# Important post on how to get hot hot women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 2, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521 "2008-12-02T12:37:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/1 "2008-12-02T12:37:51Z")
hey guys, a few of my thoughts here When you see a beautiful sexy woman do you start to act a little bit differently, does your heart beat get a little faster, do your pupils dilate, you might start to sweat a little, is your sub communication a bit off, are you behaving in your normal natural way. Any of these things will provide a sure fire way of KILLING attraction dead and the girl will walk off. Are you able to completely be yourself despite the obvious replication value that this girl is presenting to you? If not read on [http://1.2.3.11/bmi/www.puamethod.com/images/latex.jpg](http://1.2.3.11/bmi/www.puamethod.com/images/latex.jpg) **Step One: Surround yourself with hot girls** - Invite girls out to go clubbing with you, frequent strip clubs _yes this can be done in a cheap way, ill go into strip club game in another post_, approach as many hot girls as possible, try to go to places where hot girls are more likely to go _no irish pubs or old man pubs_. The more you get used to being in the company of hot girls the less intimidating you will find it, until you get to the point its just normal. **Step Two: Re-align your value system** - If you find talking to hot girls in anyway makes your more nervous or uncomfortable then you are still operating on a social conditioned map of the world. In society we are lead to believe that we aren’t worthy of hot girls unless we have money, clothes, looks etc This is completely untrue and simply what Music Television wants us to believe so they can promote their products. You should have a binary system meaning that you either would or your wouldn’t want sexual relations with the girl in question. If you would then give her a HB7 scale, I say that again all girls that you would have sex with become an HB7. A girl can only increase her rating by demonstrating value to YOU, this can be done in the form of investment. Things like buying you a drink, making you laugh, having something in common with you, doing something nice for you, being sexually open minded etc Only then can you start talking about her being higher than an HB7 or bragging about it on the forums. If you are operating on a purely looks scale then you are never going to get your HB9’s or HB10’s unless you are in fact an HB10 yourself and you truly believe it based on a social conditioned view of the world. [http://1.2.3.10/bmi/www.puamethod.com/images/katja.jpg](http://1.2.3.10/bmi/www.puamethod.com/images/katja.jpg) Top players all have one thing in common, they don’t view hot girls as any different from any other girls or people, they still respect the fact that they go to the toilet and fart like everybody else. They are looking at the depth of the person, is she sexually open minded, is she fun, does her feminine energy turn you on, is she what you are looking for in a woman other than the surface level of tits and bum. There are many beautiful girls, ill chat with her to see if she is different from the rest 😉 Peace and Love, Kingy ---
**Author:** ![lizard473](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lizard473/32/1267_2.png) [@lizard473](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lizard473)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/2 "2008-12-03T20:35:51Z")
> [@kingy](#): > > Top players all have one thing in common, they don’t view hot girls as any different from any other girls or people, they still respect the fact that they go to the toilet and fart like everybody else. They are looking at the depth of the person, is she sexually open minded, is she fun, does her feminine energy turn you on, is she what you are looking for in a woman other than the surface level of tits and bum. Well said. Reps to you man. Don’t think I’ve ever thought of it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/3 "2008-12-03T21:19:02Z")
> [@kingy](#): > > **Step One: Surround yourself with hot girls** - Invite girls out to go clubbing with you, frequent strip clubs _yes this can be done in a cheap way, ill go into strip club game in another post_, approach as many hot girls as possible, try to go to places where hot girls are more likely to go _no irish pubs or old man pubs_. The more you get used to being in the company of hot girls the less intimidating you will find it, until you get to the point its just normal. No offence, Kingy, but this reminds me of Steve Martin’s advice on how to get rich, “first, you get yourself a million dollars…” If a guy surrounds himself with hot women everywhere he goes, what exactly is this dude out hunting for? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/4 "2008-12-03T21:55:47Z")
I usually put my iPhone and a wad of Benjamins in my pocket. Draws women to me like “flies da shit.” I guess they think my package is large or I’m really happy to see them. ---
