# Initial P74 Testing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663 "2008-05-15T12:44:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/1 "2008-05-15T12:44:27Z")
Tuesday I decided to test P74 as a standalone product. I sprayed on 60 mcg’s and headed to Hooters for happy hour. I sat at the table I usually sit at on Tuesdays (after all I am a creature of habit), which is right by the food station and all the waitresses have to pass by repeatedly throughout the night. My favorite waitress ended up having my section this time and after taking my order she came back and sat with me and we got to talking. As has become usual with her, she sat with me more so than doing anything else. We usually have great conversations, talking about conspiracies, weird and strange things, dabble into politics, etc. But, one thing I did notice this time was that she talked about a few things that I think she had been holding back on, including emotional matters, and even strongly criticized me at one point for something I had said a couple of weeks before. The other waitresses were friendly too, smiling at me as they would pass by, and a couple stopping to talk for a quick minute, but none of them were clamoring to sit with us. I tried to joke around with a couple of guys sitting at the table near mine, but they just gave me an f—off look. My initial impression of P74 as a standalone product is that while it may not have an immediate effect, within a couple of minutes of exposure it seems to create a comfort factor and guard dropping effect. The hang time seemed to be about 3 to 3 1/2 hours or so. I am thinking that if P74 is not already a component of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), they could go extremely well together. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/2 "2008-05-15T16:22:48Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I tried to joke around with a couple of guys sitting at the table near mine, but they just gave me an f—off look. I think they are far away from you.. and the p74 didnt get them. With p74 i think i can be accepted by everyone… All my friends ask me HOW do i do it. I can go and talk to everyone.. and i will leave them with smile and next time they see me they will greet me. I even won some free drinks this way. Once at the club there was a big celebrity (singer). And i bet everyone i can talk to him and even become friends. Guess what.. now overtime he is in the club he call me 🙂 Same thing goes for the female signer Kali [http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/th\_erv16d89m.jpg](http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/erv16d89m.jpg) - i got her number. 🙂 To do this [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) its a must. But i dont use P74 as a standalone anymore. A314 + TAA + P74 is the base of the mix. the A1 is a must if you go for the girls. (i am saying all this for the new users.. i know you already know this mark 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/3 "2008-05-15T16:46:14Z")
Hey idle! Do you ever combine [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) with -nols, cause it seems for a lot of people P74 seems to work far better with a little alpha- or beta-androstenol added? Or maybe TAA can replace the -nols?? ---
**Author:** ![deriw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@deriw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deriw)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/4 "2008-05-15T17:01:28Z")
> [@idle](#): > > I think they are far away from you.. and the p74 didnt get them. > > With p74 i think i can be accepted by everyone… > > All my friends ask me HOW do i do it. > I can go and talk to everyone.. and i will leave them with smile and next time they see me they will greet me. > > I even won some free drinks this way. > Once at the club there was a big celebrity (singer). And i bet > everyone i can talk to him and even become friends. Guess what.. now > overtime he is in the club he call me 🙂 > > Same thing goes for the female signer Kali > [http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/th\_erv16d89m.jpg](http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/erv16d89m.jpg) > > - i got her number. 🙂 > > To do this P74 its a must. > > But i dont use P74 as a standalone anymore. > A314 + TAA + P74 is the base of the mix. > the A1 is a must if you go for the girls. > (i am saying all this for the new users.. i know you already know this > mark 😉 ) hey idle, nice mix 🙂 any tips on how the proportions are like for A314+TAA+[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)? 😃 i just realised i’ve all these handy lol. Also. TAA = TAA spray or TAA oil based? ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/5 "2008-05-15T17:07:13Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Hey idle! Do you ever combine P74 with -nols, cause it seems for a lot of people P74 seems to work far better with a little alpha- or beta-androstenol added? Or maybe TAA can replace the -nols?? Yes i do… this is just a base A314 + TAA + [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) I aways go with some nols … openes or honesty.. lately i started using CTTM 2 in my everyday mix. But i think a ratio of 1:2 is best for the nols. (2 sprays Openess and 4 sprays Honesty… or 3 to 6) ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/6 "2008-05-15T17:14:16Z")
> [@deriw](#): > > hey idle, nice mix 🙂 > any tips on how the proportions are like for A314+TAA+P74? 😃 i just realised i’ve all these handy lol. Also. TAA = TAA spray or TAA oil based? I prefer TAA oil… but you can use the sprays as well.. So 1 drop of taa oil is 20 mcg taa so you can figure it out how much sprays to use. 4 drops A314 2-3 drops TAA [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) 50-70mcgs but this is a base. You can wear this mix the way it is. You will still get good results. But i suggest you add some none (just a little.. 1-2 sprays of TUTH) and some nols.. alfa or beta.. its up to you what effect you are after 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/7 "2008-05-15T18:12:43Z")
Does anyone get super tired and crash after using [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)? Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep. Although this last time I was a bit amped up on coffee and didn’t have that affect. I tend to be more in tune with that around me with P74. Nice reporting to both Idle and Mark. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/8 "2008-05-15T18:19:44Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Does anyone get super tired and crash after using P74? Tired… well no.. but i drink allot of coffee through the day(and night) 4-5 coffees a day. And most of the time when i use large doses of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is at the clubs so right after the club i go straight to bed. I will test this out as soon as i can on normal daily wear. maybe tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/9 "2008-05-15T18:23:23Z")
