# I'm extremely skeptical... **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [April 12, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053 "2008-04-12T22:48:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HarryKnutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c77e96/32.png) [@HarryKnutz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HarryKnutz)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/1 "2008-04-12T22:48:53Z")
31 / M / Southern California Hi! Let me start of by being honest. I’m not exactly convinced. Sure, there are plenty of positive comments here, but I’ve been scammed many times. Every since I was in high school I’ve had problems meeting (attracting) women. It’s my fault. I’m not ugly by any stretch, in fact I am told the opposite plenty enough to agree by now. My problem is “approach anxiety”. I just can’t approach women. So, how do you “hook up” if you can’t even say hello? You can’t. Well, that’s unless you’re lucky enough to meet women who are the aggressors. That’s rare. So, although I’m not a virgin, I think I’d be one if I hadn’t met some firestarters when I was younger. Now, I’m not shy, quite the opposite. Once I know a woman, I’m able to talk to her easily. This usually means we’re in the “friend zone” though. My second problem with getting laid… yeah, as if it wasn’t already bad enough… is that I don’t read signs and I’m really not good at knowing when to “make moves”. So, sealing the deal has been tough. Old Example: my high school prom date told everyone in my group that she wanted me to kiss her (remember this is how it’s done when you’re in high school – remember passing notes?) – and of course, they all told me. You’d think it would be a piece of cake at that point… but, I stalled and stalled and basically talked myself out of it. She was lucky to get a hug good night. It gets worse. She wasn’t from my city, so for graduation, my mom gave me the gift of sending me to visit and stay for her for a weekend. Her parents were cool with it. The entire visit was lame – again, my fault. We went to the movies… we should have been making out… we watched the movie – I didn’t know better. We even ended up sleeping on her family room floor next to each other (I think her parents could smell the innocence/virginity in me). Nothing happened. No surprise, when I got home after the trip, she refused to speak to me ever again. Not exactly a confidence booster. But, it’s just me being me. I really wish I didn’t have this problem, because I’m quite affection-hungry and I love sex (duh). But, and this is sad – because of my flaw, I haven’t had sex since October, 2005 (when I broke up with my last ex). Again, it’s not because I’m not attractive – it’s because I can’t talk to women, which means I don’t date. The rare couple of dates I have had led nowhere. And forget a one-night-stand – because not approaching/talking to women, coupled with not sealing the deal, spells NO SEX! So, I’ve tried different routes (including all sorts of online dating and hook-up sites – all suck!)… I’ve bought sprays in the past that claimed to help… yeah, Axe & Tag of course, but stuff that claimed to be [pheromones](https://a314.com/) too. Nothing ever changed… which is to say, I never noticed any increase of the suggested reactions from women: friskiness, eye contact, smiles, approaching me (which would be huge!) – and I chalk it up to a scam of sorts… it seems like the stuff is more about increasing your self confidence than actually “doing” anything for you. I don’t care about my self confidence being high or low. I need blatant help getting over approach anxiety. I can’t read subtlety. If I were to see women actually show in-your-face type signs that they wanted ME – I think I might just get lucky once in a while. So after another lonely Friday night watching an infomercial about these kinds of things, browsing and googling, I’ve somehow wandered in here. I’m skeptical, but I’m also unhappy about my current status quo. After reading things here, I was thinking about buying a full bottle of AMMUNITION for breaking the ice and a to go bottle of both TURN UP THE HEAT and INSTANT FEMALE MAGIC for on-the-spot increased help. I’m not even going to ask if they work because I’m posting in a forum that is all about that. I’m going to assume they do until proven otherwise. Am I on the right track with these? I don’t need help succeeding at work or making “friends”. I need help getting women to notice me, show me that they are noticing me, maybe even possibly take matters into their own hands, and then basically would like to make the transition into an intimate setting easier. Thanks for reading this. Thanks for any responses. Oh, and thanks a bunch for the gift certificate I will be using when I place my first order. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/2 "2008-04-13T00:10:31Z")
