# Instant Honesty (IH) vs Instant Openness: the serious talker and the fun talker **URL:** \ **Category:** Consumer Products\ **Created:** [March 31, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186 "2006-03-31T22:28:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/1 "2006-03-31T22:28:41Z")
**You may view and post in the original thread here:** [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih/256](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih/256) well something im noticing about the product, and i guess i should have listened to begin with… it is more of a 1 on 1 get to know the other person product. i do notice a break in personal space but for some strange reason, conversations seem to be in depth, and serious, even tho they arent. in other words, you may be talking about something very minimal, but you and the other person have on the “deep convo concentration” look. anyways, this product should be used on dates, maybe a second because the first should be fun and less intense. guess i learned my lesson. but it was a good experiment.😃 I would use this product around bubbly people, to get them serious. perhaps you are on a date with a much younger girl (like a freshman), this product ‘could’ make them take things a little more serious, thus making the diner conversation much more in depth. i have to play with this product a little more. not sure why but i feel it could be used more often than ‘just dates’ i just have to figure out when, how and with what mix. i have yet to test a314, it was supposed to have come yesterday, but i guess i should be receiving it today. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/2 "2006-04-01T01:05:51Z")
Geez! ☹ So IH is the serious conversationER and IO is the fun conversationER!!? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Moses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@Moses](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Moses)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 1:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/3 "2006-04-01T01:30:02Z")
> [@M&M](#): > > Geez! ☹ > > So IH is the serious conversationER and IO is the fun conversationER!!? 😮 At least we know what each product is intended to do. I’m sure there is some kind of use for IH at some point in a relationship, when you need to have a serious talk.😉 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/4 "2006-04-01T05:14:29Z")
> [@Moses](#): > > At least we know what each product is intended to do. I’m sure there is some kind of use for IH at some point in a relationship, when you need to have a seriuos talk.😉 Does that mean I’m right? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/5 "2006-04-01T18:05:43Z")
> [@](#): > > You can think of Openness as quantity of communication, where Honesty increases the _quality_/depth From what I understand IH increases the seriousness and deepness of the conversation. It allows hidden private things of the other person to come out much more easily..as if they had a few beers or something. I believe it can be a usefull tool in building up comfort levels and a deep history with new relationships. It would also be good to use around someone who seems to have something they are holding back. > [@](#): > > While alpha-nol isn’t a “tough” one, like androstenone, androsterone or androstadienone, little tweaks to “steer” it are still possible and can be VERY useful. > > For example, it has a reputation as a communication pheromone, yet bare androstenol doesn’t create the quality of communication some people might expect. While #1 complaint about bare androstenol is probably “neurotic chatter” about “nothing”, I also see that it perhaps makes people too spacey and giggly for some needs. > > Instant Openness, I feel, lives more up to to the communication reputation of anol, and less to the giggly side of the things (although it still has great “feel good” element to it) Quote: Originally Posted by **SwingerMD** _I’ve always had a nack for starting up conversations with complete strangers. The -nol really amplifys this and I’m really able to control the situation. Then again, ODs tend to get a little outta hand._ [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) still works like that (it’s great for people who start up convos), but communication is more meaningful, that’s all. A little less craziness, and more exchange. **Also check out [this thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-in-come-talk-to-me/213) that covers more information on IO, CTTM2, spaceland, and IH.** ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/6 "2006-04-01T20:45:22Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > From what I understand IH increases the seriousness and deepness of the conversation. It allows hidden private things of the other person to come out much more easily..as if they had a few beers or something. When you’re talking about [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), it’s more like they had a shot of truth serum (sodium pentathol) The “few beer”, or rather, champagne like effect, is more the more result of heavy alpha-nol (Instant Openness, etc.). > [@](#): > > I believe it can be a usefull tool in building up comfort levels and a deep history with new relationships. It would also be good to use around someone who seems to have something they are holding back. Might be nice for a second or third date, cheating spouse, siblings, interrogating roomates, _special op_s – all those things and more. 🙂 It’s kind of eery how it works. I’m still surprised by it to this day. It’s also fascinating that several pheromonal molecules from nature produce these kids of results. I’ve got to wonder who, in history, has wieled this power naturally. I actually use Instant Honesty every time I buy something during a consultative sales process. Within minutes of exposure the sales person is on MY side, telling me all kinds of things they shouldn’t. I don’t play poker, but I’d LOVE to see what would happen in that context. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/7 "2006-04-01T20:50:15Z")
