# input needed **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724 "2008-06-09T20:54:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/1 "2008-06-09T20:54:21Z")
I have a situation and wondered if anyone had any suggestions. Working in computers and technology, I am on service calls to customer’s sites, on occasion. This involves a Clean Chrisp and Honest presentation, I would prefer to be the requested Tech at most of the sites. At times I have to work closely with a few “Girls who prefer Girls” AKA Lesbians (one considers herself a “LUG” Lesbian until Graduation, also saying she was Bi) I am not wanting Turn any of them around, have them to be humping my leg or anything more than having Less venom spit in my direction when trying to work with them. Maybe have them offer to let me come over with my video camera, and watch for the evening 😃 , but I digress. Sometimes it is like pulling hens teeth to get simple answers from them. Wearing A314 and Instant Honesty around them seems a good start, but Ammo shot their defenses up. Instant Shine netted bingo results. I am waiting on some [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Instant Openness to see if or how those help. Does anyone have any similar situations or suggestions for best results? Maybe I need to sample some of the Female for male-targeted sprays? ---
**Author:** ![mac](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mac/32/796_2.png) [@mac](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mac)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/2 "2008-06-19T16:24:27Z")
Another interesting post - sadly I can’t offer any real input, but I work with a lot of gay guys that can be very awkward when not on side and really good fun company when they. It’s early days as regards understanding heterosexual reaction and hopefully an understanding of homosexual reaction will also be pursued. Cheers, ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/3 "2008-06-20T04:47:46Z")
I will report next week, I think IO and IH alone will work pretty good, might shot a little IFM on or before lunch ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/4 "2008-06-20T05:01:57Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) will not work on most lesbians. It might work on “ideological” or “college” lesbians, but not women who have a biological sexual orientation towards lesbianism. I believe there’s stuff in the research section on this, and I’ve also seen it on the web researching androstadienone. Lesbians find the molecule estratetraenol (EST) attractive, and this is mainly a female pheromone. Gay men are attracted to mainly androstenols and etiocholanone, and also to androstadienone (a male pheromone that works mostly on women). ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/5 "2008-06-20T05:09:48Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > Instant Female Magic will not work on most lesbians. It might work on “ideological” or “college” lesbians, but not women who have a biological sexual orientation towards lesbianism. I believe there’s stuff in the reearch section on this, and I’ve also seen it on the web researching androstadienone. Lesbians find the molecule estratetraenol (EST) attractive, and this is mainly a female pheromone. IFM won’t attract lesbians of course, since the product is not designed with any attraction purpose in mind, but comfort and pms relief for women. But ifm will probably do the same thing to lesbian as to straight women ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/6 "2008-06-20T06:27:03Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > Instant Female Magic will not work on most lesbians. It might work on “ideological” or “college” lesbians, but not women who have a biological sexual orientation towards lesbianism. I believe there’s stuff in the research section on this, and I’ve also seen it on the web researching androstadienone. Lesbians find the molecule estratetraenol (EST) attractive, and this is mainly a female pheromone. > > Gay men are attracted to mainly androstenols and etiocholanone, and also to androstadienone (a male pheromone that works mostly on women). yeah, that was my theory, I was pondering my approach, I am trying to work with them, to help learn the procedures and have an easier time in training. but I am not thinking it would be worth it to try and tailer my dress or scents specifically for them. If it was on a daily basis, it might be worth it. As I said I will try dropping the Supermasculation A314 from my daily mix to see if that helps, let them stay in their “Alpha male” roles. > [@mockingbird](#): > > Instant Female Magic won’t attract lesbians of course, since the product is not designed with any attraction purpose in mind, but comfort and pms relief for women. But Instant Female Magic will probably do the same thing to lesbian as to straight women that is why I wanted to add some when I was away and gauge the change in mood or reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/7 "2008-06-20T17:50:30Z")
You should try less alpha male stuff and more [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). Most people, gay or straight, find androstenol (Instant Openness or Instant Honesty) attractive or pleasing from what I’ve read. They won’t be sexually attracted to you if they really are lesbian but they will find you more tolerable. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/8 "2008-06-20T18:41:43Z")
Firstly, you’re approaching this the right way. Forget about Ammo or any heavy -none products, you already know that’s the wrong path to go down. I think socials are a great place to start. Instant Honesty is probably a good place, let them be heard, but with more emotion and **meaning** than [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) will allow. While wearing Instant Honesty, I’d let them to all the talking first to get a feel for what the emotional points are for that person, then either touch upon the emotional topics or not, depending on how I feel about the person, topic, etc… If you just want things to go smoothly on their end, A314 might help or might not help. It’s well balanced, so it won’t get rejected outright, but it could still be a dormant factor if allowed to be. Just be aware of its distance/standoffishness. I don’t think any of the consumer products will be that suitable. Instant Openness and Instant Honesty are probably your best bets from the consumers. When we get to putatives, and experimones, things get a lot more interesting. I would suggest trying some TAL or TAH and see how that improves/detracts from things. I imagine TAL vibing well with the more ‘alpha’ girls and TAH vibing well with the more ‘beta’ girls. The TAL might make them more ‘venemous’ if you tickle them wrong, TAH might soften them up. Then again, some might not like the ‘bubbly’ feel from TAH. I don’t have any personal experience with either TAH, TAL, or TAH/TAL with lesbians. A bit more information on what you’d like to see happen would be nice. A little less venom? Are they all harsh and biting? What’s the whole picture? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/9 "2008-07-01T01:03:40Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > A bit more information on what you’d like to see happen would be nice. A little less venom? Are they all harsh and biting? What’s the whole picture? Generally hostile, I am normally a guy who can get along with almost everyone, but I am thinking in general my masculinity is ruffling some feathers. I am looking for a potential [pheromone](https://a314.com/) or chemical that might offset the hostility long enough to allow dialog and make it easier to diagnose, figure out and fix their system problems. (with the computers, I know they likely can’t be fixed) Data4 suggests something with Couplins might help: > [@Lesbians and Copulins on Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lesbians-and-copulins-on-men/14517): > > I was about to put this in my journal, but I decided to just post it here. I work swing shift at my job, and there are 2 rather attractive lesbians that work on 3rd shift. I decided to bring my old A314 bottle that has a 1:10 dilution of Dirty and baby oil with me to see if I could get a reaction out of those two if I put some on before shift change. I did! It was pretty funny. I put two drops on my wrists, and when I saw them enter the doors, I walked towards them, as if headed towards the doo… Yet Dirty appears to be off the market. (someone suggested it will not be refilled or turned into an active product) (and MX250 is more costly than Gas) ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/input-needed/13724/10 "2008-07-01T03:11:40Z")
I don’t really have too much experience with copulins, so I can’t say. If anything, you could try TAH, which should give you a ‘bubbly’ vibe, some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), well..basically, cover up your masculinity – go drag phero-wise, so to speak. Maybe that would result in you not ruffling as many feathers amongst the women normally accustomed to being ‘dominant’ and the other women will just enjoy your presence that much more?