# Instant Honesty x4 - it holds you under until you drown **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 29, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505 "2009-01-29T16:15:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/21 "2009-02-04T13:29:04Z")
> [@MuskCloud](#): > > That’s the one thing that keeps me interested in the conversation, no matter how long it gets. No wonder they like talking so much and why they love a guy that can actually _talk to them_. > > Heh. Every guy who reads this now is going to scramble for the socials, LOL! 😃 > > Musk Sshh, that is supposed to be our secret, let them all believe that 20 sprays of TUTH is the answer 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/22 "2009-02-04T15:45:19Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > Sshh, that is supposed to be our secret, let them all believe that 20 sprays of TUTH is the answer 😃 Diamond!! Think about your karma points here 🙄…you’re supposed to share your knowledge not be selfish and keep it to yourself 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/23 "2009-02-04T16:47:22Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Diamond!! Think about your karma points here 🙄…you’re supposed to share your knowledge not be selfish and keep it to yourself 😉 Hey Diamond, you go sniffing after my Scottish babe and now you’re after my karma? The knowledge of how to use the socials alone to land this fish is mine. _shakes fist_ 😃 Xiphoid, you have my permission to use some very sharp surgical instruments on the guy. Do your worst. 😃 Musk ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/24 "2009-02-04T16:58:17Z")
> [@MuskCloud](#): > > Xiphoid, you have my permission to use some very sharp surgical instruments on the guy. Do your worst. 😃 > > Musk Oh, I wouldn’t use sharp surgical instruments on Diamond… He’s special & I have far more effective & interesting ways of punishing him 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tansri_dato_awesome/32/320_2.png) [@TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TanSri_Dato_aweSOME)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/25 "2009-02-04T18:11:38Z")
> [@](#): > > great post. > > no one believes it until they try it. > > i only have 2X honesty and i get to the point where im saying how do you shut this stuff OFF ??? Wicked. If i would only stay in the US and the Intl courier wouldnt cost me so much i’d punch the IHx4 into the cart now and had them sent tomorrow. How i wish i had Ordered IH instead of IO on my first round.. ☹ .. heck there is always tomorrow. and i like ur post Musk. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/26 "2009-02-04T19:47:57Z")
> [@TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](#): > > Wicked. If i would only stay in the US and the Intl courier wouldnt cost me so much i’d punch the IHx4 into the cart now and had them sent tomorrow. > > How i wish i had Ordered IH instead of IO on my first round.. ☹ .. heck there is always tomorrow. and i like ur post Musk. 🙂 Don’t give up on IO just yet, bud. I haven’t tried Openness except in its hopped-up-to-the-eyeballs mutant cousin Spaceland formulation, which is IO dialled up to extreme levels complete with the weird scent. IO, or at least Spaceland, is effective at getting people to open up in situations where they are normally dour and uncommunicative. I personally believe it’s the phero for the social coward, the wallflower at the party who wants a hand in cracking his armour plating. It **will** get people talking. All you need then is a small prod in the back and go with the flow. It’s a pity Androtics will only go to x2 concentration with IO. If they went to x4, I’d consider getting it. It’s a giggle. With Honesty, you have to do the work to open them, but be prepared to be dumped in at the deep end. Musk ---
**Author:** ![TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tansri_dato_awesome/32/320_2.png) [@TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TanSri_Dato_aweSOME)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/27 "2009-02-04T20:06:16Z")
I hope i wouldnt give it up that fast yet but my bottle of 30ml of IO is at at 10-15% its bottle content and i’m using it in many couple of different situation and it is the same. Seriously i have done some extensive testing on that one. Maybe its just me. I guess IOx4 = Spaceland already doesnt it ? hahaha.. Yeah IH u need to jump start and it will flow by itself. I know how to jumpstart in any situation. I just need the cash now for IHx4 it is 🙂 :big smile: ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/28 "2009-02-04T20:52:31Z")
I’m fully aware that women communicate differently and think differently than men… and I understand pretty well the how and why of it. But you don’t need to sit there and die of boredom while she yammers, if that’s the sort of female you have discovered. (Not all of them are like that, yanno.) In the end, I don’t care how good looking she is, how sexual she is, how horny she is, or how much she wants to breed (or at least practice breeding) with me, if I can’t have two things: 1. A woman who can hold an intelligent, interesting conversation with me, and 2. A woman who doesn’t irritate me, piss me off or frustrate me constantly. I just told a woman yesterday that she couldn’t date or have sex with me because she frustrates me so much. And funny thing… the more I tell her no, the more interested she is in “being friends”, which in her personal vocabulary means “Oh, I can’t walk all over and manipulate you, let’s get a little closer, maybe I should try to snag you.” Too bad she blew it. But sitting there saying uh-huh for four hours really isn’t being honest with her. It’s a form of butt kissing designed to get you into her pants. lol Of course… given that delicious Scotch lilt… I can say that it’s still acceptable. As for “Does this \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ make my butt look big?” the correct answer is: A. If butt = big then: “No, your butt looks that way all by itself.” B. If butt = just right: “That question is a trap and I refuse to participate in your attempts to entrap me and subsequently manipulate me through guilt, shame or fear. Next question.” C. If butt = too small: “Woman, you need to see a psychiatrist and grow an ass before you start asking me that kind of stupid sh\*t.” Of course, these answers will invariably put you in the “asshole” category, but guess what? Once that question has been uttered, it’s going to happen regardless, so you might as well be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/29 "2009-02-04T20:53:57Z")
