# "In the world's quietest place, 'you become the sound'" **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [April 22, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346 "2012-04-22T19:07:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![QuietGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/bc8723/32.png) [@QuietGuy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/QuietGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/1 "2012-04-22T19:07:33Z")
> [@](#): > > The quietest place on Earth is a room in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and the longest anyone has stayed in the dark there is 45 minutes. The ‘anechoic chamber’ at Orfield Laboratories absorbs over 99 percent of sound with 3-foot-thick fiberglass wedges and insulated walls, removing virtually every sound except that of people and objects brought into the chamber." ↳Click here to read the full article. ([In the world’s quietest place, ‘you become the sound’ | The Verge](http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/5/2927823/orfield-laboratories-worlds-quietest-place)) ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/2 "2012-04-23T10:19:56Z")
The comment strings are just comic gold. I think Dave Chapelle is on there. ---
**Author:** ![cordless](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cordless/32/2081_2.png) [@cordless](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cordless)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/3 "2012-04-23T11:44:00Z")
This sounds similar to the book I’m reading by Haruki Murakami called “Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World: A Novel”. A scientist has developed a technique to remove sound from people and objects. It’s definitely worth the read. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/4 "2012-04-24T19:47:33Z")
I would love to bring my audio equipment in there! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/5 "2012-04-25T02:24:01Z")
Obviously these people have never meditated. Thats all you hear, the sound of your own body functioning. Meditate deep enough and you can hear the flow of your own blood. I dont see how quiet could make people crazy in 45 minutes. Maybe extreme long periods of it but then again think about it, do deaf people get disorientated and have hallucinations ? I think the reporter is exaggerating a bit. The room is cool though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Andsoitgoes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/andsoitgoes/32/220_2.png) [@Andsoitgoes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Andsoitgoes)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 8:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/6 "2012-04-25T08:23:32Z")
> [@cordless](#): > > This sounds similar to the book I’m reading by Haruki Murakami called “Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World: A Novel”. A scientist has developed a technique to remove sound from people and objects. It’s definitely worth the read. I checked him out on Goodreads and read several quotes. I like his style very much. It sort of reminds me of Tom Robbins, but not as cynical.. more wistful, I guess. Thank you for mentioning him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jedi\_Nights](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jedi_nights/32/346_2.png) [@Jedi\_Nights](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jedi_Nights)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/7 "2012-04-25T11:43:38Z")
One place I worked in the '80s had such a chamber that was also used for our annual hearing tests. When it was not in use I would often go spend time in it during lunch break. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/8 "2012-04-25T14:34:36Z")
Interesting article, thanks for sharing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/9 "2012-04-26T03:08:45Z")
That’s cool, using an “anechoic chamber” to test products for sound! And using it for marketing makes sense. Anything to get an edge/be more appealing. It certainly wasn’t designed for people, lol! Actually 45 minutes is a long time under those conditions. Sounds more like torture to me, lol. Yeah, cool for about five minutes … then … \>\>\>\> LEMMEOUTTAHEEEEEERE!!! 😮 > [@tisha23](#): > > _ **I dont see how quiet could make people crazy in 45 minutes. Maybe extreme long periods of it but then again think about it, do deaf people get disorientated and have hallucinations ?** _ I don’t think so because although they’re deaf, they still have their other senses/sensory input. However if you put a deaf person in a sensory deprivation tank, I suspect, being deprived of other sensory input, (just like hearing people), they would also become disoriented/hallucinate. > [@](#): > > \*\*\* Nasa, meanwhile, uses a similar chamber to test its astronauts.\*\*\*_ **They are put in a water-filled tank inside the room to see ?how long it takes before hallucinations take place and whether they could work through it?.** _ > _ **As Mr Orfield explains, space is like one giant anechoic chamber, so it’s crucial that astronauts are able to stay focussed.** _ > [@](#): > > _ **“In extreme cases, the sensory deprivation is debilitating. NASA astronauts train by being placed in a water tank in the room, an experience that apparently causes hallucinations as the body tries to create sensations out of thin air.”** _ Ah, that reminds me of the Ken Russell film, Altered States, with William Hurt. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/6/6b11079f8f252fc63fdd11b14360292ba9ba5c2f.jpeg "Altered States - title sequence") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esMg3eztc2s) William Hurts character was inspired by the experiments conducted by John C. Lilly, a fascinating man, who first used the tank in 1954 in order to test the effects of sensory deprivation/perceptual isolation. I might also mention Lilly was friends with Timothy Leary which might explain why in some of his later experiments his subjects were also under the influence of hallucinogenics while in the tank. 