# Initial P74 Testing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663 "2008-05-15T12:44:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/21 "2008-05-15T21:58:52Z")
i am going to order p74 to go tonight, tried doing it before but for some reason i was having some weird issue with the store will order 37.5 to get a taste for testing and post my results as well ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/22 "2008-05-15T22:37:32Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep. Started using Michael Harris’s suggestion about peptide precursors to fight that effect, scientifically it makes sense but it’s too early to tell first hand how effective it really is. Will update journal after enough usage/time. ---
**Author:** ![deriw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@deriw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deriw)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/23 "2008-05-16T16:17:46Z")
> [@idle](#): > > I prefer TAA oil… but you can use the sprays as well.. > So 1 drop of taa oil is 20 mcg taa > so you can figure it out how much sprays to use. > > 4 drops A314 > 2-3 drops TAA > P74 50-70mcgs > > but this is a base. You can wear this mix the way it is. You will still get good results. > > But i suggest you add some none (just a little.. 1-2 sprays of Turn Up The Heat) and some nols.. alfa or beta.. its up to you > what effect you are after 😉 whoa.. this mix really does melt barriers. people don’t actually realise how physically close you actually get towards them, even when you’re brushing on them for the past fifteen minutes while talking to them 😃 - heh tried it out today lol! props for u man! ---
**Author:** ![deriw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@deriw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deriw)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/24 "2008-05-16T16:21:21Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Does anyone get super tired and crash after using P74? Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep. > > Although this last time I was a bit amped up on coffee and didn’t have that affect. I tend to be more in tune with that around me with P74. > > Nice reporting to both Idle and Mark. HELL YEA! ..and to add to that, i feel asleep in the tub this evening after coming back from school. oops. ---
**Author:** ![deriw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@deriw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deriw)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/25 "2008-05-16T16:23:00Z")
> [@tmoz](#): > > Started using Michael Harris’s suggestion about peptide precursors to fight that effect, scientifically it makes sense but it’s too early to tell first hand how effective it really is. Will update journal after enough usage/time. hey dude, i’m interested 😃 care to share what peptide precursors are? googled but got results about… cockroaches having sex? LOLOL ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/26 "2008-05-16T16:28:41Z")
> [@deriw](#): > > whoa.. this mix really does melt barriers. people don’t actually realise how physically close you actually get towards them, even when you’re brushing on them for the past fifteen minutes while talking to them 😃 - heh tried it out today lol! > > props for u man! 😉 Now go talk to that Mafia boss 😛 i had allot of success with this mix. I become friends even with people that walk with bodyguards and hate to be disturbed. All you need to do is approach them and have them exposed for 5 minutes 😉 btw there is something really interesting.. If you know what kind of drug that Mafia boss is using (most of them do this) you can really get under his/her skin with the correct pheromones. I have the perfect mixes for people that do cocaine, ecstasy or amphetamines. They are so vulnerable to some pheros.. you just cant imagine.. One of them that night decided to give me more than 1000$ just for being so cool 😃 .. i didnt take it.. but now when he is in the club he always pays my bills 😛 ---
**Author:** ![deriw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@deriw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deriw)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/27 "2008-05-16T16:38:07Z")
> [@idle](#): > > 😉 > Now go talk to that Mafia boss 😛 > > i had allot of success with this mix. I become friends even with people that walk with bodyguards and hate to be disturbed. > All you need to do is approach them and have them exposed for 5 minutes 😉 > > btw there is something really interesting.. > If you know what kind of drug that Mafia boss is using (most of them do this) you can really get under his/her skin with the correct pheromones. > > I have the perfect mixes for people that do cocaine, ecstasy or amphetamines. > They are so vulnerable to some pheros.. you just cant imagine.. > > One of them that night decided to give me more than 1000$ just for > being so cool 😃 .. i didnt take it.. > but now when he is in the club he always pays my bills 😛 mafia boss? sheesh. here in singapore - mafia bosses go around with knives and all, and they’re probably the cleanest of the lot. everyone else under them does drugs though, probably. lolol. belgium sounds fun man 😉 ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/28 "2008-05-16T16:41:35Z")
> [@idle](#): > > I will test this up tomorrow for sure !! > I have found out that some of the pheromones dont have the same self influence on me like the most of the people report.(i wonder is it blood type related or not).. but i will test this think with 70+mcg to see what will happen Ok for today i used 50mcg of [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). I didnt get that self effect SteveO mentioned. Tomorrow i will go for 75 and then 100 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/29 "2008-05-16T16:42:09Z")
