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Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Initial testing has not panned out well. A314b 1 spray , 2 sprays ammo , and 4 sprays shine put me into a rather pissy mood, I was rather upset I was hardly getting ioi anywhere I went , and I seemed to intimidate the hell out of younger people. In fact people who cater to me but it seemed more because they would get into trouble with their manager rather than because they DESIRE to help me out.

Testing in public places yielded virtually no looks, no help in stores, serious intimidation from sales reps etc.

Dating wise I was with my gf and I was more like a sour puss than a great date.

All in all so far this has been a huge disappointment compared to wolf which makes me feel like a celebrity.

ONE good thing did come out of a314 mix though.. The next day my gf was really possessive of me when I even spoke about other women.. She normally never is.. Its as if she wanted to own me.. So clinginess is definitely there.

But I think that doesn’t justify the other problems of the mix.

A314 seems great for negotiations, senior management, hiring, and firing interviews. Even with ammo and IS in there it was WAY to serious for most people.

Best hits came from old farts 40+ who looked like they saw me as a guy interested more in politics than pussy.. Which is in fact the opposite of what I am!

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Wow. Your reaction/responses with that mix are certainly the opposite of mine!

But we’re all different. Thanks for showing me a different result. I’ll consider the person before recommending A314 to them. Now that I think about it, I can think of a few people who might not do well with it, and I can only do 1 spr of 1.32b myself.

I’m particularly surprised that 4 spr of IS didn’t tame 1 spr of A314, but I can see why.

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Use just one spray of 314 B by itself. Perhaps one spray of AMMO. Leave off the Shine. Two sprays of AMMO may be too much. 314 B is delicately balanced. People are not used to your signature and the extra -enone is throwing them off. Do please like I instructed for the other guy. Don’t mix it with cologne and everything else.

Before jumping to any conclusions, understand: You will search many hours to find any credible source online about exactly what a normal -enone mcg signature is. Many opinions. Few facts. My slightly informed opinion is about 2 mcg is what to use everywhere outside of bars and clubs. Before surrendering, try following the testing protocol. Test one spray of A314 alone. Try it for a week or two. Then, add one spray of AMMO to it. There is a sweet spot just like the oil.

You need to become partly congruent with it. Just like the oil. Just like it says in the store instructions. If you use the bottle and get nothing, put in your ZenDesk claim and move on.

However, as we all know, there is no Gilroy. If Wolf were perfect, 314 would not exist. Wolf would own 100% market share and we would not be talking about them. We are, because they aren’t.

You really don’t need that much AMMO day game, unless your full urine androgen metabolites are utterly awful and your aromatization is too girly. Consider taking DHEA. There is a reason 314 is low in -enone.

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Next outing 1 spray a314 , 1 spray ammo. Will try and test this out next week two or three times. I wont jump to any further conclusions until I give it a run.

Youre right a314 has a place much like wolf.. Id say a314 is the manager or director whereas wolf is the team leader if were talking a typical business setting.

Both roles have a place in todays world. Team leaders tend to be more social and less power hungry and very motiviational, managers more forceful, powerful and slightly less social.

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Gave a314, ammo a try 1 spray each.

Now good and bad.

This mix:
a) Not the best IOI generator so attraction visual wise is limited

b) Seems to attract older women. I found most hits from 28 + group

c) Seems to improve service. Often at restaurants my tea cup was refilled and water brought out repeatedly.

d) Isnt the best social. I mean dating wise even with ammo in there it more a Donald trump vibe businessman than a VIP celebrity.. this is the main diff between a314 and wolf. With a314 your getting hits because of respect and trust and with wolf the hits and more celebrity status and a leader whose free to roam amongst the peers.. With a314 your the dominant man period.

e) I get the impression sex comes slower with this mix than wolf. With wolf and something like primitive you can score much easier. With this mix theres more fallout and growing attachment but that’s because older women generally think your a good choice to pop babies with rather than downright screw. Which do you want!

f) Driving is fantastic with this mix.. Man I drive like James bond.. Fast and furious… :slight_smile: Thinking is also better. It really does bring out my smart side.. Im more likely to talk smarter. Wolf doesn’t seem to make me talk or think smarter.

g) In the end after several usages I realize both these have a place.. Think when a314 came out 15 years ago. The economy was great, more people were marrying etc.. The perfect mix for the time. Fast forward to todays world. If you want young pussy they aren’t surrounded by men earning big bucks like CEOs etc. Also a lot of the younger women these ways are not even thinking about marriage and popping out babies till they hit 30 or so. I myself don’t want to give an OLDER woman the impression I want to have children with her before I DO HER. This is where wolf shines. Your the VIP celebrity still getting good service.. And young beautiful girls 19-30 really do like the popular celebrity. Wolf also maintains its aura as the man to take orders from. You have to flirt with a woman and socialize with her to think its ok for her to see you as dating potential. Some wolf + primitive (both LAL products) and your young babe is in the mood to screw sooner than later.

h) I think theres a market for both products. A314 the businessman , who gains authority and respect like a manager , and wolf the celebrity who has money but is not just business but a VIP who is thus wealthy and powerful as a side effect.

