# Instant Honesty at speed dating with A314 and Ammo 2x: no deep talk, dosing advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 29, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902 "2013-08-29T16:15:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WesleyLC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e5b9ba/32.png) [@WesleyLC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyLC)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/1 "2013-08-29T16:15:10Z")
Hello everyone, The other day I went speed dating. The ages were 26-39 and mostly Caucasian women. I’m African American Male 29 yo. I wore 2 drops of A314, 2 sprays of AMMO 2x, 4 sprays of IS, and 3 sprays of IH. The dates were 5 minutes each and, only the men had to move so my sent should have been around the whole room. All together I talked with 13 women. Now i know 5 minutes isn’t a lot of time to get deep with someone but, I thought the IH would have help steer deep convo. But the convo stayed PG. I been becoming more frustrated with IH and IO because I’ve used them alone and got nothing. I did the best I could to give out the “you can tell me anything vibe.” But still nothing. I notice a lot of you guys that been around a while always wear IH and IO 4x. The store doesn’t sell that strength anymore so what should I do? BTW I didn’t get one match that night…Maybe they didn’t dig black men. LOL Oh well it’s their loss. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/2 "2013-08-30T06:40:09Z")
Not an expert, but to me it seems the 2 drops of A314 plus the two sprays of double [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) might have been too much for a young guy like you. What’s your sweet spot? 3 sprays of IH won’t buffer that amount of rone + none I think. Comparison: 1 drop of A314 already can be a bit intimidating to the people around me (and I’m physically not intimidating at all). Also, 2 sprays of **regular ammo** is more than enough for me. Keep in mind I’m a bit younger than you are. Why did you go for the double version? Also, what were your application points for the IH? I always spray socials on the forearms so I can steer the diffusion with gestures and stuff. Works fine for me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/3 "2013-08-30T07:27:08Z")
[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) needs a little time to work. A deep conversation can’t really occur in 5 minutes. People usually build up to the deep stuff with opening small talk that lasts a longer than the time limit you had. If I had only 5 minutes, I’d go with a high dose of alpha androstenol (or Instant Openness), a spray or 2 of Instant Shine, and a spray of some -none based product. Also, you have to factor in other variables, such as: 1. Can you seem congruent with your pheromone signature? If you weigh 120 pounds dripping wet and you slather on 150 mcg of Androstenone, the women won’t believe its coming from you. They’ll keep looking around for somebody that better matches the signature. 2. The cover scent that you use makes a difference. You should smell good. If you have a funny scent to you, the smell input may turn them off and trump out the pheromone input. 3. The content of your conversations and your body language will account for more of your success/failure in quick interactions. Most of the pheromones you chose need time to work optimally. Also, you were moving around the room so much, some of those guys coming in after you may have benefited from your phero cloud. 4. Remember the 80/20 Rule. Even with a master-level mix, you can only expect the pheromones to do 20% of the work. The other 80% is your game. ---
**Author:** ![WesleyLC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e5b9ba/32.png) [@WesleyLC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyLC)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/4 "2013-08-30T07:47:15Z")
> [@Himeros](#): > > What’s your sweet spot? > > Comparison: 1 drop of A314 already can be a bit intimidating to the people around me (and I’m physically not intimidating at all). Also, 2 sprays of **regular ammo** is more than enough for me. Keep in mind I’m a bit younger than you are. Why did you go for the double version? > > Also, what were your application points for the IH? I always spray socials on the forearms so I can steer the diffusion with gestures and stuff. Works fine for me 🙂 Hey Himeros thanks for stopping by. My sweet spot with A314 is 2 drops. I’m a pretty buff dude so, anymore than would send people away fast.😮 I got 2x AMMO by mistake so I figured I might as well use it. Haven’t had time to sweet spot it yet. I put IH on the crooks of my elbows and on the back of my right hand. I have tried to sweet spot test it but I got up to 9 sprays and still nothing but funk. 😮 I starting to think that IH regular version just doesn’t work for me. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/5 "2013-08-30T09:50:05Z")
A314 and heavy Ammo on a 29yr old could be a rather anti conversational mix IMO. Its the sort of thing I’d wear to a club where physical presence and body language does the talking. I also think you may be going too high on the Heavy Ammo and maybe need to back-off a bit, or save it for a second date. A314 (and maybe less of it) IH and IS (again, maybe just two sprays) would be my suggestion for this and get at least part of your IH app up around your throat - elbow crooks are reasonable but IME back of hands are not. I would feel round for the warmest parts of the wrists/forearms and use them instead - Outside of forearms is where I usually end-up. ---
**Author:** ![WesleyLC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e5b9ba/32.png) [@WesleyLC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyLC)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/6 "2013-08-30T10:56:53Z")
Mobo you always come through you ya boi.🙂 I’m going to dial down the A314 to 1 drop next week. Here’s my plan for next week. I will post everything in my journal. Monday : 1 drop of A314 and 10mcg of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) Tuesday : 1 drop of A314 Wednesday: 2 drops of A314 and 15 mcg of P74 Thursday: 2 drops of A314 Friday: 1 drop of A314 and 20 mcg P74 ---
**Author:** ![ryanmercer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryanmercer/32/1569_2.png) [@ryanmercer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ryanmercer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/7 "2013-08-31T06:15:07Z")
I’d also like to toss in one thing no one has mentioned. Remember [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) aren’t magical, there has to be some authentic level of interest/attraction. Pheromones aren’t going to make someone necessarily go for someone that isn’t their ‘type’ or that is saying stuff they have no interest in. For example, take Mila Kunis and clone her body twice. In one leave her personality, in the other put Paris Hilton’s personality. I’m going to be very interest in the original because she used to play World of Warcraft and other games I used to and we’d have some common interest. If she had Paris Hilton’s personality and was like “omg coke and dogs that fit in my purse !!!” my eyes would glaze over and I’d imagine a meteor plummeting toward earth to kill me. Not that I’m saying you had bad conversational skills, as said before mixing A314 with heavy Ammo at our age is like spraying yourself with angry king-kong-smash-up-buildings-if-you-talk-to-me spray heh. ---
**Author:** ![WesleyLC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e5b9ba/32.png) [@WesleyLC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WesleyLC)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-at-speed-dating-with-a314-and-ammo-2x-no-deep-talk-dosing-advice/59902/8 "2013-08-31T17:31:30Z")
Good News, they were behind on the scorecards and 6 of the women want to go out on a date with me. I also tested IO and IH with you guys advice and, now I can see it working a little. I still have to put on quite a bit but, I can see it working.