**Author:** ![J-PAK](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/j-pak/32/2217_2.png) [@J-PAK](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/J-PAK)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/5 "2008-12-03T22:19:41Z")
**What makes one woman beautiful and another not beautiful and who’s standard do we use to measure beauty?** Let’s stop giving males a bad name. We need to start by looking at women as human beings worthy as an equal and not just an object to be obtained or another goal to accomplish. ALL women are beautiful, all people are beautiful, and we are all created equal no one is better than anyone else. You may be good at lots of stuff or better than someone AT SOMETHING, but you will never be better THAN SOMEONE. People are people there are some you find attractive and some you don’t, just know what you like and go for it. **Conclusion:** Go for what you like in a woman regardless of what others think or say. More important than not letting a woman make you feel like less is not treating women as less. Even if you don’t find them attractive for whatever reason still treat them like they are beautiful because they are all beautiful every last one. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/6 "2008-12-03T23:48:58Z")
> [@J-PAK](#): > > **Conclusion: Go for what you like in a woman regardless of what others think or say. More important than not letting a woman make you feel like less is not treating women as less. Even if you don’t find them attractive for whatever reason still treat them like they are beautiful because they are all beautiful every last one**. Reps J, take a look at my sig.😃 ---
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/7 "2008-12-03T23:58:48Z")
please re-read my post, this is not a post about whether everyone is beautiful or ignore ugly chicks. no way im always looking for the good in everyone i meet, everyone has value or some unique outlook in life that i could definitly learn from or enjoy. this post is about guys who have trouble approaching girls they find attractive, you can argue that all girls are special but brass fact basics if the girl is single then to give herself the best chance of meeting a great guy, she should be doing the best about her looks she can, going to the gym, and having fun things going on in her life too. attraction can be different but ultimately as guys we have similar tastes because we are looking for similar things, girls with good replication value e.g. produce pretty babys. this is why its not always a great idea to have an attraction forum with women on it, because what a woman says she wants and what she actually responds to are two completely different things. in response to the steve martin thing did u read the post? i say approach hot girls, goto strip clubs, goto places where they will be. this is all stuff anyone can do. and yes if u can get some numbers then invite them out too. to the girls im sorry if this is offensive to catagorise a certain type of woman like this, but an ugly girl with a beautiful personality just isnt going to have the same affect that a glamour model biting her lips would have. ---
**Author:** ![lizard473](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lizard473/32/1267_2.png) [@lizard473](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lizard473)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/8 "2008-12-04T00:06:58Z")
I think people are missing the point of Kingy’s post here. He was not objectifying women at all. His comment about surrounding yourself with hot women, impossible as that may seem for some, was not to indulge in those women, but to build self-confidence. His message about hot women was to point out an obvious fact, if you can talk to a “hot woman”, you can talk to any woman. He spoke of the depth of a woman, and her inner beauty. I believe that was his true message, misleading as the title may be. And for those who’s interests lie only in hot women, look deeper. I’ll take a 5 over a 10 if she’s got brains and a sense of humor any day of the week. (Not to say that all 10’s are airheads, by no means) I think he summed itall up quite well in his last statement, that all women are the same. Hot women do things that “normal” or “plain” looking women do. As he so eloquently put it, they all fart and use the toilet. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/9 "2008-12-04T00:13:13Z")
> [@kingy](#): > > in response to the steve martin thing did u read the post? i say approach hot girls, goto strip clubs, goto places where they will be. this is all stuff anyone can do. and yes if u can get some numbers then invite them out too. _I was just sayin_… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/10 "2008-12-04T00:20:05Z")
> [@kingy](#): > > **Step One: Surround yourself with hot girls** - The more you get used to being in the company of hot girls the less intimidating you will find it, until you get to the point its just normal. Good points that were made, IMO, with some commentary.. Being around hot girls is one thing. A whole bunch of guys do it all the time, all day, every day. It’s a completely different thing to be able to interact comfortably with these hot girls. Just being around them isn’t going to cut it. I’m not going to be ripped by hanging out with gym rats, and I don’t have a chance at making the NFL even if all I do is hang out with NFL superstars. The company you keep is important, but keeping hot girls as company will have limited value if you still cannot interact with them. To expand on what you’ve said, to become comfortable with hot girls, just talk with them. > [@kingy](#): > > **Step Two: Re-align your value system** - You should have a binary system meaning that you either would or your wouldn’t want sexual relations with