I) My own consensus. A314 and ammo though good are 15 y.o technology. They still work, but for my specific needs wolf primitive is going to be used more often. One thing a314 has than wolf doesn’t is fallout. With wolf your the celebrity popular amazing guy not the one they obsess about because theyre emotionally attached. if I wanted VERY LTR I would choose a314 and pick a more compatible marrying partner. But I don’t want that.. Just short term girlfriends.

This has been my interpretation using wolf and a314 each about a week now. Further testing may yield different results but I seriously doubt it.

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It’s a honest and fair review.

However,

Androtics is only ten years old.

Are you really getting dates and more with attractive women 10 years younger than you?

With what products?

If so, for God’s sake, whatever mix is getting you younger women, draw every dime out of your account and buy a supply to last ten years. Right now.

Don’t walk. Run. And buy every bottle of Wolf.

Are you turning down action from women over 30? Dude, give it over. All of them. I will take them all and thank you very much.

The AMMO + 314 B combo is so dead cheap. It will last numerous weekends. Any sex with good looking people of similar age (give or take 5 years) is OK by me.

It seems like you are trying to sell Wolf to yourself. If you were happy, why go eleswhere? I don’t understand. Your actions don’t make sense to me.

PS:

I’m not a commissioned salesman for 314. I wish you luck with AMMO + Wolf or whatever. Forgive me if I don’t have time to reply further. If you like and need help with Androtics products I will try. LAL seems like a good co., and I have no issue if anyone prefers it.

I can say that while issuing dozens of beta mixes sounds wasteful (XS), this company (PTalk) was built on innovation. In the last few years, it has failed to execute that mission. To pretend otherwise fools no one but fools themselves. All of the MX’s a several years old. Most of my motivation for testing and reporting on my own mixes is very hard to sustain. Brian made a call for new MX’s in Feb. Nothing has happened. This same situation has happened before.

I am very patient and loyal naturally. Garry does not do many beta mixes or single mones. Maybe he has a better game plan. I don’t know. I know there has been 4 years of talk and not much action. I don’t blame people for running out of steam.

If January rolls around and another year passes and nothing changes…no, I am not going to bother with P114 or P123 or whatever. I don’t want to hear any promises next year about how great 2015 will be. Either I want to see it, or I don’t care.

And, if SteveO wants to own 50% of the market share, I guess he earned it. But I’m still not buying his shit. Garry is different. I would buy Wolf. I wouldn’t use or endorse XiSt for free.

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I was under the impression a314 juice was available since my mid twenties which was 20 years ago.. I am glad you cleared it up..

Im getting dates with a 23 y.o. I usually can pass for 25-30 so often times I get dates, kissing and more before age issue is even discussed.. I ask their age but they don’t seem to ask mine, as most younger women I date seem to love to talk about themselves :slight_smile: LOL. Sometimes sex has happened before they’ve even asked my age :slight_smile: By that time its usually THEM who are pressing for a relationship not me! Keep in mind these women aren’t 10s.. I get IOIs from 10s, numbers and conversations etc, but most women I am closing with are 7-8s in my book look wise. Most aren’t very wealthy or extroverted. Many have completed education and working in cafes etc. So to them I am a catch.

Turning down sex with women over 30… NO .. Just that I find my own sex drive is lagging these days which is why I prefer younger women and not 30 something milfs who are sex addicts. I think if I was in my 20s id easily do 30 somethings. I don’t think I can keep up with highly sexed women. Most young women I close with I don’t do that often which is a godsend for them as most of them think guys their age just want sex.

Also lets not only give credit to the mones.. Im sufficiently established as a business man and as a musician now.. So I have good income and two trades , one intellectual, one artistic.. I also like bodybuilding and fashion and spend a LOT of money on looks.

It comes down to finding these pickings.. You wont find them in bars and nightclubs. Too much competition there – Scoring with women that young in places like that Id really HAVE TO BE BOND. :slight_smile:

Im also SEEN with MANY young women, as I have numerous beautiful young friends too, or have dated older women that can pass for 20s. Call me lucky but young women seem to seek me out more often.

Wolf has definitely played a role. You’ve got to flirt though.. If your just professional that’s all you get out of it.