# I'm not your friend formula? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 23, 2007, 8:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672 "2007-03-23T08:02:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/1 "2007-03-23T08:02:49Z")
Hello, I’m 26 and, I’m looking for a product/combination that helps me atract a girl I’ve known for many years. She’s 27 and is my best friend so it is a bit complicated. With so many products here it gets a little confusing so maybe you can give me your advice, what should I use? I’m obviously not doing this to score (although sexual attraction is very important), but to change the direction of our relationship. Don’t what her to think of me as her brother or best friend, but as a prospect. I tried NPA and Jelique with no results, never used Androtics products. I’ll wait for your advice to place my first order 🙂. I have a $200 budget, so I’ll appreciate if you can give me combinations of no more than 4 products :o (that’s all I can affort right now). Thanks in advance 😉. PD: Sorry for my bad english. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/2 "2007-03-23T08:27:05Z")
The problem with trying to attract a long term female friend through [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is that she knows your natural signiture and if it changes her brain is going go to default mode and not recognize your new signiture. There are other issues as well. She doesn’t see you as a partner. You need to change that some how. Pheromones can help, but you are going to have to do a lot of work. [Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction](http://www.fastseduction.com) has some pointers on changing friends into girlfriends, but this is pick up artist information. A lot of it works, and is valuable. A lot of it is egotistical, and arrogent so take it with a grain of salt. NPA is very androstenone intensive. I don’t know about Jelique. I’ve never heard of it. I think you should give ammunition a shot. It’s a -none based product, but not overtly sexual like NPA or Turn up the heat can be. While wearing it around a female target of mine (similar situation, but I see her a few times a year) she commented to another female friend that I seemed different. She kept giving sexualy suggestive looks in jest. Instant shine is a must. It will increase your youthfulness, vibrance, fun factor, and decrease personal space. Instant Female magic. This will comfort her and envoke a sence of closeness and possible excitement I’m tempted to say A314, but that is realy expensive and a fickle product. It will display a higher value and make her see you as having more worth than you normaly have. Instead of a314 you may want to look into it’s varients. The chemical romance package may be best. DHV + sexuality. I’d be wary of mixing an a314 base with ammunition though. It would probably best be suited for instant female magic. Ammuniton, shine, and IFM all go good together. A314 and varients, IFM, and shine would all mesh well (you don’t have to mix them. You probably shouldn’t at first.) You probably don’t have many barriers. So openness and honesty may not be in the top 4 for you (they are good and may help, but may not be as effective as you desire for this situation) ---
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/3 "2007-03-23T08:45:19Z")
Thank you very much for taking so many of your time to help me **toilofday**. I really appreciate it 😉. > [@](#): > > There are other issues as well. She doesn’t see you as a partner. You need to change that some how. Pheromones can help, but you are going to have to do a lot of work. Yes, I know. I’m working on it and not doing it so bad I think (we’ll see). I actually noticed that sometimes she flirts on me now and that never happened before 😃. > [@](#): > > [Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction](http://www.fastseduction.com/) has some pointers on changing friends into girlfriends, but this is pick up artist information. A lot of it works, and is valuable. A lot of it is egotistical, and arrogent so take it with a grain of salt. Thanks, I’ll give it a try for sure 😃. Unfortunately the chemical romance package is not ins stock right now, so I’m thinking about order: - A314 - Ammunition - Instant shine - [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) As you said, I dont’t think there are many barriers, however If you should’ve go for openness or honesty, what would you try first? Thanks againg man! ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/4 "2007-03-23T09:26:30Z")
