# Initial TAK observation **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 9, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95 "2006-01-09T19:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/1 "2006-01-09T19:13:33Z")
TAK seems to have a musky aroma that resembles porcini mushrooms, earthy, workin’ guy… what the Frogs call _terrior_ (a quote:“Terroir is a useful, but hard-to-define term, coined by the French. It refers to the site-specific differences in wines that are caused by factors such as soil types, drainage, local microclimate and sun exposure”)… sociable material, appears to help remove layers of the false self/social artifice… one is more natural, more comfortable in one’s skin… Sprayed on 20 mu last night during a stretch of bored insomnia, found myself comfortably laying there, rather at peace with the whole situation, and chose to entertain my mind with high class erotic fantasies until I drifted off to sleep at 5:00 a.m… Got up and went to do some Alexander Technique, my teacher (who is good) was unusually “on” and well attuned to the work, we got plenty done with a minimum of distracting mental crapola… Another teacher in the space was pleasantly agreeable, again dropping many of the “social twitches”, as did the client following me. This is only a preliminary TAK report, I think I sense the TAK influence well established in A314, being at ease with others without the demanding qualities that overtly romantic or erotic [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) possess… Frankly, on a first date or early phases of a relationship, if this TAK experience holds up as a repeatable thing, I’d go for TAK boosted A314 with beta-nol. A314 + beta-nol is my current best of show mix for general social purposes, having people be candid with me, good clear interactions, mind opening rather than mind tightening… getting the hologram of the person instead of beaming in too specifically on a single quality.. TAK might even add a nice fragrance boost to some of the awesome mixes in use already, Earth Dad stuff.😕 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/2 "2006-01-11T05:21:15Z")
TAK appears to be a NMDA receptor antagonist tonight I pulled out the stops and blasted myself with 150 mu of straight TAK, nothing else. At high doses it behaves like a mild dissociative, strong enough that there can be no mistake about what it is doing, though not so strong as to be problematic. Raising firing threshold for NMDA neurons can be a good thing, some anti seizure medicines do this, it has a calming, stabilizing, pain reducing quality… TAK without an oily fixative is also a volatile pheromone which clears relatively quickly. One could see this working effectively with androstenone as it would probably take the edge off the -none, however, androstenone is a more slowly diffusing material, thus the calmative effect of TAK may vanish before the complete impact of the -none has been run through. With high TAK, in various social contexts, subway cars, acting class, people in general were less turfy, less threatened. Combined with other pheromones this may result in being pro-social if lingering fears or discomforts are softened. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/3 "2006-01-11T08:16:26Z")
sounds like promising material for a room diffusion experiment? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/4 "2006-01-11T08:24:27Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > sounds like promising material for a room diffusion experiment? There are fancier ones available, but I’ve retrofitted tons of these for experiments since they work well, are refillable, incognito, and cheap (relative to a “proper diffuser” anyway): [http://www.oustodor.com/oust-air/](http://www.oustodor.com/oust-air/) ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/5 "2006-01-11T13:06:03Z")
afterthoughts I also did notice that although the class had a high woman-man ratio that night the women were unusually comfortable talking to me, as if a natural psychological barrier had been reduced. I spoke with a number of the women who were new to the class as if I had known them for a longer time. Where most pheromones seem to somewhat alter one’s rationality about who one is attracted to, TAK feels like it leaves the rational filters intact, there isn’t an attractive pull so much as there is a reduction in resistance… if that makes any sense. It is likely that those persons who are harboring stressful emotion, have anger issues, mental imbalances or strange neurotocisms may produce something else that is an NMDA agonist (the opposite of an antagonist) that makes others edgy or alert, and probably emotionally defensive, in their presence. TAK may provide a different, possibly more effective way to counter the Lone Wolf syndrome… if social loners are that way in part because they put others on edge, the strategy of using the -nols may not be complete, as one may feel conflicted in their presence or chatty but not fully at ease. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/6 "2006-01-11T16:51:04Z")
> [@Sir Tacitus](#): > > if social loners are that way in part because they put others on edge, the strategy of using the -nols may not be complete, as one may feel conflicted in their presence or chatty but not fully at ease. Interesting thought here, Mister T… Maybe time for a pilot runaround with TAK. You’re always inspiring me to figure out what I oughtta futz around with next! ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/7 "2006-01-22T15:53:57Z")
TAK and intense dreaming… wow last night in a fit of insomnia got up early in the morning around 4:00 a.m. and peregrinated around the net until exhaustion set in… sprayed both forearms with about 40 mu of TAK and hit the sack, out like a light. Had intense, shamanistic, U R There dreams… dreams nested in dreams, like, wake up from one dream to find oneself in another dream… such wild REM sleep… looks like TAK prior to the REM phase allows the ol’ brain to roam far and wide… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/8 "2006-01-28T16:07:15Z")
More dreamwork sprayed on about 200 mu of TAK and about 100 mu of TAL and went to bed early a.m. (dream work happens best when you put this stuff on after about 2:00 a.m so it is working when you enter your REM state)… TAK plus TAL was a pretty unusual mental state… my brain on some level was thinking “there is an intense babe around here someplace even if I can’t see her”… whatever that does to the brainstem, and the TAK was “let 'er rip”… felt like I had been on one of those new high tech roller coasters, woke up feeling mentally stretched and thoroughly worked out… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/9 "2006-03-20T20:13:03Z")
