# IJ OD? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 11, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748 "2011-08-11T08:01:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Metal\_354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Metal\_354](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Metal_354)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/1 "2011-08-11T08:01:33Z")
Any IJ users ever experience an overdose with 2 sprays? I use 2 sprays of IS and one spray of IO on the wrist but the IJ still seems too powerful. What would be a good buffer to use in combination ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/2 "2011-08-11T08:24:02Z")
Socials, like the IS and IO are typically how you counter the heavy -none and copulin effect of IJ, but you’re really wasting pheros if that’s what you’re doing. It’s kinda like getting the best car stereo money can buy, a monster amp, and a whole truckload of speakers… only to play the volume at 3. IJ hits hard and if you want to cancel that effect, why wear it in the first place? You’d be better off getting some EOW and adding a little bit to TUTH or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/3 "2011-08-11T08:50:35Z")
Erm…? Pretty-much, IJ - at **any dose** is an overdose. Controlled/regulated by its steering molecules maybe but the whole purpose of IJ is to make use of the powerful properties of a lot of none. What situations did you wear it in and what effects were you looking for or what did you want to project? One spray each of IS/IO would not be enough to moderate it, although it may steer it slightly. Data4 - Cops were taken out of IJ some time ago, so unless the OP has an old batch, that won’t be part of the issue. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 11:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/4 "2011-08-11T11:12:56Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Data4 - Cops were taken out of IJ some time ago, so unless the OP has an old batch, that won’t be part of the issue. Really? I wasn’t aware. Been out of the loop, and I still use Dirty for copping up my mixes. So I’m guessing it’s now Androtics’ answer to NPA, i.e. heavy -none with a couple of steering mones? ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/5 "2011-08-11T11:23:56Z")
> [@data4](#): > > Really? I wasn’t aware. Been out of the loop, and I still use Dirty for copping up my mixes. So I’m guessing it’s now Androtics’ answer to NPA, i.e. heavy -none with a couple of steering mones? Nothing by it but IJ with cop or alone is nothing compare to NPA ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/6 "2011-08-11T11:24:09Z")
> [@data4](#): > > Really? I wasn’t aware. Been out of the loop, and I still use Dirty for copping up my mixes. So I’m guessing it’s now Androtics’ answer to NPA, i.e. heavy -none with a couple of steering mones? Don’t know about that - I find NPA a very different creature to IJ. On an arc, I would say NPA sits somewhere between Ammo and TUTH. Probably closer to TUTH but less overt and more usable in a reasonably social manner. As for IJ, I get the feeling it is more steered in an abrasive/assertive/highly masculine way, not overtly sexual per-se, although it can go that way rapidly when you meet someone turned-on by that kind of sig. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/7 "2011-08-11T11:29:05Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Don’t know about that - I find NPA a very different creature to IJ. On an arc, I would say NPA sits somewhere between Ammo and TUTH. Probably closer to TUTH but less overt and more usable in a social manner. > > As for IJ, I get the feeling it is more steered in an abrasive/assertive/highly masculine way, not overtly sexual per-se, although it can go that way rapidly when you meet someone turned-on by that kind of sig. I’ve always considered NPA to be a megadose of -none, and never really gave the other pheros it contains a second thought. Of course, it is pretty concentrated as it’s intended to be an additive (hence **N** ew\*\* P\*\*heromone **A** dditive). My former understanding of IJ was a lot of -none and cops, with a little steering, but not a whole lot. It was originally marketed as a “proving” phero blend, to wear when you just flat-out wanted to elicit a reaction-- ANY reaction. So, with the removal of the cops, I assumed it was still a lot of -none, which made me draw the comparison with NPA. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 11:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/8 "2011-08-11T11:34:44Z")
Yup - IJ is certainly a lot of none but whatever the dose/mixing, I think NPA is moderated differently. I’ve never had the sort of raw/visceral/shock reactions that I routinely get with IJ - Which is certainly a reaction! 😮😃 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/9 "2011-08-11T13:32:36Z")
I disagree with the idea that buffering Jerk is a “waste” of product. Following that logic the Nol and None in Ammo would cancel each other out and have no effect. I think a better way of describing it would be to think of adding IJ to your signal as turning up the volume, but adding socials like IO and Shine as adjusting the equalizer so you get a better sound…not simply more sound. I’ve found that I get the best results from IJ when I use Shine and IO in either equal portions each for each spray of jerk, or one spray above. IE: For one spray of Jerk, 1-2 sprays each of IO and Shine, for 2 Sprays of Jerk, 2-3 sprays each of Shine and IO. The socials are the majority in this mix but make no mistake, given how strong and reaction inspiring None can be they hardly overpower the jerk vibe. The way I see it, Jerk by itself can be ridiculously attractive to some women, but not most, even then it’s difficult imo to at one be congruent, while at the same time avoiding going overboard. Not enough congruence and the signal is ignored, too much and everyone hates you. With the social buffers it’s like adding the “funny” to “cocky/funny” style pickup. You’ll get people telling you that you’re a jerk, asshole, arrogant prick etc. But guys will say it in a joking and friendly way and women will say it with that flirty smirk that tells you they’re attracted. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/10 "2011-08-11T13:49:25Z")
TBH, the best buffer I’ve found for IJ is A314. Awsome status/attraction/impact but everyone seems to catch their breath and tread very softly around you. Sort of a Michael Caine in Get Carter vibe! [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/4/4240c1623d98ed45265757adc68f9deebee3c2ee.jpeg) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmpj1uaTBh1qzt48ao1_500.jpg) [http://movieodyssey.com/files/2009/05/hitman-carter.jpg](http://movieodyssey.com/files/2009/05/hitman-carter.jpg) And yes, I can do the congruence very well - even without the shotgun! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ij-od/51748/11 "2011-08-11T13:59:07Z")
@Mobo: Yea, though for me I think I’m a bit too sensitive to none. Probably should try a lower dose of a314/IJ but it really gets me cranky very quickly.