# I'M OUT OF NOL please Help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 4, 2007, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971 "2007-06-04T07:24:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/1 "2007-06-04T07:24:26Z")
Usually i use Scent of Eros for attraction and its very friendly effects. The amount i wear maximum is 6 drops, which gives me about 96 mcg Anol and 24 mcg Arone, its about a 80/20 ratio of the two. ( Just mentioning that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Anone with the above pheros. ) I am trying to duplicate or copy this mix or improve on it with Androtics products. I have worked out that [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) double strength at 14 drops will give me the Anol that i require at about 96 mcg and Smartmones Androsterone @ 7.5 mg / spray size, using 13 drops will give me the required amount of Arone that i require at around 23 mcg. But considering that Instant Openness may be 30% Betanol, Will this drastically change the characteristics of my perceived duplicate ??? Or may it actually improve it ? If the Betanol and Arone component are not compatable, how about - Using the Smartmones Arone with Spaceland ? It seems to look ok to me with spaceland…also 😕 Not forgetting that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the SOE’s 80/20 nol / rone formula. Even though SOE really works great for me, i would like to try other alternitives, Besides the Spaceland at 10 mg/ 30 mL is good value Androstenol buying for my budget. Any input would be genuinly appreciated if anyone has any ideas as i have used the last of my nol supplies, and curious to see if any of my ideas could work out. thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/2 "2007-06-04T07:37:41Z")
> [@alpha314](#): > > Usually i use Scent of Eros for attraction and its very friendly effects. > > The amount i wear maximum is 6 drops, which gives me about 96 mcg Alpha Androstenol and 24 mcg Androsterone, its about a 80/20 ratio of the two. > ( Just mentioning that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the above pheros. ) > > I am trying to duplicate or copy this mix or improve on it with Androtics products. > > I have worked out that Instant Openness double strength at 14 drops will give me the Anol that i require at about 96 mcg and > > Smartmones Androsterone @ 7.5 mg / spray size, using 13 drops will give me the required amount of Arone that i require at around 23 mcg. > > But considering that Instant Openness may be 30% Betanol, Will this drastically change the characteristics of my perceived duplicate ??? > > Or may it actually improve it ? > > If the Betanol and Arone component are not compatable, how about - > > Using the Smartmones Arone with Spaceland ? > It seems to look ok to me with spaceland…also 😕 > > Not forgetting that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the Scent of Eros’s 80/20 Androstenol / Androsterone formula. > > Even though Scent of Eros really works great for me, i would like to try other alternitives, Besides the Spaceland at 10 mg/ 30 mL is good value Androstenol buying for my budget. > > Any input would be genuinly appreciated if anyone has any ideas as i have used the last of my Androstenol supplies, and curious to see if any of my ideas could work out. thanks. 🙂 14 _drops_ of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) Spray? Im assuming you mean sprays, im just wondering whether this is a good idea, your bottles will run out alot quicker. Perhaps use spaceland, or try to ask androtics to do a custom batch with a higher dose. I also remember the store selling pure Androstenol/none/rone sprays which might work… although im not sure about the effectiveness of that. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/3 "2007-06-04T07:47:58Z")
Androtic products are designed with _efficiency_ in mind. Kind of like a frictionless bullet train vs. a traditional steam powered train where most energy are converted to heat. So you might find that a smaller mcg of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) in Androtic products can archive more potent effects than larger mcg of other products. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 8:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/4 "2007-06-04T08:10:19Z")
> [@ProtoJay](#): > > 14 _drops_ of Instant Openness Spray? Im assuming you mean sprays, im just wondering whether this is a good idea, your bottles will run out alot quicker. Perhaps use spaceland, or try to ask Androtics to do a custom batch with a higher dose. I also remember the store selling pure Androstenol/none/Androsterone sprays which might work… although im not sure about the effectiveness of that. Yes i do mean drops as i usually work out my mcg in drops and then use that as a yardstick to make up 5 ml carry bottles, Which i then use as a spray with my fragrance included, ha ha dont ask me why i work it out in drops i suppose its just an old habit. I have also noticed that if i use a good dose of aftershave in the mixture i always seem to have far more noticable and better results. Thank you for your input Protojay. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 8:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/5 "2007-06-04T08:18:21Z")
