# In search of the perfect P83 and P86 combo **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 17, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715 "2008-07-17T14:05:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/1 "2008-07-17T14:05:53Z")
Boy! Am I a searching MOFO! All through the Mad Tater’s Journal and then some. Tater’s J being the be resources. Have I got loads of questions … **Tish** , darling, you’ve witheld evindence, and I want it … at least the mcgs, if you can recall. With that being said, will you, **Flaming** , and **Steveo** , please brain storm your past for me. I’m trying to make that perfect order. Wish that Tater would raise his head, wipe the mustard from his lips and donate. Would really like to have the best mcgs per spray and ratios for wearing [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with P86. There’s lots of different ideas on P83 … use little, I use a lot, up the mcgs, lower the mcgs. My key notes: **1)** The sense of urgency you get from **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) can easily work as a negative. If somebody wants to do something, 25mcg is like sticking a scorching hot brand to them. Sometimes this means that a small thing turns into a huge argument followed by “I dont know why that bothered me so much.” **P86** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is STILL the sensuality, TOUCH ME, phero but Tater is changing his definition of **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)). Its not TOUCH ME NOW. Its GO AHEAD AND DO IT in an irritating way. Just like [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/), [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) and [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/), Tater does not recommend wearing it alone since a lot depends on the phero signature youre already giving off. Tater wore 50mcg of **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)). Also noticed that 100mcg can take a low-grade unconfessed attraction and turn it into irritation. It created tension but it came out as annoyance. I think you need to be in the right environment for that tension to work for you. **2)** I used two sprays of P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) (total: 25mcg) on my neck and one spray [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 1.0 on my wrists (not the pulse side) … result was this girl really was attracted and interested in me like crazy, smiling at my jokes and other stuff I told her … **(PHOENIX)** **3)** I got turned off **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) by flamings description of what his gf said about feeling like she was caught in a spider’s web…though I can’t remember what the exact dose was that prompted that response/feeling. I know that he/she had a better reaction when he tried it again at a lower dose. Am I on track flaming? **(BELLA)** The day my girlfriend made this comment i was wearing 3x 12.5 **p83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **two sprays applied to the front of my neck** and **one spray to the back**. the second time i only used one 12.5 spray and that was to the back of my neck…this time it made for wild intense sexual effects. Since that time iv worn the lower dose to good effect but i always make the **p83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) a minor player in a mix. **(FLAMING)** **4)** I love **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) I got it in a big bottle and upped the [MCG](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) though. I have tested it on countless subjects both male and female and of course on myself and that hypnotic seductive erotic result occured each time. I do have to admit you need to be in the right enviroment when testing it. I tested it in laid back party type enviroments and work. In a leasure type enviroment inhibitions flew out the window. People did things that I cant repeat here. I thought ok this has got to be a fluke and tryed it again at the next party with the same results. Out in a everyday mix where people have to watch there behavior its erotic but you can almost see people holding back because they need to check there behavior. I have had a lot of displaying. People showing me there gym abs and actually flexing for me. (One funny story) We were talking about the gym at work and one guy yelled out hey Tish look at this and pulled his shirt up and flexed his abs. Postmaster had a fit. I have noticed women in my group preen and begin to move in a seductive manner. Its good stuff, on its own its a bit raw, mixed with the right mones it’s powerful voodoo. **(TISH)** **Tish, darling, give up the info …** **How many mcgs per spray did you up to?** **How many sprays did were you wearing?** **5)** Regarding **p83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))… yes Bella as Tater says there is a kind of target dosage so initially i used to much with my GF 37.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) .Later i scaled down to 12.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) and got a very erotic response. I gotta test it more but im liking **p83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) so far **(FLAMING 40-y-o)** **Flaming, did figure out your magic dosage for your girl?** **How old is she?** **Were you using just one spray of the 12.5 mcg or were you using more sprays and 12.5 worked better than a higher mcgs per spray bottle?** **6)** I used my very last bit of P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) last night. 