# insane night, need advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 26, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009 "2009-07-26T12:37:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Richm717](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@Richm717](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Richm717)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/1 "2009-07-26T12:37:45Z")
Hey all, Just wanted to give an update on my most recent pheromone adventure, and maybe get a little guidance along the way. Last night went out to the city with a couple friends (both guys). Prior to going out, I sprayed myself 3 times with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (Togo bottle). Went into the first place, noticed an increased friendliness, caught some gazes of some girls at the other end of the bar, stuff like that. I then proceded to go into the bathroom and added two sprays of Instant Honesty, went to next bar. At the next bar, much of the same. Two girls sitting at the table behind us were clearly paying attention to our (me and my friends) conversation, and they joined in. To make a long story short, before finally getting to the to the last bar of the night (after a couple others) I had sprayed an additional 3 sprays of each. Final bar of the night, noticed the girl next to me kept looking over, so I initiated friendly conversation. It’s pretty clear that shes interested, as we continue talking exclusively despite being surrounded by our respective groups. A close camraderie with the rest of the bar also develops, I mean it was INSANE, it felt as though it was a reunion or something. 4 different groups, everyone just hanging out having a great time. It gets to the point where I said something to the effect of, “well yea, its pretty obvious we need to do this again” at which point she grabs my phone and puts her name/number in it. By the time we leave the bar, the ENTIRE bar (the remaining ppl before closing) up and leave together and continue the night at another place. This is where my question comes in…due to alcohol/time elapse/whatever, I think I lost track of how many sprays I put on, and I might have overdone it. I’m led to believe this because by the time we got to the last bar, there was kind of a distance between myself and the girl I had just met. (I think by this time I might have put a few more sprays of each in! I know i probably overdid it but I was amped!) What is the duration of effectiveness (approximately) and any other input is appreciated. Thanks! Rich ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/2 "2009-07-26T12:57:12Z")
so you only used [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty? You cant OD on those. They stop working at some point if you over do it.. but you cant get negative reaction from them. > [@Richm717](#): > > What is the duration of effectiveness (approximately) approximately 1 hour. After that they start to fade. You can even see reactions after 3 hours.. but they are not that strong. For optimal results i suggest to refresh Instant Openness and Instant Honesty every 2 hours (if needed) ---
**Author:** ![CdubFTW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cdubftw/32/2463_2.png) [@CdubFTW](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CdubFTW)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/3 "2009-07-26T17:10:15Z")
yeah, you can overdo it..I remember when I 1st started back using IO/IH, I was at a happy hr and struck up a convo with a group about something. We proceeded to go out on the patio and they were talking to me like we’d known each other for years. Then they invited me back to their apartment(didnt go) as I needed to sober up to drive and I was just happy to be gettin hits at that point… The “OD” came when I was in a club and I sprayed IO like 4-5 times…lost connections, avoidence..ruined my night.. ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/4 "2009-07-26T17:43:25Z")
> [@idle](#): > > so you only used > > approximately 1 hour. > After that they start to fade. > You can even see reactions after 3 hours.. but they are not that strong. > > For optimal results i suggest to refresh Instant Openness and Instant Honesty every 2 hours (if needed) Are you sure the effect disappears that quick? 1-2 hours seems way to fast, at least considering Androtics claims 4-6 hours of “working time”. Still, refreshing every 2-3 hours might be wise, as you said, especially if you’re wearing -none at the same time. Concerning the neroli scent, I can still smell it 12 hours after application of 1-2 sprays in my wrists. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/5 "2009-07-26T17:47:20Z")
Well, some say (and I _think_ there’s been studies) that Androstenol converts to -none. So who knows, perhaps ghosted a bit there? Not sure if Androstenol that converts to -none may still have that negative effect though. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/6 "2009-07-26T18:00:04Z")
> [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > Are you sure the effect disappears that quick? 1-2 hours seems way to fast, at least considering Androtics claims 4-6 hours of “working time”. > > Still, refreshing every 2-3 hours might be wise, as you said, especially if you’re wearing -none at the same time. > > Concerning the neroli scent, I can still smell it 12 hours after application of 1-2 sprays in my wrists. by 1-2 hours i meant that you can expect 100% efficiency… after that period they start to fade(slowly). So even after 6 hours they will still work ! but not at their full strength. Androtics constantly improves their formulas. They use different fixations to control the diffusion. So dont worry their products are long lasting. i suggested to refresh every 2-3 hours only if you need 100% efficiency. (this doesnt apply to A314… refresh a314 every 6 hours… if needed) ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/7 "2009-07-26T18:13:03Z")