Welcome Harry Don’t order too much once you are not that skeptical anymore. ANd plus you got a 15 $ gc for your purchase. Buy a few togo 5 ml bottle, to test so you wont lose much IF it is not really ( but it is real 😃) Don’t blame yourself on the past mistakes 😉, you have plenty of life left you fully enjoy. Everyone had some anxiety at first, buy you can work harder and it won’t be there anymore 🙂 [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is definitly good for the first order, worth the entire full bottle! Just don’t be TOO excited and use like 5 sprays the first time 😮 . Slow start will give you best results! Maybe you wanna get instant openness to go, the best product to break the ice. Instant female magic doesn’t have too dramatic results (other married members might disagree 🙄), you can leave it for future order if 3 products is the max spending amount for you. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/3 "2008-04-13T00:16:17Z")
Hi Harry, Welcome to the forum. To help in your approach anxiety, you can try [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) like: Instant openness – to make girls want to talk to you. Instant Shine – to lift your mood and the people around you. It can also boost your confiedent in approaching girls. Instant Honesty – to have deeper conversation with girls. To get laid, TUTH is great in arousing the girls sexually. IFM may also play a part to make girls relax and comfortable by your side. However phero is only helping you and the success is largely depending on yourself. Have fun ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/4 "2008-04-13T00:24:41Z")
Welcome. Good advice from the guys above. Let us know how the pheromones work for you. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/5 "2008-04-13T00:55:34Z")
Hello Welcome to the forum. 🙂 Alot of people start out skeptical, its a normal reaction to something they dont quite understand yet, First thing you need to know about pheromones is that they do not change you, they enhance you, give you a edge and yes they do have self effects like boosting your confidence. Before buying anything please read this thread… > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… There is no product on earth that will get you the reaction you see on AXE and TAG commercials. Those products are not even pheromones. I am not sure what other products you have tried as you didnt mention them by name but there are alot of crappy hyped up companies out there on the net selling pheromones. You have to be careful. So I understand your skepticism. If your looking for something that will do all the work for you then I really dont have any suggestions for you. Even with pheromones the cues are something you need to recongnize because the products wont make people just blurt out “do me” If your looking for something to enhance yourself, increase attraction and socialization so you can meet people easier and increase attraction then your in the right place. “Hits” as we like to call them can range from more friendliness, eyecontact, ect ect to more touching and displaying. Sometimes you will get a blantant hit as you will see while reading the forum but its not a daily occurence But when those hits occur 9 times out of 10 you have to make a move. That being said… I suggest if your still interested that you try AMMO which is a good all round product or TUTH which comes on stronger. I also suggest IO which will help break the ice and make you and others more comfortable getting to know each other. They have products here at smartmones in a inexpensive to-go size so you can test them out and see what you think. All products in the consumer section have a 200% guarantee. Be sure to read the mens section of the forum so you can get a ideal as to what the products do. They are alot fo other good tips on picking up women and PUA tactics to. If you have any questions just ask. 😃 **Your GC will be in your email box in the next 24 to 48 hours** 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![HarryKnutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c77e96/32.png) [@HarryKnutz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HarryKnutz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/6 "2008-04-13T04:57:17Z")