> [@M&M](#): > > Geez! ☹ > > So IH is the serious conversationER and IO is the fun conversationER!!? 😮 Basically. IO = quantity of conversion/chatter box, lightness, good feelings IH = depth, close feelings, intense rapport, secrets, bonding, and extreme intimacy in the right context Not everyone will start commenting about the nature of the universe or reality right off the bat with IH, but they’ll tell you their credit problems and other “secrets” they’d probably reserve for their spouse, best friend or lawyer. Even spouses are learning new things about their partners with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). There’s a thread here from one man who found out something very disturbing about his wife this way. I’ll try to find a link. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/8 "2006-04-01T20:53:17Z")
Ok, here we go… Read page 4 onward of this thread: At least with honesty, they can now work through it. You can’t fix anything if you’re living a lie. That’s like trying to fix a puff of air – i.e., you can’t. So that’s the bright side – things start to get better the moment you’re honest. ---
**Author:** ![burgerama1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@burgerama1960](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/burgerama1960)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/9 "2006-04-01T21:40:51Z")
Well Mh, I have been using the combo for a few weeks now. And everything is getting worked out. I can honestly say that your work here has saved me and my wifes relationship. I could not express enough gratitude! This stuff really does work as it is intended to. Now I have to save some money to increase my androtics product supply. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/10 "2006-04-01T22:02:36Z")
thats great news burgerama1960…what products/mixes have you been using? ---
**Author:** ![burgerama1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@burgerama1960](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/burgerama1960)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/11 "2006-04-01T23:49:39Z")
I have always been a fan of realm so I enhanced it with beta-nol and A1. I use that as a cover scent. I wear a couple drops of A314 and 1-2 sprays of instant shine. it not only makes me feel good but gets good results from others. I went into a job interview last week wearing said mix and was treated like royalty during the interview. They asked me what was the least amount I would work for, I told them, they just laughed and said I would get 2-3 times that. One was a guy the other a woman. I and the mones affected both equally, so I think I have found a winning combo for myself. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 6:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/12 "2006-04-02T06:07:14Z")
very Impressive…I bet you could switch out beta-nol with IH and a1 with IFM and get similar or better results.. Unless you want to keep your mix as is, which may be easier to do? I think A314 commands respect, status, trust, and leadership…great for business…and ofcourse everyday life. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/13 "2006-04-02T18:32:43Z")
Where does CTTM2 come into the picture? By the way, is CTTM2 also 15 mcg/spray? Also, does it have the same fixatives as IO and IH. So can we expect it to work as a 1 IO: 1 IH mix? ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/14 "2006-04-02T18:37:58Z")
I want to try both IO and IH but don’t want to spend as much. I was looking at CTTM2. I remember Mr. Harris mentioned somewhere regarding mixes 3 to 8 as well. I didn’t hear anything about them and cannot see them in the store. I have SOE which has alpha-nol. Based on your experience do you guys think I should just get IH? Very confused… ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/15 "2006-04-02T19:57:04Z")
if you want something similar to SOE, but works much better…get IO. both SOE and IO are primarily Anol, but IO has several tweaks to it including a little Bnol to make it work better. IH is primarily bnol with tweaks. Check this thread out on the differences: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih/256](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih/256) CTTM2 is primarily Anol, but it has a lot more bnol added to it than IO. its probably somewhere along the lines of 70%anol to 30%bnol. I’d probably start out with IO and then go from there. IH and CTTm2 are more serious vibes than IO and SOE. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/16 "2006-04-02T20:14:13Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > thats great news burgerama1960…what products/mixes have you been using? How many of the Androtic products have you tested, burgerama? And If you had to stock up, what would make sure was in your stock? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/17 "2006-04-02T20:24:51Z")
Thanks cloud9. Can I still choose 1X or 2X option for IO? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/18 "2006-04-02T21:00:30Z")
yeah, I’d go with 1x IO if you use A314 regularly. You can control your ratios to A314 better with the 1x version than the 2x..Mharris said that he’s uping the dosage for the original version, but it want be double what it is now. Too much Anol could possible reduce the Leadership effects of A314, which is why I say better safe than sorry to got with the 1x IO. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/19 "2006-04-02T23:23:13Z")
Cloud9, any idea how much the upped dosage will be? Is the version currently available the one with the upped dosage? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186/20 "2006-04-03T00:28:59Z")
current version is not upped dosage. But I still like the 1x because its more controllable when used in mixes. It’ll probably be 17.5mcg/spray rather than the current 15mcg. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-ih-vs-instant-openness-the-serious-talker-and-the-fun-talker/23186.md?page=2)