# Im Distressed **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 11, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878 "2009-05-11T21:46:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 12:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/21 "2009-05-12T12:26:51Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > …They [copulins] are volatile short chain fatty acids. If you store them a long time they become rancid, just like other oils or fats. Once they become rancid all you can do is throw them out (or preferably, bury them very deep.)… Have any of you had copulin products go bad? Is this an issue in a spray bottle where they are relatively isolated from oxygen? How about a sealed reagent bottle? How does one tell if something this maloderous is starting to go “off”? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/22 "2009-05-12T13:30:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Is this an issue in a spray bottle where they are relatively isolated from oxygen? I keep all my pure cops in a metal air tight container and have had some of bottles for years and they have not even begun to break down. Not even the industrial ones I have. Its not a issue with the alcohol containing sprays only the pure oil form. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/23 "2009-05-12T13:36:52Z")
I have some Eow from LS that is several (4 or 5?) years old and had dissolved its rubber dropper so I transferred it to a closed bottle after the first year or so. It has mellowed some compared to its initial acidic stink but has not turned rancid in the least. If anything it is more usable now. I have never heard of anyone having their EoW “spoil” and I’ve been following the forums for all these years. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/24 "2009-05-12T13:45:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Don’t know whether Androtics appreciate your honesty (I’m sure that they’re probably checking their consumer products now - I meant it in a good way!). But I really admire you standing up for all of us [aka](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) busting your ass to get things like they were before. I am sure they dont appreciate it. LOL They dont need to check them, thats my point. I believe they know. After all a quality lab has quality control over there products. I know that they are perfectionists on quality so my only deduction can be they know. Knowing or not knowing its not good business either way. I called my brothers lab and he asked me to send two viles one old and one new and he will check them. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/25 "2009-05-12T13:55:02Z")
I want to thank Tisha for bringing up this topic. I’ve gotten tired of waiting for Androtics to get back in the copulins business and have found another vendor with cops formulas that work just fine, and they employ a variety of pleasing phero perfume blends as well. Androtics has been a great company and has much to recommend it, but can sometimes be incredibly slow on the uptake as far as acting on the abundant and supportive consumer feedback they get. The very harsh public slamming of competitors is something I don’t appreciate, either. If your product quality speaks for itself, you don’t have to do that. Making inflammatory claims against your competitors (who are smaller than you) just makes you look really bad, and makes me question your own integrity. Taking care of your OWN business and not speaking of others at all would work better here, I think. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/26 "2009-05-12T15:36:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > … > > I may not be on the Payroll here but I do bust my ass for this company and one of the reasons I have in the past and do still is because of there dedication to the quality of products and to the consumers using them. > Because it was not about the money for them it was about producing products that work. > > … > > Thank you, It was not a easy thing to do on my part. If I suddenly disappear you will know why 😃 I have never been one to sit quiet when I see a wrong being done or make excuses for them. My days are numbered my friend. But remember this, if I do end up not participateing anymore its not because I dont love this company or its members. Its because I told you the truth. > > … > > I love helping the new people and the more experienced members with there pheromonal experience but it will be a cold day in hell before I lie to them or claim a product will do something I know damn well it can no longer do. They know it to. > > … > > I apprieciate your defending Androtics and I know that I am putting my ass on the line. We should have been told. Plain and simple. > > Tisha **([Quote Details: Harper Lee: I wanted you to... - The Quotations Page](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1765.html)) [http://www.quotationspage.com/icon\_info.gif](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1765.html)[http://www.quotationspage.com/icon\_plus.gif](http://www.quotationspage.com/myquotations.php?add=1765)[http://www.quotationspage.com/icon\_email.gif](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1765.html#email)** _**![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/6/661711abe382105cdba6e93ac5725abb8416ead1.gif) [Harper Lee](http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Harper_Lee/) (1926 - ), To Kill a Mockingbird, 1960**_ ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/27 "2009-05-12T19:06:32Z")