> [@acha80](#): > > Thank you very much for taking so many of your time to help me **toilofday**. I really appreciate it 😉. I’m a phero addict, don’t worry about it 🙂 > [@](#): > > Yes, I know. I’m working on it and not doing it so bad I think (we’ll see). I actually noticed that sometimes she flirts on me now and that never happened before 😃. > Thanks, I’ll give it a try for sure 😃. Nice…Flirting great progress. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately the chemical romance package is not ins stock right now, so I’m thinking about order: > > - A314 > - Ammunition > - Instant shine > - Instant Female Magic Bumber on the C.R. Check on mx113 or mx143. Mx113 may be good to use as it’s flirty, light, happy, and maybe even romantic. I didn’t get much of a result from it, but I only had a 2.5ml sample. > [@Yet again. (Latina, MX113 + TAA oil)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/yet-again-latina-mx113-taa-oil/737): > > this time wearing 5 drops of TAA oil, and 3 sprays of PMX 113 --all over my neck and head (i have a shaved head) PMX 113 has a very strong scent, its a little too sweet, and a little too much, however, after an hour it dies down… so, im conducting yet another workshop for our IT dept, and this busty latina with a flat stomach starts to stare me down. during the final test she comes up to me and asks a question, she sits next to me, starts chatting it up, but i tell her she needs to go back to … > [@Results with mx113](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/results-with-mx113/1724): > > So I’ve been playing around with mx113 recently, by iteself. I spent my day at school around a lot of girls and I was commented on how nice the akuto scent was and it’s also very durable in the sense that it certainly lasts a long while. The thing was, besides the smell, it did absolutely nothing. I plan on putting it on with some of the products stuck with neroli to get rid of that horrible odor but besides that I haven’t seen anything with mx113. I’ll keep you guys updated if anything happens … Here is good link to check out mx143. I’ve never used it, but I like this report. I’d be good for that sexual attraction you want to build, and you won’t have to wear -none. I don’t think it has -none in it, but it may so don’t quote me on that. Androtics doesn’t release that information very often. > [@Pow just like that I was wearing MX113 on steriods.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pow-just-like-that-i-was-wearing-mx113-on-steriods/1319): > > MX143 open_mouth Now that mix packed a punch. It’s basically a modified version of MX113. but damn this mix was waaay more blunt. It all started at lunch time. The portuguese girl and I were playing pool, she was waving her a\*\* around, at one point she was rubbing it on me. (I cant stress this girls a\*\* enough google Vida Guerra for an example) So on the way back to work we get to the parking lot, I noticed she didnt open her door… in other words, “we need to kiss” so we did. On the way bac… > [@](#): > > As you said, I dont’t think there are many barriers, however If you should’ve go for openness or honesty, what would you try first? > > Thanks againg man! Openness would be my suggestion. It will get some fun, slap happy communication going on. You alread know each other very well so honesty wouldn’t gain you much. (unless she keeps you out of her inner personality). If you know her dark little secrets than I don’t think you’d need honesty. If she keeps you out of her personal life, and your conversations are only skin deep then get honesty. Screw it. If you can affort it get a togo bottle of both. They are both worth while. Openness would be my preference, but I like to bath in alpha androstenol. (10 sprays of spaceland) That’s a huge dose 500mcg. You’d be getting about 7.5-10 mcg alpha nol in one spray of openness, and you probably wear 2-3 sprays. I’m partial on that one. OOOOOH. come talke to me 2. It’s a bit of both. openness and honesty (well, 50/50 alpha -nol/beta -nol) beta androstenol is in honesty. It’s a little rough around the edges, but the shine or even the phero’s in anything else you wear should buffer it (it doesn’t need much of a buffer. I use both of those pheormones as buffers themselves.) ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/5 "2007-03-23T14:38:27Z")
> [@acha80](#): > > Hello, > > I’m 26 and, I’m looking for a product/combination that helps me atract a girl I’ve known for many years. She’s 27 and is my best friend so it is a bit complicated. > > With so many products here it gets a little confusing so maybe you can give me your advice, what should I use? > > I’m obviously not doing this to score (although sexual attraction is very important), but to change the direction of our relationship. Don’t what her to think of me as her brother or best friend, but as a prospect. > > I tried NPA and Jelique with no results, never used Androtics products. I’ll wait for your advice to place my first order 🙂. I have a $200 budget, so I’ll appreciate if you can give me combinations of no more than 4 products :o (that’s all I can affort right now). > > Thanks in advance 😉. > > PD: Sorry for my bad english. i would take this approach- if you wear androstenone laden formulas, you are losing a bit of that “safe” vibe. the only way this works from a gal’s point of view for sex is if we really dont care if we ever see you again 😉 i like the idea of a safe friend wearing [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), as it isnt intrusive. _but not in any strong amount._ A314 is going to help you out,too. you remain “safe” person to get personal with,only now with additional sex-appeal. the other products are great and you will find a use for _every one_ of them, but i am replying to the specific desire to create a less-brotherly vibe without losing your rank in her heart, the way starting off with TUTH can . thats a great one for _after_ the first kiss 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HotMama](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hotmama/32/1786_2.png) [@HotMama](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HotMama)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/6 "2007-03-23T17:09:03Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > I’d be wary of mixing an a314 base with ammunition though. It would probably best be suited for instant female magic. Hey Toil, I am curious about why not Ammo and A314? What has your exp. been with it? It’s the exact mix I got for my husband (well, not a mix, I just told him to put A314 on and cover with Ammo, smells divine, btw!!) HM ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/7 "2007-03-23T18:01:40Z")