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) total. I wanted to test it in an more open environment such as a mall in which case I did. I was waiting on some friends as I was a bit early for our weekly Lair roundup. I happened upon a young lady from another country. She was dressed ultra-conservative with the kind of glasses you might see on a librarian. They were thick black rimmed and very nerdy. She was nerdy! PERFECT for my testing. As I’ve mentioned before I believe [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) releases animalistic urges in the most reserved people. She was in town as a tourist to see Sun Studios and other Elvis memorabilia. It didn’t take more than a few moments to have her hooked and number in my phone. I got the feeling there was an open invite to join her in her hotel room when she asked if I wanted to see the lingerie she just bought. Uhmm she wasn’t talking about just showing it to me but she was asking if I could help her break it in. I’ll leave it at that! **(STEVEO)** _ **If any one has a good dosage for wearing P83 with P86 … please post your thoughts/ideas.** _ \*\*_Thanks one …thanks all!_ 😛 \*\* ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/2 "2008-07-18T01:05:11Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > **4)** I love **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) I got it in a big bottle and upped the [MCG](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) though. I have tested it on countless subjects both male and female and of course on myself and that hypnotic seductive erotic result occured each time. I do have to admit you need to be in the right enviroment when testing it. I tested it in laid back party type enviroments and work. > > In a leasure type enviroment inhibitions flew out the window. People did things that I cant repeat here. I thought ok this has got to be a fluke and tryed it again at the next party with the same results. > > Out in a everyday mix where people have to watch there behavior its erotic but you can almost see people holding back because they need to check there behavior. I have had a lot of displaying. People showing me there gym abs and actually flexing for me. (One funny story) We were talking about the gym at work and one guy yelled out hey Tish look at this and pulled his shirt up and flexed his abs. Postmaster had a fit. I have noticed women in my group preen and begin to move in a seductive manner. > > Its good stuff, on its own its a bit raw, mixed with the right mones it’s powerful voodoo. **(TISH)** > > **Tish, darling, give up the info …** > > **How many mcgs per spray did you up to?** > > **How many sprays did were you wearing?** > > * * * Weeeeeeee Tish! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/3 "2008-07-18T05:18:13Z")
You really have to be careful with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). It’s definitely something you can’t use in all environments, and must be buffered well. It’s like injecting the Id part of the psyche of the people around you with steroids, and having it dominate the superego. Which results in stronger instinctive urges, sex, aggression, and other primary processes. The higher dose you use, the more repressed your moral compass insisting on socially acceptable behavior becomes. This can also result in strong headaches if in high doses. EDIT: Unfortunately I have not yet had a chance to test out P86, so I’d have to hold off on any thought on it. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/4 "2008-07-18T13:29:37Z")
That sounds similiar to Tater’s explanation of the hot iron. Can you give a tad bit more on your usage and the dosages used, Tmoz? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/5 "2008-07-18T14:41:23Z")
Hey Mr M, here’s as close as Tater ever got to posting actual dosages: > [@The "MAD TATER" Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/341): > > SteveO, i think 1:4 is correct. One of the pheros was massively weak and i only ordered 2.5mcg dosage. Fortunately, one of the MX in my stash had it at 12.5mcg and i was able to try 25mcg:7.5mcg with reasonable volume. Its never good to DRIP pheros. I know i posted on here about a great kissing session i had, but i cant find it. Maybe i should PM Visionary… > [@MadisonTate](#): > > SteveO, i think 1:4 is correct. One of the pheros was massively weak and i only ordered 2.5mcg dosage. Fortunately, one of the MX in my stash had it at 12.5mcg and i was able to try 25mcg:7.5mcg with reasonable volume. Its never good to DRIP pheros. > [@MadisonTate](#): > > Start at 12.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to 2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). I archived some of my notes and need to double-check that, though. Im sure i have the ratio somewhere here. The rest of that little conversation is in the posts right around the link. I second the motion for SteveO to give up the results of his experiments with these two, and whether or not Tater’s ratio gave him any results. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/6 "2008-07-18T16:03:06Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Hey Mr M, here’s as close as Tater ever got to posting actual dosages: > > [The "MAD TATER" Journal - #341 by MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/341) > > The rest of that little conversation is in the posts right around the link. > > I second the motion for SteveO to give up the results of his experiments with these two, and whether or not Tater’s ratio gave him any results. Thanks, Ren! I have that in my Tater’s notes, I just didn’t post it … posted the good stuff. I’m waiting for **Tish** to peep in and give up how much and how she wore [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) during her testing period! 😛 Her stories sounds more potent than Tater’s. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/7 "2008-07-19T08:46:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Its good stuff, on its own its a bit raw, mixed with the right pheromones it’s powerful voodoo. **(TISH)** > > **Tish, darling, give up the info …** > > **How many mcgs per spray did you up to?** > > **How many sprays did were you wearing?