well i have been posting diligently in my journal about the mixes, and thankfully i still have the mx134 that works awesome but not so much mx300. i use twice as much to get my hits, but i basically chalked that up to being in a to-go bottle. i just want to remind everyone that Androtics was up front about not having the copulins. i totally understand the hits being different. they SHOULD be without copulins. copulins are basically the only sexual agent in any mix, with all the feminine [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) being just that- _feminine_. this equates to social, girly, sensual. to get the **sexxay** we need cops. i dont think Androtics lead anyone to believe anything different, but i will state for the record i use a _huge_ amount of cops, love them, and will continue to do so until something more refined is created. im personally not stressing over having to add cops to Androtics already effective mixes. i would have added more cops anyway, thats how i roll 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Islandhopper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@Islandhopper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Islandhopper)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/28 "2009-05-12T19:46:44Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Yes MX134 should have trace amounts of cops. > > First let me say MX300 has never been as good as MX134 even though it says the scent is the only difference. It also happened to come out after the cops ran low. > > Without it in there both me and Mare find we still get the respect and awe but not the attentiveness that I love about MX134. > > For example with the old product at work, People act more respectfully. My boss stayed off my ass. When I said anything even stupid crap people would all stop and pay attention like I was gonna say something deep and profound. I could be saying “Pass the sugar” and they shake there heads up and down like they know just where I am coming from and how I feel LOL I still get this with MX134. > > The part I always got with the old mix and not with the new mix is this… > > I work with mostly men, and I notice with the old mix they would be attentive. Not sexually but if I was picking up something heavy they would jump to my aid. If I was rolling my hamper to my truck they would do it for me. If I said, I’m hungry within a few minutes there would be a muffin on my desk. > > Now its not the end of my world. I dont need them to help me but its still is different then what I am used to from Mx134. > > Tisha HI Tish, can you tell me where you can get EOW … i am fairly new but have tried IH, IS/A, IS/B, IS, Io, EST, and M134… i am confused as to if you can say which ones have cops in them or not… i havent been consistant with my experiments and reportings as life gets busy alot but plan on doing so in the very near future… my question i guess right now is where can i get EOW that i have been reading about since that seems to be the one that has the biggest COPS… i too will order more through androtics, but havent found any thing that says it contains the cops with a punch so to speak… if you can help me, please do.. i am going to start experimenting on a more consistant basis, and cant wait to share…i also love reading all of this…looking forward to being informed about the cops as i have no clue where to get them for now until Androtics comes out with more.. thanks so much Islandhopper ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/29 "2009-05-12T22:04:08Z")
Bummer. I wonder if this affects IJ. I had gotten a bottle quite a bit ago that had some interesting effects (and an interesting smell) which had convinced me to recently buy a full bottle of the stuff. I haven’t used the new bottle yet, nor even smell tested it. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/30 "2009-05-12T22:12:25Z")
You can get EOW (Essence of Women) at Lovescent If you need to spike your products until Androtics comes up with a Alternative this is the best option available. pretty much the only option as pure cops go. The [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) line and MX134 MX300 MX135 will be the main ones lacking in copulins. > [@](#): > > i dont think Androtics lead anyone to believe anything different, > but i will state for the record i use a _huge_ amount of cops, > love them, and will continue to do so until something more refined is created. It was asked in the beginning when the cops ran out in the custom section. We were told any cops they have were being saved for the mixes that required them and they took priority over customizations. I pmed Jas on this as well asking when the cops would be ready and asked why MX134 was out of stock. This was a while ago when it was out for a few weeks. Then MX300 came out. IJ still has cops in it at least I smell them there. Anywhoo… members here did not just assume the cops were not there because the customization option was gone. As I said its not the end of the world for the experienced user, we pretty much know what we are doing. We can advise new people on how to spike there products with cops if need be. I just have to wonder now how many new people gave up on mones when they didnt see the results we were all reporting. Whats upsetting to me is that I inadvertingly lied to them and it will come back to me. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dolly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dolly/32/1591_2.png) [@dolly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dolly)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/31 "2009-05-12T22:47:24Z")
> [@carrie](#): > > i want to thank tisha for bringing up this topic. I’ve gotten tired of waiting for androtics to get back in the copulins business and have found another vendor with cops formulas that work just fine, and they employ a variety of pleasing phero perfume blends as well. > > Androtics has been a great company and has much to recommend it, but can sometimes be incredibly slow on the uptake as far as acting on the abundant and supportive consumer feedback they get. > > The very harsh public slamming of competitors is something i don’t appreciate, either. If your product quality speaks for itself, you don’t have to do that. Making inflammatory claims against your competitors (who are smaller than you) just makes you look really bad, and makes me question your own integrity. Taking care of your own business and not speaking of others at all would work better here, i think. amen amen amen! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/32 "2009-05-13T05:43:25Z")