> [@idle](#): > > 😉 > Now go talk to that Mafia boss 😛 > > i had allot of success with this mix. I become friends even with people that walk with bodyguards and hate to be disturbed. > All you need to do is approach them and have them exposed for 5 minutes 😉 > > btw there is something really interesting.. > If you know what kind of drug that Mafia boss is using (most of them do this) you can really get under his/her skin with the correct pheromones. > > I have the perfect mixes for people that do cocaine, ecstasy or amphetamines. > They are so vulnerable to some pheros.. you just cant imagine.. > > One of them that night decided to give me more than 1000$ just for > being so cool 😃 .. i didnt take it.. > but now when he is in the club he always pays my bills 😛 Um Idle I want these mixes so I can influence those on drugs to get off them. Seriously! OK maybe a little love from the girls on X 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/30 "2008-05-16T16:42:48Z")
> [@deriw](#): > > mafia boss? > > sheesh. here in singapore - mafia bosses go around with knives and all, and they’re probably the cleanest of the lot. everyone else under them does drugs though, probably. > > lolol. belgium sounds fun man 😉 Yup, i agreed with Hot\_wired on that 🙂 They use razor blade knifes to be precise & they got a lot of hunchmen working under them normally taking care of brothels & gambling dens owned by the mafia bosses. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/31 "2008-05-16T17:12:16Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > OK maybe a little love from the girls on X 😃 Becarefull what you wish for SteveO 🙂 You cant get rid of her after that.. I will start writing this as soon as i can.. This really comes in handy if you know what drugs the person you want influence is using ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/32 "2008-05-21T16:57:32Z")
i am going to give my initial reports of p74 after two days of using it so far: first day was not a good test since when I got it was i wearing: 4 drops A314 3 drops [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) 2 sprays [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and then decided to add after getting my shipment 2 Sprays [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) 12.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) initially i did not get any self effects, and to be honest, I did not get any noticeable hits the rest of the day. Next day which is today actually i wore nothing but 50mcg P74 - 4 sprays 1 in the hair, 2 behind each ear, one on wrists, anyway on the way into work today on the train, i hit it off big time with a guy, and not in a gay way, but a cool friendly way, we really bonded and became friends, and exchanged emails felt like i knew him forever, was really cool. Also self effects was very uplifting and energetic, i was not even tired like i usually was in the early am. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/33 "2008-05-21T17:11:55Z")
Thanks you guys for trying out the cutting edge stuff. Even if I don’t try it, it’s good to read about this as a n00b. About being burned out, I did alot of pheros one day and the next day I felt very “omega” and sensitive without them- I know this guy that trash talks everybody and I couldn’t calm him down, not even wearing instant shine (all I tried- I think his issue is a need to dominate people, esp. when he’s upset… also it might have been residual androstenone as I hadn’t taken a shower yet- hmm, better burn the bedsheets). Maybe I had just become more in touch with body language. I drink alot of coffe, probably 6 cups of coffe and/or some tea in a day, plus Pepsi max occasionally. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2008, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/34 "2008-05-22T14:11:49Z")
need to add another cool hit with p74: on way home on the train today the conductor did not even ask for my train pass which is extremely unusual, while yes he knew me, they all know me, this never happens, becuase they can get fired, they take thier jobs very serious, in fact many times in the past i had forgotten my train pass and i had still had the day which is expensive $20, even though i have a monthly pass which costs $340 So today on way home, he looks at me smiles and says, your good, have a great night but never got a chance to even show my pass, it just very unusual for his behavior and did not do it for anyone else ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/35 "2008-06-27T03:31:27Z")
I was going out to run some errands. Had a little A314 and some -nols. I’d never used [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) before so I thought, “I’ll see if I notice anything – one spray can’t hurt.” I just sprayed on 5mcg. On the way out, there was this yellow sticky Attempted Delivery notice from UPS, which really annoyed me because I try not to get deliveries at this address. Walking to my car in the parking lot, I noticed a UPS truck driving down the street. I held up the yellow sticky and he pulled over, looked at it and gave me my package. It felt so normal and reasonable at the time, but in retrospect it is totally bizarre. Those UPS drivers are in a hurry, they aren’t just looking for excuses to stop like that! You try it. I attribute it to the P74. A few days later, another 5mcg P74 before grocery shopping. I accidently walk off with someone else’s cart. No big deal. It happens, but it is usually kind of embarrassing! This guy was so polite and friendly in pointing out that I had his cart. It was actually an enjoyable experience. Again, I attribute it to the P74. Subtle effects with small amounts, but very interesting. I’m gonna have to experiment some more with this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/36 "2008-06-27T19:00:41Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > …I noticed a UPS truck driving down the street. I held up the yellow sticky and he pulled over… Wasn’t he too far away to get a sniff ?? