# Instant Jerk and copulins question **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969 "2009-07-24T15:39:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/1 "2009-07-24T15:39:48Z")
I “THINK” I’ve seen it said that there is no longer copulins in [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/). IF this is true, does anyone know where the thread is? I’m on the Instant Jerk and AMMO combo for the next couple of days, and I don’t want to use it up all of my IJ … IF … this is true. :o Thanks one! Thanks All! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/2 "2009-07-24T17:04:17Z")
No, it still has copulins in it that I’m aware of, since IJ is old stock from when Androtics still had copulins. Get it while it’s hot (or before it’s out of stock!) > [@M\_M](#): > > I “THINK” I’ve seen it said that there is no longer copulins in Instant Jerk. IF this is true, does anyone know where the thread is? > > I’m on the Instant Jerk and AMMO combo for the next couple of days, and I don’t want to use it up all of my IJ … IF … this is true. :o > > Thanks one! Thanks All! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/3 "2009-07-24T17:34:06Z")
I would say it doesn’t since MHarris clearly pointed this out in that post, which I can’t find it either. I’m not privey to formulas though so I just don’t know. I see that people write about it having it in there all the time and I laugh. Only because its like they are revealing info that is not posted in the official store fact sheet. You cant read a post on the forum by a researcher and claim it to be fact. It is merely opinion and holds no official standing as what might actually be in a product. Personally I have used IJ on several occasions and I always believed it didn’t have copulins in it, but again, this is my PERSONAL opinion. That’s why I add Diane999’s copulin formula to it. Again though I want to make this clear and distinguish this as my PERSONAL opinion and does not have anything to do with my employment with Androtics. I know you are cool and understand this M&M, but wouldn’t want anyone else to misconstrue my words. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/4 "2009-07-24T17:37:04Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > No, it still has copulins in it that I’m aware of, since IJ is old stock from when Androtics still had copulins. Get it while it’s hot (or before it’s out of stock!) Can you please cite your source as to where it says that it does, or for that matter EVER did? I’m curious as to where this info is coming from. If it’s coming from Androtics/SmartMones than I would assume it needs to be corrected right away, especially with MHarris’ commitment for more open and honest communication 😛. As far as reading a post from a member of this forum, they are only guessing.😉 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/5 "2009-07-24T17:38:03Z")
That too! Hell, Steve has a point there, maybe it hasn’t had cops in awhile. So yeah, maybe we’ll never know? Who knows? _Shrugs._ I still love the stuff though! > [@Steve](#): > > I would say it doesn’t since MHarris clearly pointed this out in that post, which I can’t find it either. I’m not privey to formulas though so I just don’t know. > > I see that people write about it having it in there all the time and I laugh. Only because its like they are revealing info that is not posted in the official store fact sheet. You cant read a post on the forum by a researcher and claim it to be fact. It is merely opinion and holds no official standing as what might actually be in a product. Personally I have used IJ on several occasions and I always believed it didn’t have copulins in it, but again, this is my PERSONAL opinion. That’s why I add Diane999’s copulin formula to it. > > Again though I want to make this clear and distinguish this as my PERSONAL opinion and does not have anything to do with my employment with Androtics. I know you are cool and understand this M&M, but wouldn’t want anyone else to misconstrue my words. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/6 "2009-07-24T17:41:26Z")
I don’t remember exactly where, but it was in a post where someone stated IJ is old stock since it was never a popular seller. And therefore may have cops in it still, because of its unpopularity. Hm, need to find that post. > [@Steve](#): > > Can you please cite your source as to where it says that it does, or for that matter EVER did? I’m curious as to where this info is coming from. If it’s coming from Androtics/SmartMones than I would assume it needs to be corrected right away, especially with MHarris’ commitment for more open and honest communication 😛. > > As far as reading a post from a member of this forum, they are only guessing.😉 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/7 "2009-07-24T17:43:39Z")
This old post from 2006 by MHarris says that [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) has a small amount of couplins. But that was a long time ago. > [@What is Instant Jerk made of, and is it pure -none?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk/114/5): > > Hi, Pheropimp. Thanks for your question, and welcome to the forum! [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is a novelty, “fantasy fulfillment” product. It can be fun, but it’s not what I’d personally use for daily wear. slight_smile Jerk is high androstenone with several intensifiers. Total pheromone content is currently 17.5mcg per spray. 12.5mcg of that is androstenone. Instant Jerk also includes a small amount of female copulins (compounds that women excrete during sex), that act to boost your own assertiveness an… ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/8 "2009-07-24T18:00:19Z")
