# i'm close to returning this stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [January 26, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750 "2010-01-26T21:21:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/1 "2010-01-26T21:21:38Z")
i’ve used this at work for weeks in a row. i’ve used half the bottle and I haven’t yet seen result one. all of my co-workers treat me the same as they always have. including the receptionist whom I can’t stand and never treats me with real respect. i’ve worn it in social situations and noone has acted out of the ordinary around me and my g/f notices when i wear it only because she swears that i’m wearing baby powder. no self effects either. I’m close to returning this crap unless anyone can give me advice that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/2 "2010-01-27T01:13:03Z")
> [@queixada](#): > > i’ve used this at work for weeks in a row. i’ve used half the bottle and I haven’t yet seen result one. all of my co-workers treat me the same as they always have. including the receptionist whom I can’t stand and never treats me with real respect. i’ve worn it in social situations and noone has acted out of the ordinary around me and my g/f notices when i wear it only because she swears that i’m wearing baby powder. no self effects either. I’m close to returning this crap unless anyone can give me advice that helps. Sorry things aren’t going so well for you. Have you tried contacting Steve or customer service? If anyone can help you out, I’m sure Steve can. Having said that, why don’t we start with the basics. What are you using, where are you using it (where on the body are you applying) and how much have you been using? I was pretty frustrated at first but I am now very happy with how the pheros have been working for me. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/3 "2010-01-27T05:30:29Z")
Hmm, A314 and Instant Shine (I noticed your “thumbs down” thingie) are two of my favorites. How much A314 are you using at one time? Where are you applying it? Do you use it by itself? And for the Instant Shine, same questions. Personally, I have found I need to use quite a bit to get the desired effects. I order it in 4x, and find two sprays to be a real pick-me-up. You should be able to return these products, I believe they have a “money back guarantee”. You should try giving Steve a call (on their 800 number), he is extremely knowledgeable, and also truly cares if things are not working for you. Not every product will necessarily work for every person, and you may be one of those few who A314 does not work for (though I really hope you are not, its really that good, at least to me, it is an experience nobody should miss). Maybe its something you are doing, or not doing. Also, remember that people who have been used to your old signature for awhile will take some time getting used to your new one. Have you tried wearing the A314 with anything else? I have found it to go quite well with Instant Shine or [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). ---
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/4 "2010-01-28T20:53:19Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Sorry things aren’t going so well for you. Have you tried contacting Steve or customer service? If anyone can help you out, I’m sure Steve can. > > Having said that, why don’t we start with the basics. What are you using, where are you using it (where on the body are you applying) and how much have you been using? I was pretty frustrated at first but I am now very happy with how the pheros have been working for me. I wear a button down dress shirts to work so i usually roll up the sleeves and apply a drop or two (sometimes three) between my forearms and a little behind my head in the sub-occipital area. I’ve tried wearing it every workday for about 3 weeks and i really don’t think anyone around me has acted peculiar in any way. i’ve tried od-ing in social situations with about 5 drops at once and no one has ever acted strangely in any way. ---
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/5 "2010-01-28T20:56:00Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > Hmm, A314 and Instant Shine (I noticed your “thumbs down” thingie) are two of my favorites. > > How much A314 are you using at one time? Where are you applying it? Do you use it by itself? > > And for the Instant Shine, same questions. Personally, I have found I need to use quite a bit to get the desired effects. I order it in 4x, and find two sprays to be a real pick-me-up. > > You should be able to return these products, I believe they have a “money back guarantee”. You should try giving Steve a call (on their 800 number), he is extremely knowledgeable, and also truly cares if things are not working for you. > > Not every product will necessarily work for every person, and you may be one of those few who A314 does not work for (though I really hope you are not, its really that good, at least to me, it is an experience nobody should miss). > > Maybe its something you are doing, or not doing. Also, remember that people who have been used to your old signature for awhile will take some time getting used to your new one. Have you tried wearing the A314 with anything else? I have found it to go quite well with Instant Shine or Instant Honesty. i usually wear it by itself at work. although i have tried mixing it with IS and TUTH with no definite reactions from people. subtle references to liking the smell of my cologne, but nothing i’d call a hit ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/6 "2010-01-28T21:13:40Z")