Thanks everyone! Well, thank you everyone for your helpful responses. Tisha, I read the link you suggested and I understand the limitations. I don’t expect to find Love Potion #9. I’m just really hoping for more blatant cues from the ladies as I am horrible at reading them and I’m so nervous if I don’t “know for sure” that I’m not going to be rejected. It would probably help if the pheromones have an effect on me as well, but like I said – I’m not shy… I’m just shy in an initial approach and when it comes to closing (asking for digits, asking out on a date, moving towards sex, etc). I don’t think I’m in a hopeless situation, I just think if it hasn’t gotten any easier by now, it won’t. I totally missed the fun of my twenties. I was in a fraternity and my problem really didn’t let me have the fun I should have. Now that I’ve started into my thirties, I’m really thinking it’s now or never. I’m going to give this a try and hope it helps. What should I purchase then? Should I just get a set of to-go bottles of Ammo, Turn up the Heat, Instant Openness, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)? What should I be doing with them… as in what would you suggest for how they should be combined or not combined to get started for my case? Oh and for those of you who asked, I do not remember the names of the products I’ve tried as it’s been a while since they were tossed into the garbage! I’ve looked into Nexus and Pherlure with my rekindled interest, but conflicting reports on those products had brought my skepticism back. That’s what lead me here. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/7 "2008-04-13T09:28:59Z")
> [@](#): > > What should I purchase then? Should I just get a set of to-go bottles of Ammo, Turn up the Heat, Instant Openness, and Instant Female Magic? What should I be doing with them… as in what would you suggest for how they should be combined or not combined to get started for my case? Oh and for those of you who asked, I do not remember the names of the products I’ve tried as it’s been a while since they were tossed into the garbage! I’ve looked into Nexus and Pherlure with my rekindled interest, but conflicting reports on those products had brought my skepticism back. That’s what lead me here. Yes start with the set of 4 to-gos, They have about 40 sprays each which is more then enough to see how you like the products. I would replace [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) with Instant Shine though but thats up to you. Just so you know what Instant Female Magic does, it calms and comforts Bitchy nervous women. Dosnt attract as strongly as the rest in my opinion but it does have its uses. Used with the right products it can help to ease women into certain situations. Start with one product at a time when you apply them. 1 or 2 sprays (go out test). If you dont see results use 3 the next time and so on till you find what dosage works best for you. Using this method you will be able to see exactly what what the product does for you so if you decide to get big bottles you will know which ones. After you have done that you can layer, You dont need to wear AMMO and Turn Up The Heat together that would be overkill. AMMO use for everyday use, running errands, work, ect ect… It can be used clubbing but you have Turn Up The Heat for that. Ammo is sexy, confident,attracts attention and is mildly arousing. TUTH wear clubbing or to social events. Also great for one on one encounters with someone who is comfortable with you lke a date when your ready to move to a more intimate situation. THis one comes on strong and is very arousing. Its more raw on its own I and I would defiantly layer some Instant Openness or Instant Shine over it to keep it arousing but more inviting. > [@](#): > > I don’t think I’m in a hopeless situation, I just think if it hasn’t gotten any easier by now, it won’t. I totally missed the fun of my twenties. Of course your not in a hopeless situation, Knowing what you need to work on is half the battle. Approuching can be scary, girls have it easy really. Couple of suggestions there… Practice approuching attractive ladies without any intention of asking them out. Just make some small talk smile make eye contact and then act uninterested. Seriously women like attention so if you give them some they can start to play ya. If you give them a little then act uninterested they will work harder for the attention because they will be like “hey why is he not interested” This accomplishes 2 things, Its gets you out there to practice with no pressure and builds confidence. Always keep in mind that just because they say no dosnt mean something is wrong with you. Its just a word so dont be afraid of rejection. Always have a back up line in case of rejection. Dont look distressed if they do and say something like. " OK could have been wild " Read some of the PUA material that the guys use here in the forum. Just write PUA in the search tool up on the right and posts will come up with tips. You may not want to use all the methods they teach but a few like the giving and retracting of attention like I mention above is explained better by them. Hang around the forum here when you have time and flirt with the women. Yes I know its not the same as doing it in person but words are commanly what foul people up when approuching and following through. Practice builds confidence and gives you ideals on how to approuch and what to say and when. You missed the fun in your twenties, Your more mature now and it does get easier with age I dont know why. Harry the fun is about to begin 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/8 "2008-04-13T15:06:40Z")