nothing inadvertant comes back to you. _your intent does_. i would relax,Tisha. you are respected and upfront. there is no other way to take you. honestly, i think this is easily handled with a learned skill in the addition of copulins. its not costing alot more in the long run, they will learn something, and this can only lead to more sales in the copulin industry- not less in the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) industry. to make less the contribution Androtics makes because there is a lack of something easily added is just undue stress. dont worry. be happy. then stinky. then horny. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/33 "2009-05-13T06:54:56Z")
hmm yeah. im gna confess that ive been kind slow on my mx reports because of this same issue as well. i actually spiked my mx300 with 3 squirtful of eow as well a couple of weeks ago.. (dont know how many drops is that..) i guess i didn’t really notice the difference since i always wear a bit of cops on the side but i do know that IS/A (the older one that i just conveniently ran out..) has always worked better than mx300. at least lovescent copulins right now are rather strong and very potent. it’s not very cost effective but it’ll have to do for now, i suppose ☹ thanks so much for bringing this up, tisha 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![M\_P](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/m_p/32/1633_2.png) [@M\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_P)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/34 "2009-05-15T04:55:30Z")
Economic crisis…desperate times. Who knows what companies are doing to save money. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/35 "2009-05-15T07:51:42Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am sure they dont appreciate it. LOL > > They dont need to check them, thats my point. I believe they know. After all a quality lab has quality control over there products. I know that they are perfectionists on quality so my only deduction can be they know. > > Knowing or not knowing its not good business either way. Well in that case, truth got to hurt sometimes 😉 Hopefully they’ll fix it soon. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/36 "2009-05-15T09:43:31Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > Well in that case, truth got to hurt sometimes 😉 Hopefully they’ll fix it soon. I talked to Steve, it wont be immediate but it will be fixed. Neither of us can reveal much more then that. > [@](#): > > i would relax,Tisha. > you are respected and upfront. > there is no other way to take you. I am relaxed Lor, I was never not relaxed. 😉 > [@](#): > > honestly, i think this is easily handled with a learned skill in the addition of copulins. > its not costing alot more in the long run, > they will learn something, > and this can only lead to more sales in the copulin industry- > not less in the pheromone industry. Yes it is easily handled when people are aware it needs to be done. Now we are. > [@](#): > > to make less the contribution Androtics makes because there is a lack > of something easily added is just undue stress. I have to address this cause its been bugging me. I am not sure how you meant it but I need to make clear. I never said the "made less of a contribution " by Androtics. I have loyally supported this company through some tough times when other long time members bailed and this is not the first hard issue I have brought to light on this forum. I am straight forward by nature and taking on a problem head on is the most effective way to get something done about it. I could have taken the easy route and just been quiet about it. I am sure you remember a while back us discussing how EOW was suddenly weaker then it used to be and the smell was off and Jasmin coming in and telling us \>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\> [What happened to eow? - #30 by Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/30) I agree with a lot of what she says in this post and especially about the dangers of anything made in China. But not about some of the companies mentioned. I use EOW and I love it but I also said we should tell him something is off so he knows batches after that are now fine. Anywhooo she also talked about product consistency and vendors covering up those inconsistencies. Taking the cops out of products here makes for a inconsistent product. > [@](#): > > **By Jasmin** People who are fooled watch people’s words, not their actions. The only truth is in actions. Dont think for a minute that in my bringing this subject up that I was trying to hurt Androtics. I just want their actions to match their truth and if I see them veering off course for whatever reason. I have no problem speaking up because I do love and respect the staff and the members. I don’t know maybe to some people, love and respect means to sit quiet and say nothing to me its to care enough to tell them when something is wrong and hold them to a higher standard, if we dont who will ? I know they can rise to the challange. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/37 "2009-05-15T14:00:25Z")
