# Instant Gentleman for an 18-year-old: what vibe it gives, and pairing with Ammo **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 27, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298 "2014-06-27T23:44:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/1 "2014-06-27T23:44:10Z")
Just got a free 30ml bottle of IG via 2500 points and the $25 GC. Anyone have any general comments about its usage? I’m excited but also confused as to what exactly the mone does. Gives off a warm, “dependable” vibe? Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/2 "2014-06-28T01:18:58Z")
IG is another status (Androsterone) product but more tuned to a younger person. Its kind of a smart/dashing/sociable status - Sort of the young guy going places vibe, compared to A314’s chairman of the board and more sociable/less likely to come-off as unapproachable/dad-like or funky-uncle to a younger woman compared to A314. Its also very usable with much of what you have - Ammo/IG/IS is a good all-rounder and IH/IG is a good social/status all-rounder. The last two years, [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/IG/P75 (sometimes with a bit more None because of my age) has been a fantastic daytime/lighter social/sexy mix that does very well around younger women and adding P75 for extra attraction qualities isn’t nearly as difficult with IG compared to A314. IG is also an excellent primary around younger Asian women (up to mid/late 20s), esp those from a more traditional Han Chinese/Japanese background, who tend to demonstrate the classic Asian affinity/attraction for Androsterone most obviously. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/3 "2014-06-28T02:08:49Z")
So, perfect base or standalone attraction mone for an 18 year-old? [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) Summer 15mcg & IG 45mcg to wrists, smeared to neck Ishine 60mcg Sound good for everyday wear? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/4 "2014-06-28T02:19:14Z")
I’d be wearing more Ammo or some other Androstenone product due to my age of course but otherwise that’s just the proportions I found good. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/5 "2014-06-28T02:23:42Z")
Might do another 7.5mcg Ammo under the shirt. Is there any -none in IG? Sounds like a -rone dominated mone. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/6 "2014-06-28T02:32:19Z")
No. No None at all. ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/7 "2014-06-28T17:08:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Summer Ammo/IG/P75 (sometimes with a bit more None because of my age) has been a fantastic daytime/lighter social/sexy mix that does very well around younger women and adding P75 for extra attraction qualities isn’t nearly as difficult with IG compared to A314. How many sprays and mcgs of ammo, IG and p75? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/8 "2014-06-28T21:25:20Z")
Generally its 2-3 sprays IG, 2-3 sprays [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and 5-7.5mcg P75, A younger guy would probably only need 2.5mcg though. Secondaries - 1 spray 5mcg TUTH, or one drop A7 and sometimes 20-30mcg P83 but I’m not convinced that’s needed as the P130 in Summer Ammo does help the playfulness nicely. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andromun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/andromun/32/365_2.png) [@andromun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andromun)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/9 "2014-06-30T21:05:14Z")
IMO, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is very underrated and a solid phero for any 17yr - 21yr old. IG + IS is a hot combo and if you like Asian chicks then IG is for you since you’re only 18. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/10 "2014-06-30T21:18:47Z")
> [@andromun](#): > > IMO, Instant Gentleman is very underrated and a solid phero for any 17yr - 21yr old. IG + IS is a hot combo and if you like Asian chicks then IG is for you since you’re only 18. Yeah, going to try Ishine + Ammo + IG once I get it. Not too into Asian chicks. Mostly white/Latina. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/11 "2014-06-30T22:24:18Z")
IG can actually project youth in men over 30. It will take some edge off A314 without harm. 1 drop of 314 and 1 spray IG. But, if you hit 4 sprays, it starts to act like A314. It can intimidate via guilt/shame/inferiority. Ex: Guy watching sports gets text from wife. Intense provider vibe of IG OD induces guilt/shame. Guys want to leave. I have seriously seen grown big dudes cower around IG OD. 2 sprays of 2X. If that IG dose is ever shown to be 40 mcg alpha rone. Well, shut my mouth. Women aren’t really put off. Suggest against adding harsh molecules to it. It wrecks the charm and charisma. Good bait for daddies girls, aspiring golddiggers, baby mommas. meal-ticket seekers, sugar-daddy-deficient MILFs/college girls, pregnant women, formerly pregnant women (like an hour ago), women who want kids, have kids or have seen pictures of kids. Women who fantasize over bridal magazines. Gets mad respect/jealousy from family men. But, you could be seen as a bit henpecked/easy mark without a drop of 314. With the 314 B, could be great fallout material. IG is good for the ones with lower self esteem. The girlie trial lawyers and stockbrokers will just chew thru 314, so IG is really not needed there. Especially if they have a secret BDSM room. Which, they prolly do. Thinking… They should reformulate an IG/314B MX. Make it 30 mL. Not as soft as IG nor as hard as 314. Something cheap in 30 mL. I bet that would rock fallout, as fans of the 314 spray will attest. Good for youngsters and shy types. James Bond in training/college. Young lieutenant type. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/12 "2014-06-30T22:53:36Z")
monesmadedoit, are you suggesting I OD on IG? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/13 "2014-06-30T23:10:05Z")