Just a friendly FYI, those of you who aren’t accustomed to IH4x may be ‘dazed’ by its strength. For me, this is exhibited by my behavior closing down and me getting lost in my head. Be aware that this is really strong stuff and for practical purposes, it might be better to go with a IH regular or IH2x. I try to keep to half sprays of IH4x now, unless it’s really unbalanced somehow. But it really does work wonders, and for the girls that like IH, man..they are seriously ‘hooked’. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/30 "2009-02-04T22:03:30Z")
> [@MuskCloud](#): > > Hey Diamond, you go sniffing after my Scottish babe and now you’re after my karma? The knowledge of how to use the socials alone to land this fish is mine. _shakes fist_ 😃 > > Xiphoid, you have my permission to use some very sharp surgical instruments on the guy. Do your worst. 😃 > > Musk Musk, believe me I’ve got more than enough on my hands with two of them at the moment to even think about chasing your wee lassie 😉 @Xiphoid, I know I’m special, my mum said so! So what cruel torture are you considering?😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/31 "2009-02-04T22:06:13Z")
Another one bites the dust. I love it and I love The Honesty! It’s my favorite Ad product. I rarely leave it out of my mixes. I’ve used close to 400mcg [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). 😮 Trust me, I know what it’s like to be sucked down into the vortex. Phya, me and some others discussed it with Rev Evolver when he was having a bit of trouble with Honesty. There’s some interesting insight in that thread. I’ll link it if you like. > [@diamond](#): > > _ **There is however, one question that eludes scientific knowledge. Why do women need so many shoes?** _ Aaaah, sweet mystery of life… _No one knows_. 🆒 > [@](#): > > _ **While we’re at it, do they really expect an honest answer when they ask ‘does my bum look big in this’?** _ FYI, that’s a question I’ve never asked any man. It’s so unfair to put him in the position of trying to give you the _right_ answer. If she has to ask that question, my bet is she shouldn’t be wearing it…_or_…maybe she should… if having it look big is her objective. I’m well aware of exactly what my own butt looks like, thank you. Instead of asking him, I’ll just go over and sit it in his lap. Ya know, I’ve never gotten a wrong answer _to that._ > [@MuskCloud](#): > > First question, _ **God knows** _. Praying is good. > [@](#): > > Second, _ **I’m not going there** _. It’s a war zone no matter what the answer is. LOL! That’s what _you_ think…at some time or another..yes..you..are..going..there… whether you want to or not. 🙄 Better bring your flak jacket. > [@](#): > > That’s the one thing that keeps me interested in the conversation, no matter how long it gets. No wonder they like talking so much and why _ **they love a guy that can actually talk to them** _. Men who know how to talk to women and more importantly…_listen to them_ are a rare commodity. You’re absolutely right, we _can_ tell when you’re drifting off and we don’t like it. Listening to me and what’s more… _understanding me_… is the thing about a man that’ll hold _my_ attention. That doesn’t mean it’s acceptable for me to bore him to tears. I prefer a more even exchange where the man gets to express himself as well. If _I_ do all the talking how am I going to get to know who _he_ really is? Hmm? > [@](#): > > Heh. Every guy who reads this now is going to scramble for the socials, LOL! 😃 Bingo! I wish I had a nickle for everytime I’ve said this on the forum…I could retire in an undisclosed Caribbean location. 😉 🆒 It’s like a baseball game. It’s hard to get to home plate if you haven’t rounded all the bases first. Any guy who’s trying to hook up would be smarter to ease his way in with the socials. It can give him more of what he’s looking for. Once he’s on the right track, _that’s_ the time to TUTH. No woman wants to be bulldosed by an insincere fast talker, with an obvious agenda, no matter how goodlooking. My attention turns to the man who seeks to connect with me emotionally first. Yes, it’s work but ya gotta be willing to go there first if you wanna get to the good stuff. If you’ve chosen the right woman, it’ll be worth the wait. Trust me, often instant gratification isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. There are some things that are worth waiting for. You’re a smart one, Musky! You’re willing to do the work to get to where you’d like to be. Well, ya get my vote. That was a great report. I’m looking forward to hearing more about your little Scottish Chatterbox. 😃 Bella ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/32 "2009-02-04T22:15:26Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > @Xiphoid, I know I’m special, my mum said so! So what cruel torture are you considering?😛 Oh, the mod’s would censor it…far too rude for the forum, I’ll have to PM you the details 😉 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/33 "2009-02-04T22:22:41Z")