> [@Oceanborn](#): > > Androtic products are designed with _efficiency_ in mind. Kind of like a frictionless bullet train vs. a traditional steam powered train where most energy are converted to heat. > > So you might find that a smaller mcg of pheromones in Androtic products can archive more potent effects than larger mcg of other products. I can see your logic there Oceanborn, As well as being an economic decision to look at the Spaceland, I also thought that the more refined products ie IO may actually be able to give me an advantage in performance as well. That is why i am asking for opinions and knowledge so thanks heaps.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/6 "2007-06-04T14:49:30Z")
> [@alpha314](#): > > Usually i use Scent of Eros for attraction and its very friendly effects. > > The amount i wear maximum is 6 drops, which gives me about 96 mcg Alpha Androstenol and 24 mcg Androsterone, its about a 80/20 ratio of the two. > ( Just mentioning that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the above pheros. ) > > I am trying to duplicate or copy this mix or improve on it with Androtics products. If you want to duplicate the mix go to the experimones section of the SmartMones store and buy the raw ingredients you want, and then mix them up. ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/7 "2007-06-04T15:08:30Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > If you want to duplicate the mix go to the experimones section of the SmartMones store and buy the raw ingredients you want, and then mix them up. I agree, although im not sure why you would want to do it this way. Since antrotics is a different manufacturer, the effectiveness of each dose may differ, so your better off experimenting and seeing what works with each of the main products… In other words, why not save some money and start over from scratch. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/8 "2007-06-04T16:49:46Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > If you want to duplicate the mix go to the experimones section of the SmartMones store and buy the raw ingredients you want, and then mix them up. Thanks i did consider that but the Alpha androstenol in the 30 mcg spray size is $ 20.00 more than the 30 mcg spray size in IO. Also spaceland seems a more economic buy than the experimone Alpha Androstenol. Even so i have seen that it is a good section to obtain my Androstrone, as it is only available in this section. If it were to work out that the experimone ANOL was better suited than the spaceland i would consider that more expensive option in that case. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/9 "2007-06-04T17:13:23Z")
> [@ProtoJay](#): > > I agree, although im not sure why you would want to do it this way. Since antrotics is a different manufacturer, the effectiveness of each dose may differ, so your better off experimenting and seeing what works with each of the main products… In other words, why not save some money and start over from scratch. I have lots of already made up branded products and have found over the years that the 80/20 - NOL / RONE combo really suits me best and works well . Seeing that the Androtics has quality and refined pheromones that i have considered over other manufacturers i have thought about getting my favourite formula ratio made up using these quality products if i am able to do so I am not sure who actually really makes SOE whether it be Stone Labs or the other person who wrote the pheromone book. But it would be very satisfying if i could get my 80/20 nol / rone mix together with Androtics products as i would have deviated from the normal and also proven to myself what may be accomplished with this brand of pheromone. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/10 "2007-06-04T20:53:54Z")
Yeah, I have the same problem. For me the theoretical solution involves one drop a314 and whatever amount of IO on top of that that works best. But I’m not a math guy and can’t find the numbers to do all the calculations (e.g., 4:1). Another problem is the accumulated smell of the Androtics products. It can overwhelm things scent-wise, if you use multiple products and try to bring everything up to dose, numbers wise, to duplicate a favorite mix (especially with -none). If I wear the convenient Androtics products, (and here I’m not talking about AMMO or the stronger scented ones) I’m going to smell like Androtics perfume, not the cologne of my choice. Hopefully that will be ironed out at some point. Sounds like different solutions are being considered. ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/11 "2007-06-04T22:50:32Z")