I think when it comes to attracting friends, what really matters is establishing a sense of sexual attraction. Safety and comfort would have already been established if she’s friends with you, she needs to see you in a sexually attractive sight…not necessarily in the sense of her wanting to have sex with you, but the attraction needs to be established. I really think your approach to this situation is far more important that pheromones, though pheromones will certainly help. You need to present yourself to her in a way that is different from what she knows, because she knows you as a friend. To some extent, you’re going to have risk your friendship with her and leverage it to make it work. To some extent you have to accept that fact that this will drastically change your relationship with her, for better or for worse. Most importantly, all of this needs to be done and realized in confident, capable fashion. As far as pheromones go, I think a well timed dose of androstenone (ammunition) should do the trick…or any sexually attractive type of mix. I’ve experienced a number of occasions where my ‘attraction’ mixes unintentionally had an effect on my female friends, who happened to be out with me. It can be awkward sometimes, only because consciously I know, and they know that it shouldn’t be happening. Ammunition with a slight dash of A314 would do well…something really masculine and in control…something exciting, but not intimidating. The good thing about ‘targeting’ friends or people you know, is that they are less affected by the negative aspects of the ‘distancing effect’ that heavy loads of androstenone and/or A314 can create…at the same time, they are less likely to register the positive effects right away. You also might want to look into TAF, which has a bit of a perception altering characteristic to it, as a ‘steering’ pheromone. This may facilitate her seeing you in a different light, and make her more receptive to seeing you as more than a friend, but someone she could be sexually enticed by. ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/8 "2007-03-23T18:16:16Z")
haha… an Anti-Friend Zone formula would be amazing! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/9 "2007-03-23T18:16:20Z")
WOW this is great stuff guys, thank you very much. Being a newbi I think it would be best for me to try some stand alone products and not to use mixes like MX113 or MX143. I think I need to know the effect of each phero on me first to start my experiments. > [@](#): > > Screw it. If you can affort it get a togo bottle of both. They are both worth while. ha ha yes, you got me there. I was thinking exactly the same when I get to this point of your post 😃. I like **Lo** r’s approach, although I’m not so sure about use Turn up the heat. Do you really think it would help in all the process, or should I get it once I have her atention? So based on your comments, I think I’ll probably get: - A314 - [Ammunition](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - [Instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) - [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) - Instant Honesty - [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) Now I don’t know if it is to much, so please tell me when to stop!!! 😮 (my wallet will hate me for this). So based on this, what is the right way to combine this products? I’m thinking Ammo and A314 should be used separately right? Some options would be: - A314 / IS / IFM / IH - A314 / IS / IFM / IO - A314 / IS / IFM / IO / IH - Ammo / IS / IFM / IH - Ammo / IS / IFM / IO - Ammo / IS / IFM / IH / IO Am I too lost? what would you recommend? Thanks you all very much again guys, your being great! ---
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/10 "2007-03-23T18:22:13Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I think when it comes to attracting friends, what really matters is establishing a sense of sexual attraction. Safety and comfort would have already been established if she’s friends with you, she needs to see you in a sexually attractive sight…not necessarily in the sense of her wanting to have sex with you, but the attraction needs to be established. > > I really think your approach to this situation is far more important that pheromones, though pheromones will certainly help. You need to present yourself to her in a way that is different from what she knows, because she knows you as a friend. To some extent, you’re going to have risk your friendship with her and leverage it to make it work. To some extent you have to accept that fact that this will drastically change your relationship with her, for better or for worse. Most importantly, all of this needs to be done and realized in confident, capable fashion. Yeah, I’m with you on this sigma. > [@](#): > > As