# I'm such an idiot! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649 "2008-05-15T02:48:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/1 "2008-05-15T02:48:01Z")
Gawd I’m such an ignorant noob! 😛 Let me explain; Some of you may have been reading my journal which is here: > [@acyd's discoveries & contemplations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/acyds-discoveries-contemplations/8749): > > Okay, here we go… My first journal entry. Week 1 - Wednesday 13:00 - 1x A314 between, um, I mean behind the ears, 1x A314 on the wrists, 1/2x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) each side of the neck, 1x IFM on the hair, 1x IFM on the wrists, no cover cologne. Self Effects - Overall a bit more relaxed, felt more confident but more natural than when you’re trying to fake that confident look & feel, cool, chilled. Cafe - 30 mins after application - Went to purchase a small bite to eat, woman at the counter (20-ish) seemed d… In an attempt to find out how better to improve my technique (after this I know I definitely need it) I discovered that something so simple as asking if a piercing hurt, is an indication of interest! O M G !!! (My nape is my favorite, always a great reaction and they just end up calling others over to show their friends) How many times has that happened to me since I started using [pheromones](https://a314.com/)!!! DAAAAAAAAMN! 😮 So add about another few dozen IOI’s to my journal at LEAST! So its obvious my technique sucks… I try and keep the whole convo going when that happens but most times it just seems to fade into nothing and they wander off and do something else… Obviously I didn’t realize the importance of that as an indication of interest in the game and was looking for stronger clues, such is Male Pattern Blindness… I’ve done some research and I’m running in to brick walls. I’ve looked into The Mystery Method, I’ve looked into NLP and black-ops style hypnosis (I only know stage and therapeutic techniques), I’ve hunted around on here for some very helpful information (I know, this place is for the effects of pheros, not The Game). I seriously need some help… LOL :o _Please?_ ---
**Author:** ![FutureKill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/futurekill/32/691_2.png) [@FutureKill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FutureKill)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/2 "2008-05-15T03:13:18Z")
Well at least I’m not the only one 😛… No but seriously… Not that I am an Uber-Pimp myself, but I’d recommend the following: - How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie - The Art Of Seduction by Robert Greene - Anything else by Robert Greene - An Outline of Psycho-Analysis by Sigmund Freud Also, google “Ross Jeffries” What have you read on NLP? ---
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/3 "2008-05-15T03:37:28Z")
Haven’t found much at all on NLP other than courses/information one has to pay for and one technique where you can put emphasis on a word (on a completely unrelated topic) like funny, smart, polite, and through some clever gestures create associations between yourself and these words… Just read something a few mins ago that seems intruiging. Aside from all the usual mistakes that guys make in general, there’s one word I thought would make things a lot easier. “Curiosity.” Get curious, ask her questions (without breaching the whole ‘common mistakes guys make’ thing), be interesting, learn… ---
**Author:** ![Jasx69](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasx69/32/2413_2.png) [@Jasx69](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasx69)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/4 "2008-05-15T03:53:59Z")
**Im not really a huge fan of PUA techniques but I did throughly enjoy reading “How To Make Anyone Fall In Love With You” By Leil Lowndes I liked it soo much I even bought the audio version soo I could listen to it in my car. It’s abit girly though but sure is worth having look at, when I say girly I mean something similar to Men are from mars woman are from venus type of naration, there are some pages you can read for free on amazon I have the PDF file ebook as well.** ---
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/5 "2008-05-15T04:08:38Z")
Has anyone looked at this one??? Sorry. Just makes it look easy and second nature, and its 100% money back if it doesn’t work. [http://www.seductionunderground.com/content/members.html](http://www.seductionunderground.com/content/members.html) Oh well… LOL ---
**Author:** ![spicoli](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spicoli/32/1827_2.png) [@spicoli](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spicoli)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/6 "2008-05-15T04:15:41Z")
i have been reading daily emails from that sight and think that it could be worth the money Before you check that out go to [davidwygant.com](http://davidwygant.com) and read all the blog entrys you might like his stuff he also has audio products ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/7 "2008-05-15T04:41:26Z")