Bella, I’ve been trying to tell people about socials a long, long time. Maybe one day they’ll stop wondering why the socialists (lol) succeed and the androstenoneists are still just getting hits. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/34 "2009-02-04T22:25:28Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Oh, the mod’s would censor it…far too rude for the forum, I’ll have to PM you the details 😉 Well she wasn’t lying guys, this lady has got a filthy mind, I’ll see y’all in a couple of weeks 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/35 "2009-02-04T22:32:40Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > Well she wasn’t lying guys, this lady has got a filthy mind, I’ll see y’all in a couple of weeks 😉 Whatever happend to a gent doesn’t kiss & tell eh? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/36 "2009-02-04T22:42:03Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Whatever happend to a gent doesn’t kiss & tell eh? 😉 Do you honestly think I would spill the real secret? Amazed you described me as a gent though. Besides, you haven’t asked to kiss me yet 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/37 "2009-02-04T22:47:15Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > Do you honestly think I would spill the real secret? Amazed you described me as a gent though. > > Besides, you haven’t asked to kiss me yet 😛 Do you honestly think I’m the kinda girl that would ask first? 😉 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/38 "2009-02-04T23:46:33Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > 1. A woman who can hold an intelligent, interesting conversation with me, and > 2. A woman who doesn’t irritate me, piss me off or frustrate me constantly. Jacs met both criteria, Cat. I felt drained after the convo, but not irritated or pissed off. I put this down to working in a male-dominated field and consequently little recent experience of meeting women in the conversational arena. Keeping track of a multi-threaded conversation was exhausting. Because of that, despite all the reading I’ve done, I was unprepared for the verbal flood and was quickly reduced to uh-huhhing, which leads me to your next quote. > [@catlord17](#): > > But sitting there saying uh-huh for four hours really isn’t being honest with her. It’s a form of butt kissing designed to get you into her pants. lol Of course… given that delicious Scotch lilt… I can say that it’s still acceptable. It is a PUA technique, true. I’ve seen it being done before by another guy at a party years ago who was using it to duck and weave under the verbal assault from his date. I was having trouble keeping track of the convoluted conversation from my own date and eventually crashed and burned. Guess who got laid? He got his comeuppance later. He forgot to filter out vital information, including her birthday. He was unaware of it. Cue for a major strop and tears on her part, cold and callous smirking on his. He got what he was after. I watched and learned from the fallout. I wasn’t using it as a PUA technique, despite me realising its value as one. She’s an attractive woman. There’s going to be an element of sexual attraction, I admit it. But it was a “I’m interested, but I’m outgunned. Need to blunt the storm” strategy first and foremost. I was prepared to take whatever fate threw in my lap and for the first half-hour or so, didn’t really care what the outcome of this chance meeting was. I was there to interview for a job, not pick up. Jacs and I were really connecting after that half-hour and canned pickup games weren’t necessary. Sometimes, that survival strategy is all you can do. I was taught from a very early age that butting in when someone else is talking is incredibly rude. It’s amazing how well that social conditioning holds and how it handicaps you if you meet someone who can verbally outgun you, which is most women, particularly the younger ones. The older ones learn to keep it in check a lot better. More experience with men in conversation, probably. Bella, check your PM, there’s more details. Xiphoid, Diamond, get a room, please. If all of what I’ve heard about Swedish girls is true, you’re one lucky… 😉😃 Musk ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/39 "2009-02-09T11:55:57Z")
Well, I’ve just had a phone call. Turns out I didn’t get the job in Glasgow. ☹ I asked for feedback and what I got was slightly unexpected. My responses to interview questions were uncharacteristically blunt and to the point. Nothing wrong with that, but I came across as slightly too forceful, opinionated and dominant in the conversation. Oops. Managed to intimidate the male doctor who was the top dog on the panel? Oops again. 🙄 It must have been the IHx4. A314 was taking a day off. I’m not as immune as I thought to the self effects. Or it may have been the suit. I was the best dressed out of the lot of them. Never look better than the would-be boss. Never out-alpha him. Rule broken. No regrets. 😃 But it looks as though I won’t see Jacs again. ☹ I’ll create my own ‘kismet’, pay another visit to Glasgow when my life is in order and look for her, but don’t know how long that will be. > [@Bella](#): > > I’ve used close to 400mcg Instant Honesty. 😮 Trust me, I know what it’s like to be sucked down into the vortex. Phya, me and some others discussed it with Rev Evolver when he was having a bit of trouble with Honesty. There’s some interesting insight in that thread. I’ll link it if you like. Just read your post again, Bella. Still makes me laugh. Please can I have that link? Thanks. Musk ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505/40 "2009-02-09T13:39:57Z")
> [@MuskCloud](#): > > Well, I’ve just had a phone call. Turns out I didn’t get the job in Glasgow. ☹ > > I asked for feedback and what I got was slightly unexpected. My responses to interview questions were uncharacteristically blunt and to the point. Nothing wrong with that, but I came across as slightly too forceful, opinionated and dominant in the conversation. > > Oops. Managed to intimidate the male doctor who was the top dog on the panel? Oops again. 🙄 Sorry to hear that you didn’t get the job Musk…it’s their loss though…and all the scottish ladies of course 😉 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-x4-it-holds-you-under-until-you-drown/25505.md?page=3)