** When that was posted I was using 12.5 mcg at about 3 sprays. The last bottle I got I bought at 25 mcg and I use it when I mix or wear 2 sprays. I will go higher on dosage depending on the situation. I havnt worked with this one much so I am not ready to report more. Hot tub part at Janes that I posted about people getting naked there must have been 4 to 5 sprays of 12.5 in the room. Poker party that I reported on was about 2 to 3 sprays if I recall correctly. I havnt had any headaches from this dosage. IMO its very much dependant on what other [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) your wearing with it. If your wearing a sexual mix it can push it toward being more erotic If your wearing a fun mix it turns into sexy fun… > [@](#): > > I’m waiting for **Tish** to peep in and give up how much and how she wore [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) during her testing period! 😛 Her stories sounds more potent than Tater’s. Sorry it took so long yesterday was my anniversary and I was busy LOL Tisha ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/8 "2008-07-19T13:41:08Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > When that was posted I was using 12.5 mcg at about 3 sprays. > > The last bottle I got I bought at 25 mcg and I use it when I mix or wear 2 sprays. I will go higher on dosage depending on the situation. I havnt worked with this one much so I am not ready to report more. > > Hot tub part at Janes that I posted about people getting naked there must have been 4 to 5 sprays of 12.5 in the room. > > Poker party that I reported on was about 2 to 3 sprays if I recall correctly. > > I havnt had any headaches from this dosage. > > IMO its very much dependant on what other pheromones your wearing with it. > > If your wearing a sexual mix it can push it toward being more erotic > > If your wearing a fun mix it turns into sexy fun… > > Sorry it took so long yesterday was my anniversary and I was busy LOL > > Tisha Thankya, darrrrrling! And congrats on your Anniversary … may you see many more wearing a smile. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/9 "2008-07-19T20:11:49Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > IMO its very much dependant on what other pheromones your wearing with it. > > If your wearing a sexual mix it can push it toward being more erotic > > If your wearing a fun mix it turns into sexy fun… Hmmm..that clears up a couple things for me. Thanks. It makes sense now what happened when I added p83 to a mix of mostly socials. Mostly just grab ass and a lot of laughing. Sexy fun. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/10 "2008-07-20T22:15:03Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > Hmmm..that clears up a couple things for me. Thanks. It makes sense now what happened when I added p83 to a mix of mostly socials. Mostly just grab ass and a lot of laughing. Sexy fun. 😃 How long have you been playing with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), Phya, and how much do you normally apply? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-search-of-the-perfect-p83-and-p86-combo/15715/11 "2008-07-21T07:36:23Z")
Not very long, in fact only once, and that was 25 mcgs, along with a whole bunch of other stuff. I wrote about it somewhere here. Lemme see.. > [@If it helps you too, great...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/123): > > Thanks PS. slight_smile I forgot to mention. I don’t know how much pheromones played a part, but I was stupid and got pulled over. Some people started crossing the street after the light turned green, after having stood there waiting to cross the other way.. Anyways, the cop lets me off with a stern warning. I don’t care if it was the pheromones or not, I was just happy to be home! slight_smile Okay, so last night was pretty good too. I wore 2 sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), 1.5 sprays of IH… > [@Phya](#): > > I wore 2 sprays of Instant Openness, 1.5 sprays of IH4X, 25mcg of p74, and 2 sprays of IS2X. Damn..I hope I’m remembering this correctly. > > Okay, soo there’s not much to say that you guys don’t already know about IS, Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, or p74. I will say this. > > I sprayed ~25mcgs of p83 midway through the party, when everyone’s pretty much buzzed or drunk, and one friend of ours is so drunk, and is going around feeling..pretty much everyone..up. His hands were pretty much attached to a booty or booby at all times. We’re all close friends and have known each other for a long time, and he was shitfaced, so the girls just laughed it off. But it was honestly **ridiculous** how persistent he was. We had to make sure he didn’t run off anywhere and get in trouble. > > He’s been verrrrry shitty before, but it was the first time we’ve really seen him like that. I think it was the p83, touchy feely for sure. That’s the part you’re probably interested in. To add a little to that, it really actually slowly built up. First he was just really touchy and hanging on the shoulder of my friend’s dad. But then after the parents and older guests left, the girls started dancing with each other. Then they started giving each other lap dances, learned a little salsa, and so on. It began to get outta hand around the time my shit faced friend, sitting on the couch, reaches up and grabs two girls, one in each arm, and pulls them down onto the couch…well sorta more onto him, onto the couch. From that point, it just completely got out of control. This is keeping in mind that I wasn’t really in their presence for the prior hour with the p83 on. It was only till after I rejoined them that things kinda turned this way. Also, I didn’t mention it to the Dr when I was talking about body language, but he had was actually invading my space to the point where I had literally backed up 3 feet. The thing is that it happened over an hour or so, so he had no idea. The only reason I realized at first was because I noticed I had to reach further and further for my drink. 😃 I haven’t been in too many situations where I’d feel comfortable sending out that kinda vibe since then, especially if what I’ve seen so far is any indicator of what p83’s capable of.. 🙂