I can’t speak much about any PUA material. But I can offer this little bit for body language and IOIs. I don’t know if you have much time to kill, but people watching can be helpful. Sometimes being removed from a situation helps observations. Just go to a busy place and you can watch all sorts of people. As far as observing IOIs specifically, (don’t get creepy here guys..) observing younger girls trying to attract attention is a good place to start. They typically have less practice and exaggerate a bit more, giving away their intention a bit more often. Try and understand their dialogue through their body language. How he’s standing, how she’s standing. How close are they? How are they moving? The timing? Take it all in until you can mentally link different stages of BL with different stages in conversation. Mmmm..what else, develop good peripheral vision so you can catch smaller movements like body shifts, foot tapping, hand position/movement, etc..without looking all over the place. Get sensitive to a persons energy and try and relate that to body language. If you’re in a strong emotional state, stop yourself momentarily and before you get too analytical, just freeze that moment and study your own body language. One last thing, when you’re trying to get the attention of the cashier, or clerk when the office is about to close and their behind those thick glass windows most booths happen to have, don’t you twist and turn, lean and bend, trying to get into their field of vision? That’s how we try and get attention non-verbally. That or physical contact. But I think the difference is obvious. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/8 "2008-05-15T17:04:54Z")
[The Attraction Forums – Free Pickup, Dating Advice and Message Board for Men](http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum) Phya, this seems to be one of the better free ones. Tons of reviews of materials. Check some of Pheroquirk’s posts down in the lounge as well. He puts up some great stuff from time to time. Lot of bristolair and others. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/9 "2008-05-15T19:16:41Z")
Thanks Renny. I’m not really looking for any PUA material, but thanks. In the end pretty much all of the material comes down to, grow some balls, back yourself up with substance, and never give up. 🙂 Although I’ll check out the site for PQs posts. He almost always posts useful things. EDIT: Nevermind, I realize now that you meant our lounge. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/10 "2008-05-15T19:27:37Z")
Yepp, I think it all sums up to being a confident and social person. I’ve been reading some german PUA forums for a while and got more and more the impression that these forums were one half people who’s only goal in life seemed to be to fuck a perfect ten one day (and all their life got adjusted for this one thing to happen) and the other half were just frustrated people who couldn’t get anything going in their lifes (including getting a girl)… Reading ‘The Game’ didn’t help much either in seeing the PUA community in a brighter light, as Mystery himself seemed to be a pretty psychotic person in this book… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/11 "2008-05-15T19:35:17Z")
The most useful information pertaining to women in ‘The Game’ was that they come and go, but to be happy, you need to work on yourself. Some of these PUAs were downright emotionally co-dependent on their ‘targets’. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/12 "2008-05-15T19:39:53Z")
Yepp, I had the impression that fucking women became something like an emotional crutch for them - without it their self-confidence would fall to pieces as there’s not much of a basis underneath… And exactly that was what drove me away from the whole pua idea. It’s not what I wanted to become… ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/13 "2008-05-15T19:42:55Z")
Phya, my bad. I meant that for Acid Circuit. Should have quoted instead of quick replying. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/14 "2008-05-15T19:47:43Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Yepp, I had the impression that fucking women became something like an emotional crutch for them - without it their self-confidence would fall to pieces as there’s not much of a basis underneath… And exactly that was what drove me away from the whole pua idea. It’s not what I wanted to become… Yea, I read it, digested it, and passed it on to a couple friends and they took off with all the PUA stuff. Last I checked they were still kinda on it, but most didn’t get anywhere. > [@renny](#): > > Phya, my bad. I meant that for Acid Circuit. Should have quoted instead of quick replying. 🙂 No problem Renny, I didn’t take it like that. I was just saying. 🙂 I’m sure it’s bound to help someone though. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/15 "2008-05-16T01:09:29Z")
