# Instant Female Magic discontinued: what replaces it, and is P83 worth trying? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 12, 2010, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259 "2010-11-12T05:46:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn/32/1561_2.png) [@Reborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reborn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/1 "2010-11-12T05:46:52Z")
I’ve read a few posts about the late [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) (I think it was Mx297). I’m wondering what people substitute for it now. lets hear it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vvtv57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vvtv57](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vvtv57)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/2 "2010-11-12T06:23:04Z")
A1 was the main ingredient in IFM. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/3 "2010-11-12T06:53:55Z")
IFM was an A1 based product which is discontinued by Androtics because of abuse ! It worked quite well on relaxing females especially during the tricky times of the month ! [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) was a different kind of animal and was a quite good mix ( all time favs i vote ) This one gave you a really good status and can best be described as Instant Superstar ! Some reported a female vibe with it.. but i can´t confirm this after beeing through over a dozen bottles … Reborn surely when you´ve been reading about IFM you´ve stumbled over A1 > [@Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668): > > I’ve been thinking about doing this for the longest time but recent events have finally pushed me to do this. In an effort to cut down on the repeated questions, but at the same time encourage more result oriented posts I am making this A-1 guide. Please remember I am NOT a scientist, but merely a tester who is reporting what he’s seen and also info gathered from other fellow members. Table of Contents Section 1: What is A-1? Section 2: What are the effects of A-1? Section 3: When is the bes… What effects are you especially searching for asking for IFM ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![Reborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn/32/1561_2.png) [@Reborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reborn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/4 "2010-11-12T08:07:41Z")
forgetting IFM, right now I’m looking for something that brings women physically closer of their own accord, and/or creates any sort of positive feeling towards me. I was interested in P83, because I read something about a butterfly feeling effect like love. =P struck a cord, because butterflies and love is a big deal. But, I have been having trouble finding research on it. Things with that sort of an effect, if they exist. Right now the things on the top of my list to order and experiment with are: A314, IS, IH or CTTM2, and ammo. I’m a bit interested in P83, TAH, [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/), TAC, and IG, but I haven’t found any research on them yet 😕 Mind helping me a little? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/5 "2010-11-12T10:58:38Z")
A1 has been dubbed the “love” [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) by many. It increases affection and ease. Problem is on a small percentage of men it can cause a down feeling. Generally I think this is dosage related. I suggest since your new to mones you head on down to the supermarket or drug store and pick up a body wash called “Dial Magnetic” It’s a pheromone infused body wash with A1 in it. The dose, because used in the shower, wont be high and there have been quite a few interesting reports on this one. Good stuff Just be sure if you want to be a reporting user and test the advanced stuff for AD that you do so without using DM when you test. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![CHALA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@CHALA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CHALA)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/6 "2010-11-12T12:04:49Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > IFM was an A1 based product which is discontinued by Androtics because of abuse ! > > It worked quite well on relaxing females especially during the tricky times of the month ! I’m interested in these two points. Care to expand on them ? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/7 "2010-11-12T12:56:01Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > I’m interested in these two points. Care to expand on them ? Try doing a search here for A1/Androstadienone or IFM. There have been several threads active in the last few months where the whole thing is discussed in detail. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/8 "2010-11-12T13:01:47Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Try doing a search here for A1/Androstadienone or IFM. There have been several threads active in the last few months where the whole thing is discussed in detail. DITTO Reading Tisha´s post and the link to the A1 guide into my first response would tell you everything ! Simply scroll down this thread and you will find links to several threads discussing the same like this thread … 🙄 Pago ---
**Author:** ![Reborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn/32/1561_2.png) [@Reborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reborn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/9 "2010-11-12T19:44:21Z")
thanks for the Dial Magnet suggestion, and thanks for the help Pagodeiro! ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/10 "2010-11-12T19:56:33Z")
> [@vvtv57](#): > > A1 was the main ingredient in IFM. HAHAHA that’s not really surprising at all actually. Here’s what research from 2008 has shown in three studies they made: _“Men were rated more attractive when assessed by women who had been exposed to androstadienone, an effect that was seen in two out of three studies. The results suggest that androstadienone can influence women’s attraction to men, and also that research into the modulatory effects of androstadienone should be made within ecologically valid contexts.”_ (from Saxton, et al., 2008, p.597). Saxton, T., K., Lyndon, A., Little, A., C. & Roberts, S., C. (2008). Evidence that androstadienone, a putative human chemosignal, modulates women’s attributions of men’s attractiveness. _Hormones and Behavior, 54_, 597–601. So, there is also alot of research backing up the claim that IFM worked like a charm becuz of its main ingredient androstadienone. I LOVE THE SCIENCE!!! \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/11 "2010-11-12T19:57:30Z")
this is the first time I’ve heard of dial soap using this… I had a small tester of IFM, courtesy of a long time user here a year ago, and I can definitely say it will cause a downer in some males. I suspect if you have depressive tendencies or have crisis’ in your life the chance for an Abreaction will be greater.. but this is my unresearched, uneducated opinion. make sure to read up on A1 and IFM as others have suggested, and let me know about how that dial soap makes you feel. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-discontinued-what-replaces-it-and-is-p83-worth-trying/43259/12 "2010-11-12T20:24:38Z")
> [@Reborn](#): > > forgetting IFM, right now I’m looking for something that brings women physically closer of their own accord, and/or creates any sort of positive feeling towards me. > > I was interested in P83, because I read something about a butterfly feeling effect like love. =P struck a cord, because butterflies and love is a big deal. But, I have been having trouble finding research on it. > > Things with that sort of an effect, if they exist. > > Right now the things on the top of my list to order and experiment with are: A314, IS, IH or CTTM2, and ammo. I’m a bit interested in P83, TAH, P93, TAC, and IG, but I haven’t found any research on them yet 😕 Mind helping me a little? Do keyword searches with those items in the title under the advanced search and you will find tons of posts. But to shed a bit of light on the A1 and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) which I have done extensive testing on both, just check out my journal. These are both great products. The A1 you have no idea how comfortable you can make a woman feel around you with this on. I work with a lot of women and gay guys and I tell you when I wear this at work the drama is decreased a lot. I have also used it when around my girl and the reports I get back from her, she does not know what I’m wearing, is that she just feels “nice.” I’ve sprayed it on her wrists before she heads off to class, or if she’s having a tough day at work. P83 is a tricky but fun product. It can help bring about that physical contact you are wanting. Its considered a disinhibitor by many here. People tend to do things around you when yo wear it, or say things they wouldn’t otherwise. My girl and I have been through so much drama at work over our relationship we try not to show any PDA and when I added this to the mix, she walked up to me one day at work, did this little shimmy thing with her hips while running her hands down my chest. Later that same day as I walked by her she ran her hand across my chest and sort of tweaked my nipple. This is something she NEVER does at work. Anyway, as they say YMMV. But the fun thing is to experiment and see what these amazing products do for you.