Tacitus/anyone else experimented with v high dose none +TAK? Does TAK generally let one get away with none OD without frightening passers by? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/10 "2006-05-28T16:50:52Z")
TAK is very very strange… I wore 4 sprays of 7.5mg. and the room stopped. literally, everything got quiet fast. it was like a blunt was passed around or something. after it tones down. people lose all nervousness. i once wore TAK, TAH, TAL, TAA. I mean loads of it. dammmn i felt like a million bux. however, i noticed when i spoke, it came out ‘sexy’. which was strange when i was talking to guys. the vibe from it was weird. If I had to rate the mix. Id say it was an Ashton Kutcher mix. if you wear said above, you should wear something masculine like none or A314–recently tried it was A314 and it breaks women down faster than IFM. you can literally say whatever you want, and not get in trouble, after 30min of conversation you can pretty much start commanding. example: “Lets move from the bar to the dancefloor” She will follow with that mix. watch. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/11 "2006-05-28T18:37:30Z")
Strange Brew it iz… TAK is, maybe possibly, the most shamanic of the mones… in that it has this reptile brain thing going on with it, maybe even below the level of sexuality… like time perceptions, location in space…that range of energy… it works best where there’s a high background energy, a lot of intensity trying to actualize, and TAK when used with the right incantations reveals the Zero Point , the Yin Focus that counters to the excess Yang Focus… ---
**Author:** ![R0N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/r0n/32/1570_2.png) [@R0N](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/R0N)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/12 "2007-01-10T23:05:13Z")
Have you ever tried it in a shamanic journey? I have been using IH for meditation instead of burning incense, with greater results in clarity (than incense). Have you any more observations about TAK? ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/13 "2007-01-11T00:12:06Z")
I want to add that TAK makes me feel like Im high on something very relaxing. It has like an earthy, sort of dirt smell but the neroli seems to cover it pretty good. When I’ve worn it these past 2 days, I put 2-3 sprays on my shirt right below my neckline so I can inhale it. I don’t really notice an effect on other people yet, but it really makes me feel uninhibited (if that’s even a word). I can’t imagine what 150mcg or whatever amount that tacitus was using would do, seems like a whole lot. It’s definitely not like spaceland. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/14 "2007-01-11T00:37:39Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > I want to add that TAK makes me feel like Im high on something very relaxing. It has like an earthy, sort of dirt smell but the neroli seems to cover it pretty good. When I’ve worn it these past 2 days, I put 2-3 sprays on my shirt right below my neckline so I can inhale it. I don’t really notice an effect on other people yet, but it really makes me feel uninhibited (if that’s even a word). I can’t imagine what 150mcg or whatever amount that tacitus was using would do, seems like a whole lot. It’s definitely not like spaceland. Try not wearing anything and applying just TAK mid-interaction. a) when you have somebody upset and b) just in the middle of interactions. I’ll do this as soon as some To Go size bottles arrive… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/15 "2007-01-11T00:41:07Z")
> [@examine](#): > > TAK > i once wore TAK, TAH, TAL, TAA. I mean loads of it. dammmn i felt like a million bux. however, i noticed when i spoke, it came out ‘sexy’. which was strange when i was talking to guys. the vibe from it was weird. what’s the betting this is mostly TAH? have you tried 25+ mcg TAH? I believe Jas says it makes her male guinea pigs go all sing-songy and girly. > [@](#): > > If I had to rate the mix. Id say it was an Ashton Kutcher mix. > if you wear said above, you should wear something masculine like none or A314–recently tried it was A314 and it breaks women down faster than Instant Female Magic. you can literally say whatever you want, and not get in trouble, after 30min of conversation you can pretty much start commanding. > > example: “Lets move from the bar to the dancefloor” > > She will follow with that mix. watch. any more progress with this? and what does loads = in mcg terms? ---
**Author:** ![R0N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/r0n/32/1570_2.png) [@R0N](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/R0N)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/16 "2007-01-11T04:48:13Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > I put 2-3 sprays on my shirt right below my neckline so I can inhale it.. What was the dose? What concentration should I buy for experimentation? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95/17 "2007-04-07T22:16:23Z")
TAK > [@tacitus](#): > > I also did notice that although the class had a high woman-man ratio that night the women were unusually comfortable talking to me, as if a natural psychological barrier had been reduced. I spoke with a number of the women who were new to the class as if I had known them for a longer time. Where most pheromones seem to somewhat alter one’s rationality about who one is attracted to, TAK feels like it leaves the rational filters intact, there isn’t an attractive pull so much as there is a reduction in resistance… if that makes any sense. > > It is likely that those persons who are harboring stressful emotion, have anger issues, mental imbalances or strange neurotocisms may produce something else that is an NMDA agonist (the opposite of an antagonist) that makes others edgy or alert, and probably emotionally defensive, in their presence. > > TAK may provide a different, possibly more effective way to counter the Lone Wolf syndrome… if social loners are that way in part because they put others on edge, the strategy of using the -nols may not be complete, as one may feel conflicted in their presence or chatty but not fully at ease. bump. anyone else played with TAK in a social mix? I still feel like this is an underexplored 'mone.