the girl in question. If you would then give her a HB7 scale, I say that again all girls that you would have sex with become an HB7. > > Top players all have one thing in common, they don’t view hot girls as any different from any other girls or people, they still respect the fact that they go to the toilet and fart like everybody else. Hmm, some things here I like, and somethings I dislike. I agree with you as far as adjusting your own value scale relative to yourself and your value judgments. Anyone that you decide to pursue a relationship with, whether it is a romantic, purely sexual, or a simple friendly one, should meet your personal standards. Your standards should be reasonable, but should not be compromised constantly either. You need to pick them and stand by them. However, I disagree with the usage of any HB1-10 scale. It’s only indicative of how attractive that woman is to _you_. It’s completely useless, IMO. In fact, by eliminating the scale from your value spheres, you are freeing yourself, not the others, from judgment. If you hold in your mind that other people can be judged and scaled according to an objective scale, then you can be judged and scaled in the same way. By eliminating such scales from your world view, any other judgments of your own worth become insignificant. There are definitely PUAs out there that qualify as ‘Top players’ who use such scales, but I think the most naturally gifted ‘players’ really don’t use such scales. They really do see girls as just girls that they are either attracted to, or not. That is not to say that they don’t make comparisons like any other person, but that those comparisons don’t weigh as heavily in their decisions/actions. ---
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/11 "2008-12-04T00:28:56Z")
yes i said that, i view girls as either i would or i wouldnt, lets see what she is about and if she is different from the rest. its too common for forum guys to post about the hb9 they talked to but they will never get her cos they are basising the judgement all on her looks. i teach pua classes 5 nights a week usually, ive dated models and also some awesome less classically good looking girls too, im not asking you to agree with everything i say but i cant reply to every post unfortunately so look for the good and value in the posts and if you can find some and can take it on board then great. if not then thats fine too and hope it works out with where you are going. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/12 "2008-12-04T08:30:57Z")
> [@](#): > > yes i said that, i view girls as either i would or i wouldnt, Probably better to refer to them as women. You’re 25 and too old to be dating girls, at least here in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/13 "2008-12-04T10:03:00Z")
Hmmmm I think kingy you may be misunderstanding this forum. You have made quite of few posts so far and they have been good ones but not one has mentioned [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). You do realize this is a Pheromone forum and not a PUA forum right, This is looking very much like spam to me. Hmm Maybe I will pop on over to your site and swipe your traffic, > [@](#): > > this is why its not always a great idea to have an attraction forum with women on it, because what a woman says she wants and what she actually responds to are two completely different things. You do realize a women owns this forum and the store and all those little PUA games you play. We invented them, 😉 > [@](#): > > its too common for forum guys Whats that mean forum guys ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/14 "2008-12-04T13:27:31Z")
if you dont want my point of view then I will stop posting here, as you may realise im based in UK and not US so i doubt that this would get me any traffic, forum guys are guys from seduction forums specifically about pua and not this one. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/15 "2008-12-04T14:43:17Z")
I think I’m going to have to step in and disagree with your 2 steps as well. A guy that’s nervous or uncomfortable with attractive women is going to have a hard time surrounding himself around them. Most women are not going to want to be around someone that is obviously not comfortable with them. Second, I don’t think going to strip clubs is going to help much either, as a guy that’s not comfortable talking to attractive women in the first place is only going to have the girls around while he’s spending money and as quickly as the money dries up, the girls are going to move on to someone else. Although if you’re already comfortable around attractive women and can talk to them, a strip club is not a bad place to hone your skills. I also don’t agree with your suggestions of re-aligning your value system and establishing a rating system, but I do agree with the second paragraph, in which you say that women must demonstrate their worthiness. As Phya said, establishing an HB rating system almost requires that you are to be rated as well. If you’re going to rate her an HB7, she’s probably looking at you as a 5, while you’re seeig yourself as something like a 3 or a 9, depending on your level of self-esteem. If you have high self-esteem in the first place, then you’re probably comfortable around women anyway, and don’t need a rating system to be able to talk to women. I will agree that guys should require women to demonstrate their value, just as women require us to prove that we’re worthy of them, but not with a rating system. In my opinion, the first step to meeting and dating hot women is to realize that they’re no different than anyone else, and to realize that you are as worthy as anyone else out there. Once you are comfortable with yourself and who you are, the rest becomes much easier. I will definitely agree that surrounding yourself with beautiful women makes it easier to meet and date other beautiful women. It’s called social proofing and I have talked about that as well in other posts. ---