> [@](#): > > I have to address this cause its been bugging me. I am not sure how you meant it but I need to make clear. > > I never "made less the contribution made " by Androtics. I have loyally supported this company through some tough times when other long time members bailed and this is not the first hard issue I have brought to light on this forum. > I am straight forward by nature and taking on a problem head on is the most effective way to get something done about it. I could have taken the easy route and just been quiet about it. did you PM steve first about it? Jasmin? is the only way to get answers by talking it over with people who dont make/sell the stuff, or by people with actual answers? i guess i was confused by _how_ you went about it. i dont always read every thread, so this may have been adressed by you at an earlier time with them and you got no response from them. this i wouldnt know. thats why im bringing this up here. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/38 "2009-05-15T19:52:45Z")
> [@](#): > > did you PM steve first about it? > Jasmin? > is the only way to get answers by talking it over with people who dont make/sell the stuff, > or by people with actual answers? > > i guess i was confused by _how_ you went about it. > > i dont always read every thread, so this may have been adressed by you at an earlier time with them and you got no response from them. > this i wouldnt know. > > thats why im bringing this up here. I know its a huge forum and you were away a while so you missed some stuff. I just don’t want you or anyone else thinking I am trying to work against them. I didn’t blind side them. I do know copulins will be forthcoming and am confident people will be pleased when they do. I was never distressed about that subject in fact recent events have made me much more confident they will be spectacular. Cant say more about that. I talk to Steve almost every day. I ask about the copulins everyday. He bends over backwards when he can but he can only bend with the resources they give him to bend with. I credit him with all this growth the forum and store has seen this past two years. I have PMed back and forth with Jasmin on the subject of copulins and other forum and product issues. I was told any copulins they have are for the consumer products. So when someone new asks me “what do I get to make my husband get worked up” I am sending them to the [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) line and telling them there are some cops in it. Imagine my surprise and theirs. I work one on one with a lot of new members. I have been urged to tell them to get SOE when they want cops but I was not told they were not in Instant sexiness anymore. I found that out myself. I love SOE but not for the tiny cop content. I am sure you read jassy’s post I linked to so you know how they feel about EOW. Hey he is the only one who has it what the hell we supposed to do. I am going to suggest it. I may not be a store employee, I can not access your accounts or help with CS issues other then advising you what to do but I do “work” for them so my intention is to make them aware so they know its something that’s matters to all of the women and not just me. I have had many people asking me why they are not getting the reported results with some products. I did not bring it up to discredit them. They are still the number one quality mone dealers on the net in my opinion and I will always back them up and I will always tell them when I think they are making a mistake to. Not that they care so much what I think LOL On every controversial issue I have brought out in the open on the forum I have talked to either Steve or Jasmin about repetitively beforehand and in many cases they knew it was coming because I told them. Hell I almost started a war over editing other members words in posts last year. I think you missed that one LOL 😛 Another subject I often bring up… **Women’s products,** they have never been a priority here. To be truthful they are not for most mone vendors and Androtics is better then most in this area and they really do try to hear and help the member. But they can only hear us if we speak. I am sure with over 10,000 posts you all know I like to speak. I have always been a advocate for more women’s products. This is something I have discussed with Jas and have been open about on the forum. I was told, the women don’t report enough so I have encouraged them to report and now we have a lot more reporting women. Still no new products for us and a lot of the old simple ones we cant even get in stock that have nothing to do with cops. I asked for MX215 about 20 times and that’s just has anol and TAA in a grapefruit scent. You can be sure I will pester them about this to LOL 😃 The ladies have been diligently posting and reporting and rarely complain. I love the men and I do not begrudge them their products and would step up to bat for them to. But when they start to hem and haw about something that’s not in stock suddenly it appears. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and Yes forum family… I am squeaking. I will try to protect what we do have and continue to squeak about other products we want. They know me and I don’t think they would expect less from me. In time it will be resolved I just hope its not another 8 months. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878/39 "2009-05-15T21:03:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Neither of us can reveal much more then that. I’m going to hazard a guess that this is related to the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) launch and other commercial projects? You do get a feeling on the forum at the moment that Androtics are on the edge of springing a huge surprise on us all. What with Jasmin and Mharris posting more regularly then the frequency of posts stopping all of a sudden. I get the impression they are working like crazy behind the scenes preparing something very special for us all. It’s only a matter of time I feel. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-distressed/28878.md?page=1)