the copulins! I still have yet to try my IJ and I’ve have it for a whole year. Kinda forgot I had it.. was kept with my empties. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/8 "2011-08-28T07:35:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes this is true. Copulins are no longer present in [IJ](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) . In fact, now that I think about it, the only purpose of cops is to attract bisexual girls, and maybe some lezzies. I remember cops used to confuse a lot of guys around me; I smell like a girl so that turns them on but I’m a guy and they’re not gay so they have no clue what is going on. Copulins usually dont attract Bi girls or lesbians when men wear them. They shouldn’t confuse guys either. They will not become attracted to you. Gay men like the male signature they cant stand copulins. If they where attracted to copulins they wouldn’t be gay men, they would be straight men. Men do not make copulins, the only way a man will have them on him is if he just had sex with a women or used them in a bottle but people dont tend to think of that so they go with the been with a women vibe. They dont make you smell like a girl they make you smell like you have been with a girl giving the player effect and signaling a in demand vibe. Some believe this player vibe or in demand vibe is attractive and it is to some women. Girls tend to want what other girls have and getting the vibe that other women find you worthy enough to sleep with sort of ups your value in a way. That being said, no copulins are not in IJ anymore. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/9 "2011-08-28T12:33:35Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Copulins usually dont attract Bi girls or lesbians when men wear them. Maybe not attract but some of my most violent reactions to cops were from Bi/lesbian women. 😮 And one surprising hit - A big and extremely butch bulldyke whose normal reaction to any sort of male physical attention (yes, she still gets hit-on! 😮 ) varied from utter and obvious disgust to lamping and flooring the hapless male, suddenly became incredibly friendly towards me and started hugging me tight and planting a huge sloppy kiss on me whenever we met! 😮 😮 😮 :o ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/10 "2011-08-28T16:33:36Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Maybe not attract but some of my most violent reactions to cops were from Bi/lesbian women. 😮 > > And one surprising hit - A big and extremely butch bulldyke whose normal reaction to any sort of male physical attention (yes, she still gets hit-on! 😮 ) varied from utter and obvious disgust to lamping and flooring the hapless male, suddenly became incredibly friendly towards me and started hugging me tight and planting a huge sloppy kiss on me whenever we met! > > 😮 😮 😮 :o Yes I understand that but the attraction your talking about is not because they see you as anything other then a man. You wearing copulins dosent cause confusion, it doesn’t signal your gay as Dom suggested. Gay men do not make copulins. More then likely you will get two kinds of hits from the Bi/Gay females. Blatant disinterest ones where they think your a manwhore and it disgusts them and hits from those who think your in demand. From straight women you will get some women who want what others have or had or women who just assume your taken and may find you attractive but wont respond because its against there values. I have heard men often say when caught cheating “I dont know how my wife knew she just sensed it” Its the copulins, its not conscious but we know when your wearing another woman’s smell. Women may not come right out and accuse you but plenty of men have reported there wives being moody suspicious and argumentative when men wear them. I have actually seen this occur with a few male copulin users. Copulins are difficult for a man to wear, this dosent mean its not possible but you really need to know what your doing. Even for women finding dosage can take a long time. On a male its best they fit your lifestyle. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/11 "2011-08-28T17:01:42Z")
Yes Tisha - that’s more or less why I gave-up on cops. Too difficult/unreliable to dose/use effectively. Wildly variable results and frankly, the sort of women who tended to respond to the manslut vibe were a bit unattractive in other ways - manipulative, low self-esteem, serially unfaithful, and a whole boatload of other issues. Women of any quality and with few self-respect issues tended to steer well clear. Oh and I’ve never had as many women tell me they were prostitutes and slip me ther numbers/offer discounts as I did when I wore cops! So I suppose that says something too? The bi-women’s reactions were most interesting - Yes very often it was not about me but triggered memories/issues relating to female partners - often in quite memorable, crockery-smashing/fighting/catty ways. I was quite glad to step back but the bottle is well sealed in my shed, should I want to try again. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/12 "2011-08-28T17:23:39Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Oh and I’ve never had as many women **tell me they were prostitutes and slip me ther numbers/offer discounts** as I did when I wore cops! So I suppose that says something too? If they read you as the type of man who needs a prostitute thats the wrong type of “social proof” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/13 "2011-08-28T18:11:53Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > If they read you as the type of man who needs a prostitute thats the wrong type of “social proof” 😉 Exactly! 🙂 But it has only ever happened significantly in the period I was using cops. Except for the time I worked in Amsterdam maybe but every guy in certain parts of town is liable to get frequent offers there. ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/14 "2011-08-28T21:58:19Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Copulins usually dont attract Bi girls or lesbians when men wear them. > > They shouldn’t confuse guys either. They will not become attracted to you. Gay men like the male signature they cant stand copulins. If they where attracted to copulins they wouldn’t be gay men, they would be straight men. > > Men do not make copulins, the only way a man will have them on him is if he just had sex with a women or used them in a bottle but people dont tend to think of that so they go with the been with a women vibe. > > They dont make you smell like a girl they make you smell like you have been with a girl giving the player effect and signaling a in demand vibe. > > Some believe this player vibe or in demand vibe is attractive and it is to some women. Girls tend to want what other girls have and getting the vibe that other women find you worthy enough to sleep with sort of ups your value in a way. > > That being said, no copulins are not in IJ anymore. > > Tisha Well it mustve been _something_ I wore because a couple a bisexual female friends were acting kinda aroused around me (pretty unusual for them) and my straight male friends were acting quite unusual as well. So yea, maybe it wasnt the cops but something else I wore. ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/15 "2011-08-28T22:40:03Z")