approach anxiety dude? i have 1 word okay? P friggin’ 83! 2 words? p83 and IS…actually IS is brilliant, a phenomena in fact in helpin’ to get a bit of the sleaze happenin’…you’ll go Keno on her no probs. wanna add some alphaness to it? IS/Ammo. so last night i wore 4 IS solo, and by the 4th spray my inhibitions go AWOL…i’m ready to grab girls arses on the dance floor, interfere with other peeps photo opp’s. …ya know, normal appropriate club behaviour 🙂 and with p83, u literally feel compelled to open sets. your brain wont give u a choice…marvellous stuff. [my experience anyway] im also too cerebral and over analytical when it comes to pulling moves…but a dab of high strength IS and suddenly i’m spiderman. which can work either way, but its damn site better than the dreaded “friends” zone. i think IS gives off a “too dumb to know any better” self-effect which is so important for approach and close stages in seduction. **A BIT OF STUPID, BATHROOM SINK “GAME”:** apart from mones and MM and C and F, u can just look at it in a much simpler way. key self-talk phrases help. one i like is : “bully her into it” OR “yeah i know im annoying you, so what?”…so , its the hard sell, if she hasn’t met u half way or pre-selected u, then the interest level aint that high, so ya gonna have to somehow CONVINCE her… the real secret of the PUA’s? and what most non-naturals or non-jocks must do, is persist, and persist and annoy her, and pester her, and woo her, and seduce her, all these “key phrases” help u remember you’re there 2 seduce and win the girl over, not talk to her like a friend…otherwise, u get relegated to friendship… and all of this must be done playfully [especially the kiss close], with a stupid fat grin on ya face…ya thinkin’ “yeah i know im annoying you, whatch’ya gonna do about it, aye, aye chicky babe!”… instead of getting peeved, or emotional, ya gotta keep at it… just keep at it till she relents out of pure exhaustion, it may be easier for her to succumb to your advances than to resist them 🙂…so treat it like a sales job, u r the product you’re trying to push on an unsuspecting customer [potentially]…u r the annoying tele-sales guy cold callin and lead generating and u make no aplogies for it. all these strategies helped me get over approach anxiety, plus the classic : “just be too dumb to know any better” approach the girl 1st before your brain can catch up. this is very immature advice i know…but think to yourslef : "im not here to be your friend, i have enuff female friends, im not here to have normal conversations, im a player, im NOT a nice guy, and i have no intention of being relegated to friendship. im here to Play, not talk… \*THE STORY OF EDUARDO - THE BEST PUA I EVER DID SEE: _the best PUA i ever knew was about 5 ft. 3 and ugly as sin… but he had blessed sleaze genes - half colombian/ half french - and this is the guy who’d always pick up at a bar every time he went out. we were always left in shock and disbelief… the guy was a complete anomaly, as initially the girl ALWAYS hated him… **but he had the talent to win the girls over,.**..so a girl would be like" ooh! yuck! go away little man!", and he’d laugh it off, and be like in a french accent: “oh common honeeey, u know u liiike…u liiike…i sooo sexy man…u wan’ u like…u sooo beauty girl, u sooo niice, ooh la la!.”_\* and then he’d always whisper something in her\*\* **ear…this was his signature move!** within half an hr., he would always leave with the girl…to this day, i have no idea exactly what he whispers in there ear…but the guy simply wouldn’t give up…he’d never talk normally with a girl, always sexual innuendo and playful touching from the outset, he’d say controversial stuff rather than normal convo’s…he’d spice up the convo’s, and he slowly ramps up the escalation, for eg., never go straight 4 za lips, he’ll kiss’ em on the cheeks 1st…like he’d squeeze 'em cheeks like there his little sister “ooh u so cute!” than kiss the cheek and loudly exclaim “muaah!”…he’d repeat this process waay before going 4 the lips. sorry my apoligies, my responses r normally much more mature…🙂 taa build up 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HarryKnutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c77e96/32.png) [@HarryKnutz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HarryKnutz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-extremely-skeptical/11053/9 "2008-04-14T17:29:20Z")
Thanks for the response. No apologies necessary – immature or not, your message was welcome and helpful. I’ve never been able to open or close very well when it comes to girls, so I’m hoping yours and everyone else’s advice here will make that easier. I talk myself out of it before I even take a single step. That has to stop. I got my gift certificate today, so I’ll be ordering some product. Here’s to hoping it works for me.