😮 William Hurt was also fulla schroom stew when he was in the tank, lol. He was “altered” all right. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. No wonder he was seeing God! 😃 [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/plotsummary](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/plotsummary) I can see quite a difference between how someone would be effected by and feel in the anechoic chamber (wooden sensory deprivation box) as opposed to the floating sensory deprivation tank. Compared to gently floating in a tank the box seems uncomfortable/claustrophobic/kinda harsh. I can understand being intrigued and going in there out curiosity but how can you reach anything but an anxious state when you’re already going in under duress? Meaning you’re in a box feeling trapped and challenged to stay in there until you can no longer endure it! So, most likely you wouldn’t exactly be in the right frame of mind to begin with would you… and even if you were, evidently under those particular conditions, it quickly changes. However, floaters find that after entering the tank they quickly become so relaxed that any fears disappear. Also the weightlessness effect and the absence of light give the floater a feeling not of being in an enclosed place but rather of being comfortably suspended in infinite space. Floating in a near gravity free state, in skin temperature salt water, in “tranquility” tanks, can be very pleasant indeed and has many therapeutic benefits both physically and mentally. Floating promotes tremendous muscle relaxation and helps the body to rapidly expel waste. It also speeds recovery from physical stress _and_ often induces states of higher consciousness and a prolonged sense of well-being. 🙂 Mentally, floating eliminates external distractions and allows the floater to drop into a Theta state that can last for days. You do it gradually and as you become accustomed/acclimated to doing it, you can spend more time in the tank. Ain’t nobody gettin’ to a Theta state in that box, lol. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/a/a6aa0c78ec4cb74f72f82579c3849d43b2548bdb.jpeg "The Floating World (Sensory Deprivation Tanks) 1/3") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRNW44ffgH8) [http://io9.com/5829343/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-sensory-deprivation-tanks](http://io9.com/5829343/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-sensory-deprivation-tanks) [http://johnclilly.com/](http://johnclilly.com/) [http://www.samadhitank.com/history.html](http://www.samadhitank.com/history.html) [http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch\_SearchValue\_0=EJ824841&ERICExtSearch\_SearchType\_0=no&accno=EJ824841](http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ824841&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ824841) Bella ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/10 "2012-04-26T09:52:22Z")
Like Bella, I’m going to jump on Tisha here too 🙂. Yeah, its jump on Tisha day 😛 > [@tisha23](#): > > Obviously these people have never meditated. Thats all you hear, the sound of your own body functioning. Meditate deep enough and you can hear the flow of your own blood. > > I dont see how quiet could make people crazy in 45 minutes. Maybe extreme long periods of it but then again think about it, do deaf people get disorientated and have hallucinations ? > > I think the reporter is exaggerating a bit. The room is cool though. > > Tisha I meditate at least 30-45 minutes every single day and while I can obtain a certain level of deepness there has never been a time of sensory deprived. If the fire alarm went off I’d hear it. I believe its vastly different from being deprived of all sound and site though. From what I understand you are in the dark. If you take a ping pong ball and cut it in half and then put it over your eyes it will create hallucination. Its a form of sensory deprivation too. When I use my mind machine after a little while it becomes difficult to not go psycho from the deprivation. I just don’t think meditation, for the vast majority of us, is even close to deprivation. Remember when you locked me in the garage so you could have that all night fling with that guy you call your husband? I was in there 19 hours without food, water, not even a girl. It was complete torture and while I still had all of my sense intact it was cruel and unusual. What does this have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, but I did want others to know the lengths you’ll go 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/11 "2012-04-27T01:17:32Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > _ **Like Bella, I’m going to jump on Tisha here too 🙂. Yeah, its jump on Tisha day 😛** _ > > _ **I meditate at least 30-45 minutes every single day and while I can obtain a certain level of deepness there has never been a time of sensory deprived. If the fire alarm went off I’d hear it. I believe its vastly different from being deprived of all sound and site though. From what I understand you are in the dark. If you take a ping pong ball and cut it in half and then put it over your eyes it will create hallucination. Its a form of sensory deprivation too. When I use my mind machine after a little while it becomes difficult to not go psycho from the deprivation. I just don’t think meditation, for the vast majority of us, is even close to deprivation.** _ > > _ **Remember when you locked me in the garage so you could have that all night fling with that guy you call your husband? I was in there 19 hours without food, water, not even a girl. It was complete torture and while I still had all of my sense intact it was cruel and unusual. What does this have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, but I did want others to know the lengths you’ll go** _ 😃 I wasn’t jumping on Tisha, lol. Although I’m sure you enjoyed picturing that, you naughty naughty boy. 😃 I was just trying to answer her question. Jeez, no wonder she locked you in the garage! 🙄 God and mankind knows Tisha’s perfectly jumpable. And _if_ I swung that way, I’d certainly consider it, lol. Especially if we could hear your screams from the garage! 😛 Bella ---