Spaceland is definitely a good deal. I’m not sure it’s a normal kind of “friendly” like a lower dose alpha Androstenol product is, like Scent of Eros or [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). If you want something extreme, I’d say go for it. It’s definitely a good time with lots of giggles and the occasional stunned look, even at one spray. It’s fun. I just can’t see using at work like you can some of the other Alpha Androstenol products. It’s kind of like an androstenol hammer. Something a little more subtle is probably more appropriate for everyday situations. ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/12 "2007-06-04T23:40:40Z")
> [@alpha314](#): > > Usually i use Scent of Eros for attraction and its very friendly effects. > > The amount i wear maximum is 6 drops, which gives me about 96 mcg Alpha Androstenol and 24 mcg Androsterone, its about a 80/20 ratio of the two. > ( Just mentioning that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the above pheros. ) > > I am trying to duplicate or copy this mix or improve on it with Androtics products. > > I have worked out that Instant Openness double strength at 14 drops will give me the Alpha Androstenol that i require at about 96 mcg and > > Smartmones Androsterone @ 7.5 mg / spray size, using 13 drops will give me the required amount of Androsterone that i require at around 23 mcg. > > But considering that Instant Openness may be 30% Betanol, Will this drastically change the characteristics of my perceived duplicate ??? > > Or may it actually improve it ? > > If the Betanol and Androsterone component are not compatable, how about - > > Using the Smartmones Arone with Spaceland ? > It seems to look ok to me with spaceland…also 😕 > > Not forgetting that i use 5 mcg - 10 mcg Androstenone with the Scent of Eros’s 80/20 Androstenol / Androsterone formula. > > Even though Scent of Eros really works great for me, i would like to try other alternitives, Besides the Spaceland at 10 mg/ 30 mL is good value Androstenol buying for my budget. > > Any input would be genuinly appreciated if anyone has any ideas as i have used the last of my Androstenol supplies, and curious to see if any of my ideas could work out. thanks. 🙂 I don’t know about the specific [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) amounts, but CTTM is the best thing I’ve tried that’s come close to the effects of Scent of Eros. Actually, I like CTTM better than SOE. It’s cheaper, it lasts longer, and it’s a lot easier to apply. Spaceland is cool, but it’s a little over the top some times. For daily use, I use CTTM. Works great, and people get really friendly, women get really comfortable. The only thing I don’t like about it is the Neroli scent, but that fades after an hour or two. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/13 "2007-06-05T05:16:25Z")
> [@Flipcat](#): > > Spaceland is definitely a good deal. I’m not sure it’s a normal kind of “friendly” like a lower dose alpha Androstenol product is, like Scent of Eros or Instant Openness. > > If you want something extreme, I’d say go for it. It’s definitely a good time with lots of giggles and the occasional stunned look, even at one spray. It’s fun. I just can’t see using at work like you can some of the other Alpha Androstenol products. It’s kind of like an androstenol hammer. Something a little more subtle is probably more appropriate for everyday situations. It looks like 2 sprays of Spaceland would give me my target of 96 mcg Androstenol, like this is my night club or big game day application ammount. ( Discreetly not forgetting i plan to add my usual 5 mcg - 20 mcg Anone ) Now all i would have to do is add 3.2 sprays of the 7.5 mcg spray size Arone and i have my target of 24 mcg Arone. Thus giving me my 80/20 Anol/ Arone targeted mix. Thank you. Neow i have cweated de neu SOE !!! AH HUH .. 😃 With your help of course and also many thanks to all who have assisted and participated on this wonderfull project. I shall have to hand out crisp $100 dollar bills to all, when the royalties start flowing in…😛 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/14 "2007-06-05T05:29:44Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > I don’t know about the specific pheromone amounts, but CTTM is the best thing I’ve tried that’s come close to the effects of Scent of Eros. Actually, I like CTTM better than Scent of Eros. It’s cheaper, it lasts longer, and it’s a lot easier to apply. > > Spaceland is cool, but it’s a little over the top some times. For daily use, I use CTTM. Works great, and people get really friendly, women get really comfortable. The only thing I don’t like about it is the Neroli scent, but that fades after an hour or two. I have about 1/3 bottle of CTTM’2 left, The thing is i have never been able to figure out just how many mcg’s phero’s in a spray of the stuff. The most i have ever used is 2 sprays and i have not been able to detect any real action. Maby it is time to get serious and just use what i have left at a higher dosage. I like to be able to work out as close as i can what quantities i am dealing with when i am using a product, and i dont have the information on CTTM. Thank you as you have inspired my imagination to go and give my CTTM another few blasts.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/15 "2007-06-06T03:31:51Z")