Try wearing it a drop each behind your ear in a downward fashion, and on your neck pulse points. Also, how is the temperature when you use it? It could possibly also be the fact that perhaps it’s not diffusing well because of the temperature (or your body heat) not being warm enough to help diffuse the heavy oil. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/7 "2010-01-29T06:43:21Z")
You just might be one of those very few people that A314 does not work for, and if so, there’s probably nothing you can do about it, unfortunately. Except to return it to the store, they should give you your money back, they are really good about things like that. Or you could send it to me, j/k 😉 ---
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/8 "2010-02-01T18:14:04Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Try wearing it a drop each behind your ear in a downward fashion, and on your neck pulse points. Also, how is the temperature when you use it? It could possibly also be the fact that perhaps it’s not diffusing well because of the temperature (or your body heat) not being warm enough to help diffuse the heavy oil. behind the ears and on my neck are only a few inches away from where i’m placing it now so i don’t see how the change will help, but i do appreciate the thought. i’m wearing it in a physical therapy office which is at a constant 68 deg. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/9 "2010-02-01T20:46:41Z")
> [@queixada](#): > > behind the ears and on my neck are only a few inches away from where i’m placing it now so i don’t see how the change will help, but i do appreciate the thought. i’m wearing it in a physical therapy office which is at a constant 78 deg. No problem bud, I am sorry that it isn’t working for you though. Sometimes we’re all different as you may know, but if I were you I’d say wait until a hot Summer to come around and wait to wear A314 outside in the hot Summer heat. The heat will definitely help diffuse it, but if you really want to return it I understand too. Have you tried IG? Or perhaps ExperiMone Androsterone? ---
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/10 "2010-02-02T19:40:20Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Have you tried IG? Or perhaps ExperiMone Androsterone? neither. at 28, i’m not exactly a teenager anymore so i never had any interest in IG. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/11 "2010-02-02T20:18:39Z")
> [@queixada](#): > > neither. at 28, i’m not exactly a teenager anymore so i never had any interest in IG. You don’t have to be young to use IG. Where’d you get that he, he? I use it with success my self. ---
**Author:** ![queixada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/97f17d/32.png) [@queixada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queixada)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/12 "2010-02-04T03:10:43Z")
hmm…i just figured it was better suited to the younger guy wanting to seem more worldly/mature/sophisticated/older than you actually are etc. really i was just looking for something to give me the alpha vibe at work, nothing social. although i wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some ammo ; ) ---
**Author:** ![bman123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bman123/32/2087_2.png) [@bman123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bman123)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/13 "2010-02-12T00:53:26Z")
> [@queixada](#): > > hmm…i just figured it was better suited to the younger guy wanting to seem more worldly/mature/sophisticated/older than you actually are etc. really i was just looking for something to give me the alpha vibe at work, nothing social. although i wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some ammo ; ) try using P79. it intensifies the effects ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/14 "2010-02-18T03:27:28Z")
Have you made a conscious effort to act the part? I mean having a [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) signature that says “Dominant Alpha Male” is all well and good. But if you walk around carrying yourself like Peter Gibbons in “Office Space”, nothing is going to help. Here would be my honest suggestion. And it’s fairly doable since the return guarantee is good for like a whole year. Stop using the A314 for a while and just focus on playing the part as it is. Work on your own body language, posture, the power and tone of your voice, eye contact, how firm your handshake is etc. Basically all the little things about ourselves that we don’t pay attention to. I would also strongly recommend any book by John C Maxwell, the man is a Leadership guru, “Developing the Leader Within” and the Maxwell Daily Reader are great books for developing the personality traits and strategies of a great charismatic leader. Now for sake of arguments let’s say your respect level at work on a 1-10 scale is about a 6…you’re not “Tha Man” but you’re still from being company whipping boy. See how far you progress without the A314 for a while but using just some conscious work on your body language and personal growth in the leadership skills area. See if you perceive any change in other peoples respect level toward you. Say you notice an increase from a 6 to say 8 and then in plateau’s, with little or no further improvement but no backsliding either. NOW add the A314 and see if it gives you that extra boost to level 9 or 10. If it doesn’t then it just doesn’t work for you, but you still got SOME improvement via other forms of self work. If it does then you know it does work as a little bit of an edge, but just needed more congruency on your part. ---