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/37 "2008-06-28T01:27:08Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Wasn’t he too far away to get a sniff ?? You have touched on what I think is one of the great mysteries of pheromones. I know I am not the only person who has noticed IOIs from a great distance. It has been [discussed only briefly elsewhere](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/social-proof-pheromone/13314/32). Most are not ready to take on some “supernatural” explanation. I do think it is entirely possible that self effects change ones demeanor in such a way that people react quite differently. I am not convinced that that can account for all of it. In this case you could say I was lucky that the UPS driver was in a good mood, but there are way too many other cases for them all to be dismissed as simply coincidence. > [@Social Proof Pheromone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/social-proof-pheromone/13314/32): > > I see a woman maybe twenty yards away, or farther. She reacts to my pheromones. She reacts in a way that I know she wouldn’t were I not wearing pheromones. Even if it is scientifically possible for phero molecules waft that far in her direction and be detected by her, how could she ever know that they were coming from me and not the guy standing next to me? But she makes eye contact with me, not him. If the pheromones are effecting my behavior, my mannerisms, posture, facial expressions then how likely is it that she is really going to notice from that far away? > > I have a difficult time conceptualizing the action of pheromones without assuming some kind of extradimentional effect. It would explain why it is so dificult to prove the VNO senses pheromones if some of the requisite physiology exists outside of the three dimensions of space we commonly recongize. It strengthens my suspicions when I read about people doing P83 and hearing their partner moan before it happens. Or they say that they just knew what each other wanted. I don’t think you get that deep of a rapport without some kind of spiritual/psychic/transdimentional connection. I haven’t read anything on this forum before that discusses that kind of possibility. > > I know this offends some you hard core traditional scientist types out there, but I just don’t see other realistic possibilities. Some of you write about binaural effects. The Monroe Institute certainly gets what you might call psychic or clarivoyant activity – even psychokinesis – from their tapes. I have a friend who does what she calls energy medicine. I haven’t been able to interest her in pheromones, but she is basically addicted to essential oils aroma therapy. They are supposed to, among other things, open different chakras including the third eye. I have on occasion, during her demonstrations, caught glimpses of things happening far away and later found that what I saw was accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/38 "2008-07-04T03:25:09Z")
Today I tried P74 again. I was just going out to drop off dry cleaning and pick up some groceries. I used only one drop of A314 (can’t go out completely naked) and three 5mgc sprays of P74. This is less than some of you guys are using but I like to start off low. It’s the highest dose I’ve tried so far. What strikes me is how cooperative people are. I don’t get the deference I get with a proper dose of A314. I don’t get the noise I get with -nols, just complete cooperation. I feel like one of those guys in the old _Mission Impossible_ episodes: Drive up in the panel truck and tell them you’re from the gas company or you’re delivering dry cleaning and they open the security gates and direct you to whereever you ask. I sometimes have difficulty driving because my eyes don’t focus and work together. The forced alertness of caffeine helps a lot. The P74 also seemed to help today, without the speediness of caffeine. On the women’s forum some of the women thought that P74 would make a male into boyfriend material. I don’t doubt that it opens the door to that or that is it is in some way like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Honesty or Shine. I have so far found that if I leave poeple alone they do the same – completely. If I’m wearing Instant Honesty, some stranger is going to stop me on the street to complement my shoes. If I’m wearing A314 people are going to step aside and hold the door for me, unsolicited. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/39 "2008-07-05T00:30:19Z")
> [@denec](#): > > need to add another cool hit with p74: > > on way home on the train today the conductor did not even ask for my train pass which is extremely unusual, while yes he knew me, they all know me, this never happens, becuase they can get fired, they take thier jobs very serious, in fact many times in the past i had forgotten my train pass and i had still had the day which is expensive $20, even though i have a monthly pass which costs $340 > > So today on way home, he looks at me smiles and says, your good, have a great night but never got a chance to even show my pass, it just very unusual for his behavior and did not do it for anyone else Denec’s post above is, I realize, an excellent example of what I was trying to describe yesterday. When you are wearing P74, you are supposed to be where you are, you are supposed to be doing what you are doing – no discussion required. The conductor didn’t need to see his pass, and I’ll bet if the conductor’s supervisor had been watching he would have had no problem with it – almost as though denec were part of the train’s crew. At least, that’s the sort of vibe I’m getting with P74. And it seems to be what Idle is describing as well. I have been getting into the habit of using one spray of IFM and one spray of 2.5mcg TAK around the house to keep the woman from going off on relentless shrill b\*tchy rants. It works amazingly well. Either the IFM or the TAK (even in these small amounts) works very well, but together the results are admirable. I decided to add a spray of P74 (5mcg) to this. It doesn’t seem to cause a lot of chatter like the -nols and wouldn’t a bit more cooperation be nice? What I noticed was that my sons left their computer games, came and sat down with me to watch a movie. It was kind of creepy. It was a good thing. It is what I woud want, but it had this surreal Stepfordville quality to it. Nothing drags them away from video games! I didn’t notice anything obviously different from the woman. So far all the positive results I have noticed from P74 have been from males. Usually it is the women I noitce as being primarily affected by a new [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663.md?page=1)