Copulins are a wildcard. To be used in mixes on only non date and daytime excursions. They do increase your testosterone levels upon smelling them so I have a 3rd party mix I use for working out or running errands. The hits I get are not dihl but these “you dirty dog looks” which I enjoy. I use cops mixes when not meeting women. If you are interested in a woman and you flirt with her with that " I just had sex smell with another woman" you are considered a pig and creepy. I have a normal work mix with A314 as a base with socials, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and some tac. When I add some cops the whole dynamic changes. Women give me that look that I just got some action. It’s not an “I’m attracted to you look” but they just seem to know. If a woman is fond of you and you flirt back and forth, the day you wear cops is the day you are a cheating pig. Cops are fun to use for the different reactions you get but they hijack every mix. I was walking thru Safeway shopping and the older gals gave me great looks, not the I want to meet you look but the hi five look. Even young women pick up on it. So regardless of what you wear, weather sexual and social, cops will hijack the blend. They are very pungent to me. I can also smell none but the cops are the worst offenders. I suspect NPA is mostly none and cops which may explain why women can get very agitated. They get really hot but they smell another woman on you, hence the cognitive dissonance. IJ is great since you can modify it with any social. You can’t change the signature of cops , you have just been with another woman. A womans achilles heel may be challenge and she wants to get that man, but she does not want a man that is already copulating with another woman. That’s just Darwinism. I use the cops when I go to home depot to pick up supplies, oh and working out…try it. Last note.. Be happy that cops are not in AD’s mixes because you can’t change there effects… Would limit any mix . My two loonies ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/16 "2011-08-28T23:03:38Z")
> [@](#): > > They do increase your testosterone levels upon smelling them so I have a 3rd party mix I use for working out or running errands. I find this interesting because in the Astrid Jutte tests they didnt raise mens testosterone unless worn by a women and these were repeated tests. However in the field the natural human element comes into play so you never know. AD not having copulins for the women is like them not having Anone for the men though. Yes they both have there draw backs but there is nothing quite like them that gets the result your looking for. They do hijack the male mixes but they are what makes the female mixes sexual. Its unfortunate they dont have them. > [@](#): > > If you are interested in a woman and you flirt with her with that " I just had sex smell with another woman" you are considered a pig and creepy. Exactly good way to word it. Bi females dont tend to care which is why they react. > [@](#): > > my straight male friends were acting quite unusual as well. We would have to know what else you were wearing to know that but I can guarantee you men were not attracted to you because of copulins Gay Bi or otherwise. Maybe they were surprised by the vibe if its a unusual one for you. Suddenly Dotcom is getting some and they are not so they want to know whats up. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/17 "2011-08-28T23:21:23Z")
Perhaps AD, And they may? have a copulins tester out. Perhaps for women. For a mens mix I would pass on the whole idea. Just an addititive for people to try and report on would be really interesting. I bet the reactions would be good, but I’m a scientist at heart. On this site, [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) signatures are sold and sought for attraction and positive reactions. I’m sure there are many mones that signify negative aswell. We only focus on what is appealing to us. Copulins I beleive are made for women. But then as a man can I smell copulins on a woman? If she wore extra? Or is it her eye’s that I like. Neverthe less ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/18 "2011-08-28T23:51:02Z")
Tisha, Copulins are not for men to wear, it confuses females. What I am seeing is “whats going on” I’m coverd with something that is different. If a man is with a woman and then he is with another woman, she can’t tell . So copulins are something different. They are not a positive pheromone. Can I coin that? a chemical trigger thet we are trying to understand. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/19 "2011-08-29T01:37:17Z")
> [@fishdude](#): > > Tisha, Copulins are not for men to wear, it confuses females. What I am seeing is “whats going on” I’m coverd with something that is different. > > **If a man is with a woman and then he is with another woman, she can’t tell**. So copulins are something different. They are not a positive pheromone. Can I coin that? > > a chemical trigger thet we are trying to understand. No I didnt say that, I said we can tell the smell of another women on a subconscious level. Its not really confusing. We know our own personal scent. I am not saying they are not for men to wear either I said they are difficult for males to get a handle on. Copulins are technically not [pheromones](https://a314.com/) as they are not derived from hormones but from fatty lipids and acids and the natural bacterial flora of the vagina. They are a substance that acts as a pheromone. As far as them being positive it depends on the vibe your wanting to send out and attract. If you just want to get laid and your not to choosy about who you lay then some girls are going to go for that just been with a women vibe. If you looking for long term or higher value women you wont get a positive response. In most cases they see you just as you described “a creepy pig” So to me its neither positive nor negative, it just may not be congruent with what you want. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034/20 "2011-08-29T04:16:51Z")
Tisha, by telling a man was with a woman on a subconsious level? When I am wearing cops these women can tell by the cops I was with another woman regardless of my demeanor. It’s like a slap to them … Men (and women) can be unfaithful and we look for clues to back our suspisions. But the cops are a smoking gun I have found [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-doesnt-contain-copulins-anymore/52034.md?page=2)