**Author:** ![p27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c67d28/32.png) [@p27](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/p27)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/15 "2010-02-26T22:35:50Z")
same results as the op but only for 3 days. applying it correctly and acting congruent as well. ammo is working, but not a314. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/16 "2010-02-27T14:20:34Z")
So far I gotta say A314 is a great product. I understand what people mean when they say the results are subtle. It’s actually a tough product to back up when you wear it. I think some people get it and assume it means that people will automatically give them respect and admiration. It hasn’t been that way. If you’re not playing the part the conflicting messages of your signal vs your body language and behavior will neutralize the effect. I prefer to see it more along the lines of, if you are working on self improvement with the goal of becoming and being perceived as more alpha and dominant, wearing A314 will smooth the transition with other people you know that might already have preconceived notions about you. Let’s face it, if you suddenly tried acting like what you consider a strong confident dominant alpha male and that’s not how your family and friends already perceive you, then working toward that might be met with resistance on their part. Perhaps even mocking you for “trying to act like something your not” or suddenly “acting like you’re the shit”. That’s why I think A314 is best used in conjunction with a structured personal development plan. I’m a huge fan of Maxwell’s and I think following the instructions in his books on leadership and brainstorming ways to apply the principles to various areas of your life besides work would add congruency to the A314 and using the A314 would make you learning and following those principles easier for others to accept. They will SENSE a change in you that supports the changed behavior. If they interpret only one, then you will be met with resistance imo. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/17 "2010-03-03T04:33:50Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > So far I gotta say A314 is a great product. I understand what people mean when they say the results are subtle. It’s actually a tough product to back up when you wear it. I think some people get it and assume it means that people will automatically give them respect and admiration. It hasn’t been that way. If you’re not playing the part the conflicting messages of your signal vs your body language and behavior will neutralize the effect. > > I prefer to see it more along the lines of, if you are working on self improvement with the goal of becoming and being perceived as more alpha and dominant, wearing A314 will smooth the transition with other people you know that might already have preconceived notions about you. > > Let’s face it, if you suddenly tried acting like what you consider a strong confident dominant alpha male and that’s not how your family and friends already perceive you, then working toward that might be met with resistance on their part. Perhaps even mocking you for “trying to act like something your not” or suddenly “acting like you’re the shit”. That’s why I think A314 is best used in conjunction with a structured personal development plan. I’m a huge fan of Maxwell’s and I think following the instructions in his books on leadership and brainstorming ways to apply the principles to various areas of your life besides work would add congruency to the A314 and using the A314 would make you learning and following those principles easier for others to accept. > > They will SENSE a change in you that supports the changed behavior. If they interpret only one, then you will be met with resistance imo. So true and the very reason I posted quite a while ago that A314 is serious stuff for serious users. ---
**Author:** ![ZombielandMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c89c15/32.png) [@ZombielandMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ZombielandMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-close-to-returning-this-stuff/35750/18 "2010-03-03T22:39:44Z")
I have to agree with Steve here 100% … the effect that A314 has on folks is very subtle (the more you learn to read people, the more you see it). But what’s interesting is how persuasive it is overall. It’s like a gentle guiding hand, rather than an armlock or a slap around the head. I’d rate A314 as being a long-term modifier, and the more you use it around the same people, the more their opinion of you changes. > [@Steve](#): > > So true and the very reason I posted quite a while ago that A314 is serious stuff for serious users.