Nope, I don’t get tired on [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and I normally wear not less than 50 mcg. But just as idle has his coffee I have my Yerba Mate which keeps me awake throughout the day, too… ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/10 "2008-05-15T18:49:20Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Does anyone get super tired and crash after using P74? Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep.. Yep, I didn’t even think about it when I wrote this, but I got home around 10:00 and ended up falling asleep on my sofa almost immediately, and I was kind of zoned out yesterday too. I normally NEVER go to sleep before midnight or so. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/11 "2008-05-15T18:54:01Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I am thinking that if P74 is not already a component of Instant Honesty, they could go extremely well together. > [@bubblebob](#): > > Hey idle! Do you ever combine P74 with -nols, cause it seems for a lot of people P74 seems to work far better with a little alpha- or beta-androstenol added? Or maybe TAA can replace the -nols?? That was my thoughts exactly! [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) in conjunction with Nols or TAA would likely multiply the effects. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/12 "2008-05-15T18:55:31Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Yep, I didn’t even think about it when I wrote this, but I got home around 10:00 and ended up falling asleep on my sofa almost immediately, and I was kind of zoned out yesterday too. > > I normally NEVER go to sleep before midnight or so. I will test this up tomorrow for sure !! I have found out that some of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) dont have the same self influence on me like the most of the people report.(i wonder is it blood type related or not).. but i will test this think with 70+mcg to see what will happen ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/13 "2008-05-15T19:04:07Z")
> [@idle](#): > > but i will test this think with 70+mcg to see what will happen For me it was 60 mcg’s [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and 4 bottles of Budweiser. 🙂 But, chemicals can also tend to act weird on me, I.E., alcohol wakes me up, pain killers such as, Vicodan, Darvaset and others do nothing for me and I am actually better off taking Tylenol, and medications that normally make people sleepy do not have that effect on me ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/14 "2008-05-15T19:08:38Z")
This whole aspect of blood types sounds really interesting although I’m still not sure it has anything to do with the whole I’m-reacting-otherwise-than-you thingy. Maybe it’s really time to start some kind of study about this. I mean there’s no better place than this forum, right? @Mark: After 4 Buds I’d sleep like a baby, too… 😃 > [@idle](#): > > I will test this up tomorrow for sure !! > I have found out that some of the pheromones dont have the same self influence on me like the most of the people report.(i wonder is it blood type related or not).. but i will test this think with 70+mcg to see what will happen ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/15 "2008-05-15T19:13:35Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > @Mark: After 4 Buds I’d sleep like a baby, too… 😃 Not me! 4 Buds in 4 1/2 hours and I’m usually wide awake and good to go! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/16 "2008-05-15T19:21:55Z")
lol Mark why didn’t you start with that. With 4 of those i will be going to bed too. I can drink allot of hard alcohol. but i cant drink beer. it gets me sleepy right away. > [@bubblebob](#): > > Maybe it’s really time to start some kind of study about this. I mean there’s no better place than this forum, right? Yes indeed.. but i am starting to think that a good CMS (content management system) will be much more suitable for this. I can even install such a thing and all the forum members can send casual info like this.. then all the info is send to androtics (just an idea… not so hard to realize) I start to wonder how Androtics manage to gather all the info from this forum.. Most of the people report on random reply messages.. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/17 "2008-05-15T19:33:08Z")
I don’t use p74 alone either. I always pair it with something else. There are foundation pheromones, medium pheromones, and topping pheromones as I see it. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) sort of falls in the medium/topping category for me. P74 is a topping, the way I see it. Although I never tried doses upwards of 40mcgs. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/18 "2008-05-15T19:34:57Z")
> [@idle](#): > > lol Mark > why didn’t you start with that. > With 4 of those i will be going to bed too. > > I can drink allot of hard alcohol. > but i cant drink beer. it gets me sleepy right away. > > Yes indeed.. but i am starting to think that a good CMS (content management system) will be much more suitable for this. > I can even install such a thing and all the forum members can send > casual info like this.. then all the info is send to Androtics > (just an idea… not so hard to realize) > > I start to wonder how Androtics manage to gather all the info from this forum.. > > Most of the people report on random reply messages.. 😕 Sounds like a good idea! What are you waiting for? 😉 Since I almost stopped drinking alcohol (aside from a glass of wine on special occasions or a single beer here or there) I’m probably lying under the table or singing dirty songs after 4 beer… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/19 "2008-05-15T19:37:07Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > I don’t use p74 alone either. Nor do I, but I heard that Jasmin was looking for test results on standalone [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). And well, anything for Jazzy right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/20 "2008-05-15T19:38:57Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Nor do I, but I heard that Jasmin was looking for test results on standalone P74. And well, anything for Jazzy right? 🙂 Ah I see..well it’s about time to reup my supply of p74 so I might have an opportunity to check it out solo again. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663.md?page=2)