far as pheromones go, I think a well timed dose of androstenone (ammunition) should do the trick…or any sexually attractive type of mix. I’ve experienced a number of occasions where my ‘attraction’ mixes unintentionally had an effect on my female friends, who happened to be out with me. It can be awkward sometimes, only because consciously I know, and they know that it shouldn’t be happening. > > Ammunition with a slight dash of A314 would do well…something really masculine and in control…something exciting, but not intimidating. The good thing about ‘targeting’ friends or people you know, is that they are less affected by the negative aspects of the ‘distancing effect’ that heavy loads of androstenone and/or A314 can create…at the same time, they are less likely to register the positive effects right away. > > You also might want to look into TAF, which has a bit of a perception altering characteristic to it, as a ‘steering’ pheromone. This may facilitate her seeing you in a different light, and make her more receptive to seeing you as more than a friend, but someone she could be sexually enticed by. So Ammunition and A314 togheter? (taking notes here 🙂) And wich combination do you recommendo to use with TAF? Thank you very much! ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/11 "2007-03-23T18:31:06Z")
> [@acha80](#): > > Yeah, I’m with you on this sigma. > > So Ammunition and A314 togheter? (taking notes here 🙂) > > And wich combination do you recommendo to use with TAF? > > Thank you very much! Experiment a bit and see how she reacts. A314 and Ammunition can be a highly aggressive combination, and does carry some potential to close people off if the dosing is off. If it causes too much awkwardness and/or closes her off, tone it down and use some IFM. You might want to experiment on other women to see how they react, just so you have some insight on how to approach things when she’s around. Don’t fret it too much if things don’t go your way right away. Take note of what happened and re-adjust. TAF seems to work as a mix enhancer, and can be added to just about any mix to add that element of ‘deeper perceptions’. I’m highly sensitive to the stuff, and so far I’ve found that it has more of that type of effect on me than other people around me, but based on how it makes me feel, I can see the benefit of adding it to a mix. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/12 "2007-03-23T18:37:20Z")
> [@acha80](#): > > WOW this is great stuff guys, thank you very much. > > Being a newbi I think it would be best for me to try some stand alone products and not to use mixes like MX113 or MX143. I think I need to know the effect of each phero on me first to start my experiments. > > ha ha yes, you got me there. I was thinking exactly the same when I get to this point of your post 😃. > > I like **Lo** r’s approach, although I’m not so sure about use Turn up the heat. > Do you really think it would help in all the process, or should I get it once I have her atention? > > So based on your comments, I think I’ll probably get: > > - A314 > - [Ammunition](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) > - [Instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) > - [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) > - Instant Honesty > - Instant Openness > > Now I don’t know if it is to much, so please tell me when to stop!!! 😮 (my wallet will hate me for this). > > So based on this, what is the right way to combine this products? I’m thinking Ammo and A314 should be used separately right? > > Some options would be: > > - A314 / IS / IFM / IH > > - A314 / IS / IFM / IO > > - A314 / IS / IFM / IO / IH > > - Ammo / IS / IFM / IH > > - Ammo / IS / IFM / IO > > - Ammo / IS / IFM / IH / IO > > Am I too lost? what would you recommend? > > Thanks you all very much again guys, your being great! sorry for the confusion,kiddo. i posted _ **not** _ to use TUTH until _after_ your not the “brother” lol i thought to myself someone eventually was going to steer you in that direction, and the stuff is _great_ but you want a relationship beyond a fling 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/13 "2007-03-23T18:39:34Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Experiment a bit and see how she reacts. A314 and Ammunition can be a highly aggressive combination, and does carry some potential to close people off if the dosing is off. If it causes too much awkwardness and/or closes her off, tone it down and use some Instant Female Magic. You might want to experiment on other women to see how they react, just so you have some insight on how to approach things when she’s around. Don’t fret it too much if things don’t go your way right away. Take note of what happened and re-adjust. > > TAF seems to work as a mix enhancer, and can be added to just about any mix to add that element of ‘deeper perceptions’. I’m highly sensitive to the stuff, and so far I’ve found that it has more of that type of effect on me than other people around me, but based on how it makes me feel, I can see the benefit of adding it to a mix. wow sigma, you have no idea how helpful that was. i have TAF and i was thinking of ways to use it. i didnt quite have that insight, that it is P79-ish ? i hear people tell me P79 is an intensifier … ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/14 "2007-03-23T19:24:52Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > wow sigma, you have no idea how helpful that was. > i have TAF and i was thinking of ways to use it. > > i didnt quite have that insight, that it is P79-ish ? > i hear people tell me P79 is an intensifier … Oh no TAF isn’t P79ish at all. P79 seems to be a sexual enhancers (pairs up real well with TAA), while TAF seems to be a perception changer? I’m still a little lost on how to use it myself. I haven’t experimented much with it since I tend to feel a little funny when I use it. I really need to build a tolerance to it. Its hard to say what advantages TAF has on its own, but I do see myself noticing things I otherwise wouldn’t have while I use it. I remember trying to use it to help me concentrate while I was studying (its reported to give you more ‘focus’) but I tended to hear and see everything going on around me, and was very distracted. TAF to me seems to draw your attention to things you might have otherwise filtered out = altered perception of the things around you. In playing around with all these [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/), I’m finding that a lot of them seem to work more as ‘enhancers’ or ‘steering pheromones’…they don’t really act as the central effect of mix, but they add a slight element to a mix that has a dramatic impact on it. P74, for example, seems to work well as a social enhancer (to some extent a sexual enhancer too), and pairs up really well with androstenol’s. My trials with P74 alone aren’t nearly as good as when I use them in conjunction with other pheromones, particularly the social ones. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/15 "2007-03-23T20:46:09Z")
The tips and mixes that people have given you are decent but the first and most important thing you need to do is alter your behavior. Stop acting like her friend and become less inclined to care about her problems. Try to get her craving your attention and acceptance. When she starts to try to come crawling back then use lots of Androstenone and Androsterone together, A314 would not hurt either. Stay away from A1 and the stenols!!!. I read that if you can get a woman around Androstenone during ovulation your chances are better than good. If you know when she ovulates plan your attack around that date. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 8:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/16 "2007-03-24T08:02:47Z")
Thank you guys, I’m taking notes of every word you’re saying. Keep it comming 😃. Regards! ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/17 "2007-03-24T09:17:15Z")
> [@](#): > > If you know when she ovulates plan your attack around that date. Now the real trick is to nonchalantly drop the “O” question without coming off as her chick friend or a perv… > [@](#): > > Stop acting like her friend and become less inclined to care about her problems. In my experience this is risky. You need to create attraction before you start playing games. If you stop communicating and act aloof you’ll appear ingenuous. She’ll think something is wrong with you. Keep on being her friend but work on creating attraction. You probably realize this type of transformation is an uphill battle. Most men fail and damage the relatioinship. Try to change her perception of you gradually. It won’t happen suddenly even if you try to force it. In my experience your body language and how you look at her and hold her glaze are the best places to start. To a woman the eyes are extremely important. You also need to put out a sexual vibe in your movements without being creepy or obvious. Also, without showing off, try to do things around her that makes her see you as a confident man. Personally I’ve enjoyed these types of relationships the most. I really like the combination of friend and lover. However be forewarned that, once the love goes south, and it will, she will forever be lost as your friend. It is almost impossible to go back to being friends. Sometimes keeping a good friend a friend is more precious than a few months of hot sex. I certainly have a few regrets in that area. In the end I missed her friendship, not the nookie. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/18 "2007-03-24T14:43:08Z")
> [@Thumb rules](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thumb-rules/1722/35): > > I honestly believe that most men and women who are good friends, can be so much more. Its mostly a matter of circumstance. And circumstances can be changed. The way I see it is this…in order for attractions to flourish, as complicated as this process can often be, two things need to exist: Sexual/Physical attraction and an Emotional Connection: Comfort, closeness, social compatibility. If you’re already friends with a lady, chances are you already have a well established emotional connecti… Check this thread out man ---
**Author:** ![acha80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@acha80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acha80)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-not-your-friend-formula/2672/19 "2007-03-24T15:42:38Z")
Thank you for your advice **Gegogi**.. 😉 And **Sigma** , great thread man, thank you. I read it and re-read it just to be sure I got all the ideas. You gave some very good advices there, I’ll have it in mind. Thanks again!