No, but if you want to understand what it does, OD will tell you. That’s how you test. Everybody’s OD’d on 314 a time or two. Many pheros are not a linear response. You know, [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) supposedly had 125 nanograms of -enone. Personally, I think -enone should be tailored to the woman’s genetics/calendar. From .125 to 12.5 mcg. That comes from testing. Try 20 mcg -enone. You’ll find out. I’ll skip the heavy theory of gene polymorphisms in Europeans, South Pacific peoples and Northeast Asia. Or, you can take my read-way-too-much word for it. Seriously, a combo of 314B and IG might be the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/14 "2014-07-01T00:01:53Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Seriously, a combo of 314B and IG might be the ticket. Some say wearing both together is a waste. But you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/15 "2014-07-01T00:35:58Z")
Some say lots of things. IG + 314 is what SmartMones says. They invented it, so I think they’ll know. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/16 "2014-07-01T09:31:44Z")
> [@YungC](#): > > Some say wearing both together is a waste. But you disagree? Frankly, most of the guys you see using A314/IG in mixes are doing bucket mixes with no real thought to the end result - in most cases a substantial part of their mix will be directly conflicting the rest of it or the IG serves only to reduce the impact of an over-large dose of A314 Much of the time, they would do better by using less A314 instead. Its a waste for many guys who are looking for mixes that make use of the status qualities of A314 (and could steer it in other ways) because IG does modify it considerably but in a younger guy, its a bit different - As MMD says, IG/A314 will help make the maturity vibe of A314 more in line with their actual age/outlook, so I don’t see a problem there - and yes, a more youthful status product to fill the gap between IG and A314 would be a good idea! People do tend to get too hung-up on status, overt sexuality and masculinity and overlook the smart/charming/dashing personas - and a hell of a lot of women (esp younger) do go head over heels for that. OD is also all part of the learning process with pheros and really does help you find your range/limits for any given situation - so long as its not somewhere where you are liable to get lamped, don’t worry! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vanadium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@vanadium](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vanadium)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/17 "2014-07-01T15:26:02Z")
Like mobocaster, I’m in my early 50s. I’ve used IG (or IS) + A314B to great effect. 1-2 sprays IS(2x) and/or IG has a striking effect for me. I’ve definitely experienced the “youthful effect” as an older user Adding 1 spray of A314B (I was initially cautious because I have reason to believe I’ve always naturally had high status pheros, and didn’t want to OD) took it to another level. This month I’ll be experimenting with 2 sprays of A314B +IS/IG, which is not a particularly high dose for a man of my age. I’m slow and patient: at least half a dozen tests at each level, starting each phero addition low, with regular reversions to prior doses or phero-free to reconfirm my baseline. However I _know_ I wouldn’t have been this systematic when I was younger. I was personally impatient and sometimes reckless. But you can do a LOT of experiments in a few months One mistake I can easily see myself having made: developing a good sense of the effects at a certain level, then “splashing on some extra” before a hot date or big social event. I don’t know about now, but in my day, young men were famous for overdoing their cologne before such events (as often seen in teen/college comedies of the 80s). Why is that a mistake? Because I wouldn’t have necessarily mastered the behavior that best accompany that higher dose, and also individual (target’s) response varies. It would be a shame to OD Miss Right (or Miss Right Now) even if the effect on others was still positive. Keep your eyes on the prize! Assuming you are anything like I was, I’d risk some deliberate ODs now in noncritical situations to set a hard limit – and HONOR that limit (probably harder than it sounds). I’d set my maximum working dose somewhat below that – not just barely below, but with some headroom – if you start seeing OD at 5x, you working dose should be 3x, not 4x, and you should be cautious about finding excuses to boost that dose “just this time” – a weakness I know I would have had at your age. I’ve rarely encountered situations where “one more” would’ve truly done the trick, even if you’re looking for a fast hookup. It only seems that way. Lay the groundwork. Get to know each girl and choose wisely. Chasing “the best available at the moment” then dumping her when someone ‘better’ (inevitably) comes along can damage your social reputation with precisely those smart, sizzling-hot, sensible, good-hearted girls you really want, who can afford to choose prudently – and do. Ultimately, you want a “keeper” who will enrich your life in ALL ways. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/18 "2014-07-01T15:33:38Z")
Thanks for the responses, guys. ---
**Author:** ![YungC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/yungc/32/513_2.png) [@YungC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/YungC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/19 "2014-07-08T07:29:52Z")
mobocaster, I read on an older thread you stated IG gives off an LTR vibe, which could turn younger girls looking for fun (you know the type) off. Do you still stand by this? (I’m currently using it for its more-approachable status, dashing “Prince Charming” effects.) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298/20 "2014-07-08T08:28:31Z")
IG is like wearing a wedding band. Women get turned on by “taken” guys. Ask Watkins. Some of that with a pretend wedding ring…strippers will hit on you. Get yourself a “friend” wingwoman. Women will get jealous, if she’s hot. OD of IG makes guys jealous, ashamed and insecure…if they are family guys. Now, to me, A314 always projects a single guy…e.g. James Bond. Adding IG loses some of the lone wolf character, which can affect status for sure. You’ll lose some with IG/314. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-gentleman-for-an-18-year-old-what-vibe-it-gives-and-pairing-with-ammo/62298.md?page=2)