I’ve read here that CTTM2 had 20mcg of alpha and beta androstenol per spray. I suppose it might have 5mcg-alpha and 15mcg-beta or something like that, maybe CTTM2 has a litlle less beta and a little more alpha because it says its less serious than CTTM, so… maybe 12mcg beta+8mcg alpha? ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 6:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/16 "2007-06-06T06:07:20Z")
> [@capone](#): > > I’ve read here that Come Talk To Me Mix 2 had 20mcg of alpha and beta androstenol per spray. I suppose it might have 5mcg-alpha and 15mcg-beta or something like that, maybe CTTM2 has a litlle less beta and a little more alpha because it says its less serious than CTTM, so… maybe 12mcg beta+8mcg alpha? Very interesting stuff Capone;48410 , At least i am now aware that there is two CTTM’s, I am glad i have the 2 which is not so serious. Well i plan on giving it a test out as soon as the required target scenario set is in sight. This is how im going to take it. - CTTM’2 x 5 sprays - Alpha314 x 1 drop - NPA x 2 dabs I did put my order in earlier today for Spaceland 30 mL, and AndrosteRone 7.5 mcg spray / 30 mL. So i am going to give the kitchen sink a good scrub out in preparation for my mixing 😛 Meantime i still have enough CTTM’2 left to be dangerous 😃 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/17 "2007-06-06T18:56:10Z")
> [@capone](#): > > I’ve read here that Come Talk To Me Mix 2 had 20mcg of alpha and beta androstenol per spray. I suppose it might have 5mcg-alpha and 15mcg-beta or something like that, maybe Come Talk To Me Mix 2 has a litlle less beta and a little more alpha because it says its less serious than CTTM, so… maybe 12mcg beta+8mcg alpha? I am replying again as my last reply yesterday did not come up yet ?? Thank you for the info Capone, i have this combo that i am going to test out as soon as i envision a suitable target frame. I still have 1/4 bottle CTTM’2 left. the max i have used is 2 sprays previously. - CTTM’2 x 5 spray - Alpha314 x 1 drop \*]NPA x 2 dabs I am glad i have the more friendly version.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/18 "2007-06-06T19:10:14Z")
I have decided upon a good value for money purchase and i placed an order yesterday that has been shipped. - I ended up with Spaceland 30 ml - Androsterone 7.5 mcg spray size 30 mL Looking forward to some fun gentleman mixes and some spaced out fun I wonder how my next doctors visit will go lol.😃 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/19 "2007-06-08T14:30:29Z")
My Spaceland order has to be about to arrive, we will comment it together 😉 Please tell us how are you going with your mix 😉 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971/20 "2007-06-08T17:21:31Z")
> [@DrSmellThis](#): > > Yeah, I have the same problem. > > For me the theoretical solution involves one drop A314 and whatever amount of Instant Openness on top of that that works best. But I’m not a math guy and can’t find the numbers to do all the calculations (e.g., 4:1). > > Another problem is the accumulated smell of the Androtics products. It can overwhelm things scent-wise, if you use multiple products and try to bring everything up to dose, numbers wise, to duplicate a favorite mix (especially with -none). If I wear the convenient Androtics products, (and here I’m not talking about AMMO or the stronger scented ones) I’m going to smell like Androtics perfume, not the cologne of my choice. Hopefully that will be ironed out at some point. Sounds like different solutions are being considered. Most times it takes me like forever to work out the ratios in my mixes. I was bought up in disfunctioning family conditions and i used to struggle with concentration in the class room. Therefore the Pheromones have really pushed me to excersise my maths and calculation skills, and has assisted my brain pattern functioning in a very positive way. I can understand with using the made up shop fragrant pheromones in some mixing applications could be somewhat of a dissadvantage fragfance wise. I can also appreciate that these formulations are made up to in some respects to give the best results to people beginning on the interesting road of pheromone use. The choices that Androtics give us in our selection of made up products and experimones is amazing, and i do not think there are any others who can do this and follow through with maintaining of consistant quality as they seem to be capable of doing here. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-out-of-nol-please-help/3971.md?page=2)