**Author:** ![QuietGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/bc8723/32.png) [@QuietGuy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/QuietGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/12 "2012-05-10T20:51:28Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > The comment strings are just comic gold. I think Dave Chapelle is on there. You ain’t kidding about that comment string Lol! I take it that you are a 'Chappelle’s show" fan? ☺ > [@cordless](#): > > This sounds similar to the book I’m reading by Haruki Murakami called “Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World: A Novel”. A scientist has developed a technique to remove sound from people and objects. It’s definitely worth the read. That sounds cool you mentioning that reminds me of an episode of “buffy the vampire slayer” called hush the plot pertains to some demons arriving in Sunnydale who had the ability to nullify every person in that town ability to speak. > [@sigma](#): > > I would love to bring my audio equipment in there! Yeah I bet some primo sounds can be produce in this room from your equipment. ☺ > [@tisha23](#): > > Obviously these people have never meditated. Thats all you hear, the sound of your own body functioning. Meditate deep enough and you can hear the flow of your own blood. > [@tisha23](#): > > Obviously these people have never meditated. Thats all you hear, the sound of your own body functioning. Meditate deep enough and you can hear the flow of your own blood. When I meditate, I pay attention to my heart beat listening to it rhythmic sounds relaxes me and in turn slows it’s beat down making it more pleasant and relaxing to listen to I guess I am describing some kind of feedback loop or something. > [@tisha23](#): > > dont see how quiet could make people 🆒 crazy in 45 minutes. Tisha Being in there would probably put me to sleep in 45 minuts Lol! ☺ > [@Andsoitgoes](#): > > I checked him out on Goodreads and read several quotes. I like his style very much. It sort of reminds me of Tom Robbins, but not as cynical.. more wistful, I guess. Thank you for mentioning him. 🙂 I looked this dude up seems like a real hip cat! ☺ > [@Jedi\_Nights](#): > > One place I worked in the '80s had such a chamber that was also used for our annual hearing tests. When it was not in use I would often go spend time in it during lunch break. I can relate to some degree I used to eat lunch in a small vacant office on a regular basis at a former job.☺ > [@kelsey](#): > > Interesting article, thanks for sharing 😃 You bet Mickalia! ☺ > [@Bella](#): > > That’s cool, using an “anechoic chamber” to test products for sound! And using it for marketing makes sense. Anything to get an edge/be more appealing. It certainly wasn’t designed for people, lol! Actually 45 minutes is a long time under those conditions. Sounds more like torture to me, lol. Yeah, cool for about five minutes … then … \>\>\>\> LEMMEOUTTAHEEEEEERE!!! 😮 > > I don’t think so because although they’re deaf, they still have their other senses/sensory input. However if you put a deaf person in a sensory deprivation tank, I suspect, being deprived of other sensory input, (just like hearing people), they would also become disoriented/hallucinate. > > Ah, that reminds me of the Ken Russell film, Altered States, with William Hurt. > > [Altered States - title sequence - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esMg3eztc2s) > > William Hurts character was inspired by the experiments conducted by John C. Lilly, a fascinating man, who first used the tank in 1954 in order to test the effects of sensory deprivation/perceptual isolation. I might also mention Lilly was friends with Timothy Leary which might explain why in some of his later experiments his subjects were also under the influence of hallucinogenics while in the tank. 😮 William Hurt was also fulla schroom stew when he was in the tank, lol. He was “altered” all right. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. No wonder he was seeing God! 😃 I guess you can say he was having an Umani party-a-thon! 🆒 > [@Bella](#): > > [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/plotsummary](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080360/plotsummary)Bella I’ve seen this movie it was tremendously bizarre to me Probable because it was so out of my depth of understanding (I was kid when I have seen it) A shout out goes to that slice of holy Pete broaght to you by that man sized booger scene… > [@Bella](#): > > I can see quite a difference between how someone would be effected by and feel in the anechoic chamber (wooden sensory deprivation box) as opposed to the floating sensory deprivation tank. Compared to gently floating in a tank the box seems uncomfortable/claustrophobic/kinda harsh. > > I can understand being intrigued and going in there out curiosity but how can you reach anything but an anxious state when you’re already going in under duress? Meaning you’re in a box feeling trapped and challenged to stay in there until you can no longer endure it! So, most likely you wouldn’t exactly be in the right frame of mind to begin with would you… and even if you were, evidently under those particular conditions, it quickly changes. > > However, floaters find that after entering the tank they quickly become so relaxed that any fears disappear. Also the weightlessness effect and the absence of light give the floater a feeling not of being in an enclosed place but rather of being comfortably suspended in infinite space. Floating in a near gravity free state, in skin temperature salt water, in “tranquility” tanks, can be very pleasant indeed and has many therapeutic benefits both physically and mentally. Floating promotes tremendous muscle relaxation and helps the body to rapidly expel waste. It also speeds recovery from physical stress _and_ often induces states of higher consciousness and a prolonged sense of well-being. 