> [@idle](#): > > (this doesnt apply to A314… refresh a314 every 6 hours… if needed) Shouldn’t there be a problem with the -none content of A314? Suppose I apply 2 drops at 8 AM. Should I really re-apply at 2 PM? ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/8 "2009-07-26T18:23:16Z")
A314 has little to no -none whatsoever. Primarily a -Rone product ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/9 "2009-07-26T18:25:31Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > A314 has little to no -none whatsoever. Primarily a -Rone product It still has some -none (even if most of it is -rone) and being an oil based product the none might hold on a little more. ---
**Author:** ![Richm717](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@Richm717](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Richm717)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/10 "2009-07-26T19:14:23Z")
thanks for the replies guys…I’ll have to keep better track of exactly how much I’m using next time! ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/11 "2009-07-26T19:24:58Z")
I’ve never been able to OD on nol or TAA products. But, yeah, TAA products have an extremely short half-life and are pretty much dead after an hour or so. Nol lasts a bit longer but needs a refresh every few hours. A314 is 80% androsterone. The remaining 20% is composed of 15 other steering mones. Obviously they are only trace amounts. And, yes, one of them is androstenone. I’m sure you naturally have way more in your armpit than the amount in A314. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/12 "2009-07-26T19:25:36Z")
If it has -none, it must be .2-.5mcg/drop. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/13 "2009-07-26T19:36:10Z")
> [@idle](#): > > (this doesnt apply to A314… refresh a314 every 6 hours… if needed) > [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > Shouldn’t there be a problem with the -none content of A314? > > Suppose I apply 2 drops at 8 AM. Should I really re-apply at 2 PM? I said that because A314 is defusing much slower then the spray versions. A314 is quite powerful for 6 hours.. but if you need its strong performance after those 6 hours(if you have a business meeting or something) then you better reapply. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/14 "2009-07-26T19:43:31Z")
I concur with Idle ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/15 "2009-07-26T20:21:05Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Well, some say (and I _think_ there’s been studies) that Androstenol converts to -none. So who knows, perhaps ghosted a bit there? Not sure if Androstenol that converts to -none may still have that negative effect though. Hearsay whosay WAHT DID YOU SAY??? I have never heard this. And I could be wrong, but it sounds bogus. If you can back that shit up though, lay down the links 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/insane-night-need-advice/31009/16 "2009-07-26T22:44:37Z")
[http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2801](http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2801) > [@Androstenone Converting\\Breaking down into Androsterone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-converting-breaking-down-into-androsterone/28086): > > So I tested ammo out for the first time today and I got some weird self effects! First I felt like I was this big muscular guy walking around (Threatening Alpha) and then I felt like a softer more caring masculine guy (Caring/Protective Alpha). And in that second phase I couldn’t stop looking at women! Like right out staring! For more details check out my journal. So, I read that the affects of the second phase on myself and others sound oddly akin to that of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) open_mouth Does… [Chi Power Syndicate | Pheromones and Chi](http://chipower.com/blog/pheremones-and-chi/) [http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:PYwkkyjoeo0J:pherolibrary.com/articles/what-are-pheromones.htm+androstenol+converts+to+androstenone&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us](http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:PYwkkyjoeo0J:pherolibrary.com/articles/what-are-pheromones.htm+androstenol+converts+to+androstenone&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) “Bacterial action may also have some role to play in pheromone production, but not much is known about this at the time of writing. For example, the pheromone **androstenol** may oxidise (by bacterial action) to **androstenone**. [Androstadienone](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/human-pheromones/androstadienone.htm) can also be converted into **androstenone**. However, bacteria are responsible for causing the bad smells associated with body odor, and they do this by metabolising the chemicals (including the pheromones) in the oily apocrine secretions. A study on bacterial action on [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) can be found [here](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8142319&dopt=Abstract).” > [@evolver](#): > > Hearsay whosay WAHT DID YOU SAY??? > > I have never heard this. And I could be wrong, but it sounds bogus. If you can back that shit up though, lay down the links 🆒