> [@My-official-spam-thread™](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-official-spam-thread/11991/47): > > Thought it was a good idea to post this here. > > In reply to this thread: [I'm such an idiot!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649) > > There’s no one method you can study. What I’ve noticed is that, for about a year now, ever since I began studying this kind of stuff, is that I’ve had to break myself down and rebuild myself SEVERAL SEVERAL times. Beginning from when I was a complete nub and I found pherotalk. I broke myself down and rebuilt myself once then. Then for all the awesome pieces of data that branched off from pherotalk, I broke myself down and rebuilt myself up. I’ve read a lot about PUA, game, how women work, what women want, social dynamics over the past ~1 yr after I was reborn from the ashes, well, you have me now. I’m not saying that I’m perfect (I’m far, far, far from that), I’m saying that you should study a lot, go out and experience a lot, increase your quick wit, and be reborn each time, picking up bits of data that work for you, creating something better, more beautiful each time. Word 1 word 2. ---
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/16 "2008-05-16T01:44:51Z")
Quick wit is definitely good. I’ve had groups in fits of laughter from quick wit (see my journal entry a couple of weeks back at a poker game that went all hours of the morning). Definitely helps. Last night I had a grand opportunity but it wasn’t the time nor place for it, unfortunately. Doesn’t stop some people though… Decided to get that e-book “the art of approaching women.” This stuff is dead on. I mean, some of it is so obvious that some probably need to hear how he delivers the stuff for it to really get through, and just the overrall presentation is great. I’ve read the first 133 pages of the 350-ish pages… Its a great read… And it makes it all soooooo simple to follow. Gonna try his methods on Saturday. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/17 "2008-05-16T07:37:30Z")
A quick example, I noticed a hit today, not [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) related I think as I don’t know where she came from. I was at a show, facing the stage, just doin my thing, and out of the corner of my eye, I notice a short girl walk up into a direct line of sight with me, strike a pose and flick through her hair and wait a bit. I look at her, then pay full attention to the show. She starts dancing a bit, but I wasn’t that into her, so I didn’t pay any attention to her, so eventually she walks off. What tipped me off? She arrived alone, didn’t talk to anyone around her, picked a really shitty angle to view the stage, and left after a couple minutes of me ignoring her. She copied my behavior, when I started dancing to the beat, so did she. Later, on the way out she happened to be right next to me and bumped shoulders a couple times. I scooted ahead to catch my friends, she walks by in my line of sight, I go outside to get some air, she walks by right again. Individually, each might have been a coincidence, especially at a crowded show, but throw them all together, including the timing and you got yourself a load of IOIs. ---
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/18 "2008-05-17T03:43:07Z")
Awesome!!! Don’t think it was a hit coz she had a BF, but I was at a mate’s place last night and his flatmate, this gorgeous model, 9.5 out of 10 (looks wise, anyway) kept looking at me from the stairwell while talking to my mate, while I was outside. Shame she has a boyfriend. Guess I’ll have to get things happening. In the Guide to Approaching Women, it came with a bonus of how to lure girls away from their boyfriends. And you’re not even really doing anything other than leading a very active and adventurous life. If only there was more to do around here! Hahaha. I know I’d play paintball every weekend if there was somewhere around to do it. Basically, all you do, is make yourself look like a lot more fun to be in a relationship with than their current boyfriends and if they’re unhappy and you use the other methods when you’re meeting people they’ll find out and you have to make that final move… Its compicated but simple. 😛 Going out tonight, so be sure to check my journal tomorrow, should be some good experiences. 😃 Plan to put some methods to the test. Think I’ll add Yoda’s line to my signature. “Do or don’t do, there is no try.” ---
**Author:** ![noyb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@noyb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noyb)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/19 "2008-05-17T05:37:18Z")
On a minor note regarding your title, that is something you generally don’t want to advertise and you should keep to yourself. 🙂 As for your technique, be yourself. ---
**Author:** ![acid\_circuit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/acid_circuit/32/2019_2.png) [@acid\_circuit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acid_circuit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-such-an-idiot/12649/20 "2008-05-17T06:20:59Z")
Hahaha. Nah, only meant it in a light hearted sort of way. You know how when you don’t realize something and you say it to yourself in that joking sort of way, thats how I meant it! Should have put a smiley in there, me thinks.