# In response to Bella, regarding copulins **URL:** \ **Category:** Messages From Michael\ **Created:** [August 6, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-response-to-bella-regarding-copulins/31353 "2009-08-06T08:13:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-response-to-bella-regarding-copulins/31353/3 "2009-08-06T13:04:08Z")
Hi Michael, Thanks for responding but I have a lot of concerns in that thread that were never answered and maybe you can answer them here directly: 1. Jasmin has said she will release the formulas of the MX and asked which ones we wanted? > [@Which MXs do you want the formulas of?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mxs-do-you-want-the-formulas-of/12328): > > Just like Penn & Teller showing you how last season’s magic tricks work, we’re goign to publish a few of MXs. This is to encourage your own individual experimentation, as well to encourage us to come up with new mixing strategies as we create new MXs. I can give you almost anything. I have to get each one approved, but I think the only ones that are really hands off are the A314 type ons. Which ones do you guys want? In another thread she said once MX292 and the Raw Power Test pack was out for a while and tested and enough feedback has been given that formula would be released as well I can find the posts or you can just take my word on it. After a while I get tired of the empty promises. If you are going to promise us as customers and not follow through i rather nothing ever be said. 1. an issue arose in that thread about using placebos in the test packs and I cannot recall who said what, and I defended Androtics saying they would never use placebos because i never ever read anywhere that a placebo would be used, now I understand a placebo as a sugar pill like drug trials use, but then Steve corrected me and that terminology is probably being used wrong. If AD is using placebos in that you send out a test pack and one of the vials has no pheros in it, then to me that is unethical beucase I am paying for it, it is not like I am getting it for free. If you were giving me test packs for free by all means i would have no complaints about sending out placebos. All this time I assumed when I am paying to help beta research for you guys I am getting pheros of course I have no idea what they are but at least I am getting something. Can you please for the record explain how you guys use placebos? Are they just variations of formulas? in the packs? Or are they sugar pills? 1. I have been here since Feb 2008 and since that time I have done a lot of testing and not one MX has ever gone to the consumer line? I do not understand why? There is a point where it feels like why do I even bother. We have had some great MX series from MX203 to MX292, to MX272 and a few others off the top of my head you might ask why do I care? Well for one reason I am stuck with whatever scent it is being used. Which most times it is either game or akuto. And also you can only get them in 5ml like MX292 At this point in time I have no motivations to do anymore testing, I am tired of testing with scents I despise and with this economy my investments are down, my job security is in trouble, and I am only going to buy pheros that I know work for sure. As for Androtics I am seriously questioning what is going on here and very dissappointed with what is going on lately and I have been a loyal customer for a long time. one last thing > [@](#): > > Futurist said we could sell MX101 – Pheromone Proof – here again and keep all the profits to ourselves. This was more than generous of him, and despite what he told Jasmin… I said no… let’s save it for when we have a proper royalty payment system in place. (which we’re building for the next version of the company) We have been hearing about [Pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) Proof for a while and it seems like it will never happen I keep hearing about next version and changes coming but I have been hearing about that for over a year I think and yet to see anything new. I am just disappointed and one positive thing I do like is that you are interacting with its customer base - a big plus in my book. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-response-to-bella-regarding-copulins/31353)._