🙂 > > Mentally, floating eliminates external distractions and allows the floater to drop into a Theta state that can last for days. You do it gradually and as you become accustomed/acclimated to doing it, you can spend more time in the tank. Ain’t nobody gettin’ to a Theta state in that box, lol. > > [The Floating World 1/3 - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRNW44ffgH8&feature=related) Bella I watched all three parts of the rad video! Ya’ know those people being interviewed sure seem relaxed. ☺ > [@Bella](#): > > [http://io9.com/5829343/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-sensory-deprivation-tanks](http://io9.com/5829343/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-sensory-deprivation-tanks)Bella Geez Louise! Those (now defunct) isolation tank masks are gnarly. They look like they belong inside a bedroom secret cupboard. 😛 This part was my favorite of that [io9.com](http://io9.com) article: “The lack of a temperature differential plays with your ability to perceive where your body ends and where the water and air begin.” > [@Bella](#): > > [http://johnclilly.com/](http://johnclilly.com/)Bella Aside from the intriguing information on Isolation Tanks there is also some high brow self developement stuff in here. ☺ > [@Bella](#): > > [http://www.samadhitank.com/history.html](http://www.samadhitank.com/history.html) > Bella Mr. Perry descriptions of how he felt after he left the Isolation Tank have parallels to what I have heard someone describe to me there experience when they come out of being hypnotized. I guess that should not be all too surprising considering both can put people in a theta state. I wonder if these two Theta inducing methodologies. > [@Bella](#): > > [http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch\_SearchValue\_0=EJ824841&ERICExtSearch\_SearchType\_0=no&accno=EJ824841](http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ824841&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ824841)Bella I never heard of “burn-out syndrome” before. > [@Bella](#): > > Especially if we could hear your screams from the garage! 😛 > Bella Better not let Steve scream! 😮 [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/4/4f04d6363bf53e2b8768e08ac5bfe66f77ed2f62.jpeg "Johnny Weismuller Tarzan Call") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/13 "2012-05-11T03:35:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Like Bella, I’m going to jump on Tisha here too > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/smile.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/smile.gif) > > . Yeah, its jump on Tisha day > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/tongue.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/tongue.gif) Bella is not jumping on me, were just talking LOL > [@](#): > > I meditate at least 30-45 minutes every single day and while I can obtain a certain level of deepness there has never been a time of sensory deprived. I guess I meditate deeper then most because I can turn off whats outside but I get what your saying. I have learned to turn off some senses and focus on one at a time. I have never been able to to let go of all of them though, that would be out of body. Astro travel I think they call it. If I ever get that deep my first trip will be to come over and jump on you 😉 > [@](#): > > Remember when you locked me in the garage so you could have that all night fling with that guy you call your husband? I was in there 19 hours without food, water, not even a girl. It was complete torture and while I still had all of my sense intact it was cruel and unusual. What does this have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, but I did want others to know the lengths you’ll go 😃 😮 Tattle tale Just for the record… It was only 6 hours it just felt like 19. Sensory deprivation will make you lose sense of time. Oh and the door was open you could have just came out of the garage at any time. 😃 Tish ---
**Author:** ![dePlume](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deplume/32/181_2.png) [@dePlume](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dePlume)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/14 "2012-05-11T03:45:58Z")
I’m with Tisha I’d love some time in that room. I have SID (sensory integration disorder) and a special needs child, some real shut-down time would be welcome! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/in-the-worlds-quietest-place-you-become-the-sound/55346/15 "2012-05-11T09:47:48Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Bella is not jumping on me, were just talking LOL > > I guess I meditate deeper then most because I can turn off whats outside but I get what your saying. I have learned to turn off some senses and focus on one at a time. I have never been able to to let go of all of them though, that would be out of body. Astro travel I think they call it. If I ever get that deep my first trip will be to come over and jump on you 😉 > > 😮 Tattle tale > > Just for the record… > > It was only 6 hours it just felt like 19. Sensory deprivation will make you lose sense of time. Oh and the door was open you could have just came out of the garage at any time. 😃 > > Tish I think you and Bella both have the wrong image going through your minds compared to the image I have of Bella jumping on you…rawr 😉