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/16 "2008-12-04T15:44:54Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I think I’m going to have to step in and disagree with your 2 steps as well. > > A guy that’s nervous or uncomfortable with attractive women is going to have a hard time surrounding himself around them. Most women are not going to want to be around someone that is obviously not comfortable with them. > > Second, I don’t think going to strip clubs is going to help much either, as a guy that’s not comfortable talking to attractive women in the first place is only going to have the girls around while he’s spending money and as quickly as the money dries up, the girls are going to move on to someone else. Although if you’re already comfortable around attractive women and can talk to them, a strip club is not a bad place to hone your skills. > > I also don’t agree with your suggestions of re-aligning your value system and establishing a rating system, but I do agree with the second paragraph, in which you say that women must demonstrate their worthiness. > > As Phya said, establishing an HB rating system almost requires that you are to be rated as well. If you’re going to rate her an HB7, she’s probably looking at you as a 5, while you’re seeig yourself as something like a 3 or a 9, depending on your level of self-esteem. > > If you have high self-esteem in the first place, then you’re probably comfortable around women anyway, and don’t need a rating system to be able to talk to women. > > I will agree that guys should require women to demonstrate their value, just as women require us to prove that we’re worthy of them, but not with a rating system. > > In my opinion, the first step to meeting and dating hot women is to realize that they’re no different than anyone else, and to realize that you are as worthy as anyone else out there. > > Once you are comfortable with yourself and who you are, the rest becomes much easier. > > I will definitely agree that surrounding yourself with beautiful women makes it easier to meet and date other beautiful women. It’s called social proofing and I have talked about that as well in other posts. I’m sure social proofing is a unique and new idea that you came up with mark 🙂 once again i have actually walked the path and have now dated models, singers, strippers and came from a place where i would sweat and turn bright red just talking to grandma. i believe in action and field testing rather than hypothosing, if you actually just implement only what is in this post then you will get hot women in your life adventually. there really is no doubt or question, you will get it. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/17 "2008-12-04T16:00:05Z")
Kingy, When all is said and done, this forum is for talking about pheromones, not PUA. You have posted 8 times, promoting your website each time via your signature and have yet to mention pheromones once. Pardon me for being cynical, but it reeks of spam to me. I’m sure that you have great success with models and I wish you all the best with it, I’m happily married and ain’t interested. Mark has great success with pheromones which, after all, is what we are here to talk about. A sensible PUA, no matter how successful would recognise that he can get better and, just maybe, might ask for some advice regarding pheromones? ---
**Author:** ![kingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kingy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kingy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/18 "2008-12-04T16:10:11Z")
please could you recommend me some pheromones and ill give it a try ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/19 "2008-12-04T16:19:25Z")
> [@kingy](#): > > please could you recommend me some pheromones and ill give it a try No probs at all. I don’t think anyone on here could doubt your confidence so we know a little about you already. Have a read of this thread [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934), When you’ve done that, post your introduction thread and there are plenty of guys who will gladly give you a couple of pointers. I bet even you and Yad (yes I’ve been and had a look, you got me!) have something that you wish you could improve.😉 ---
**Author:** ![lizard473](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lizard473/32/1267_2.png) [@lizard473](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lizard473)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521/20 "2008-12-04T17:09:38Z")
Not to defend Kingy, and it may be my naiveté when it comes to pheros and this forum in general, but I still agree with his points on confidence and the fact that all women are approachable if you make the effort. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/important-post-on-how-to-get-hot-hot-women/23521.md?page=2)