Jasmin says IJ has copulins: > [@Holy Copulating Copulins, Batman!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/holy-copulating-copulins-batman/2246/3): > > If anything, I’d expect you’d feel like a bit of a badass. MX134 brings out the hidden badass in people. If you’re taking a direct sniff from your upper lip to your brain, you’re probably going to strut up and down the sidewalk, maybe even with a boner (cops) Other copulin laced mixes include the Drive Him Crazy series, Lust After Me, [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), and Dirty. I wouldn’t recommend the latter two under your nose, unless of course you are a WWF star and need all the testosterone spike / androsten… > [@looking for "trouble" in a long-term relationship](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/looking-for-trouble-in-a-long-term-relationship/2226/3): > > Whoa, this is so sooo cool. I knew I was in for a treat when I read your thread title. smiley Pity not as many people have responded. I really agree with Carrie’s assessment. You are just about the ONLY PERSON ON EARTH to whom I would recommend a TUTH 7.5 mcg/spray dosage. Give me a call, because I don’t think it is available in the store anymore. Too many guys picked it up because its description said “Crazy people only”… what they \*didn’\*t understand was that we meant you had to be bona-fi… > [@Mx202 on men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx202-on-men/1884/5): > > Hey man, that’s what [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is all about! -none and cops! (other stuff, too, to really deepen the bad boy, “You all want me cuz I’m mean” effect. smiley) > [@Copulins sample](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-sample/409/3): > > Oh, my dearest thr3shold, you know how much we like getting you the right product… stuck_out_tongueslight_smile Unlike some other crotchety sites, your pals here at Androtics couldn’t care less if you had to swap out 3-4 things before you found the one product you truly love! Too, you can always request we add copulins to the products we already have. I know we’ve had requests to add cops to TUTH and even to some of the custom phero blends, so it’s not too wild a request. Stick a note in t… > [@Becoming very frustrated here...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/becoming-very-frustrated-here/212/9): > > Here’s everything we have that contain copulins: [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) Dirty Lust After Me and Instant Sexiness has a smidge. Lust After Me and Instant Sexiness are both women’s products, but I’ve had men wear them around. In fact, LAM is one of my guy friends’ favorite products! He consistently gets flirty hits while wearing it. Fragranced only with the slightest touch of ylang ylang its easily coverable with any other masculine scent you’d want to wear with it, and it complements colognes very nicel… > [@Instant Jerk layered over a full workday combo at dinner: a -none overdose?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk/196/12): > > !!! Jerk also includes copulins. Some other stuff too. I can’t say way too much. Less than 6 pheromones total. Basically, what would a real-life jerk would smell like? -None’s an obvious must. A smidge of copulins gives him another dimension of social proof. There’s stuff in there to speak his mind, 'cause jerks tend to be noisy. OH i could never function in a place where Journey and Queen weren’t 2/3 of the categories. You deprived Londoners, you. smiley ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/9 "2009-07-24T18:01:34Z")
OK, I think this was it. So that’s the reason why I’ve been saying IJ is old stock and is probably the reason why it may still have cops in it. _Shrugs._ > [@Wearing Instant Jerk as a woman to make a guy act like a jerk: why it doesn't work](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wearing-instant-jerk-as-a-woman-to-make-a-guy-act-like-a-jerk-why-it-doesnt-work/29440/8): > > See - Nancy Reagan wasn’t all that wrong … lol. > > Okay Tisha - here is the million dollar question: What cops are they using if they do not have cops for the ladies’ products? > > Never used Instant Jerk (Don’t need the Mrs. thinking I’ve been with someone … lol) but certainly am curious. > [@Wearing Instant Jerk as a woman to make a guy act like a jerk: why it doesn't work](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wearing-instant-jerk-as-a-woman-to-make-a-guy-act-like-a-jerk-why-it-doesnt-work/29440/9): > > IJ is not a big seller like AMMO or TUTH. They make the consumer products in larger batches unlike the advanced products. They haven’t run out of whats made just yet with IJ. They did with the higher selling womens products though. Eventually if the copulins don’t come through they will have to either leave IJ out of stock or just sell it as is in which case it will no longer be IJ IMO. > > Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/10 "2009-07-24T18:23:02Z")
Well I’m only being as transparent as I can and from what I read from MHarris’ post here: [SteveO put the S back into Sexi... - #78 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/78) and here: [SteveO put the S back into Sexi... - #133 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/133) this clearly lays it out that IJ does not have cops in it. As far as being old-stock I guess that’s very possible. I don’t do any formulation and as I have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR (said in my best Tom Cruise “A Few Good Men” impersonation 🙂 ) I do not know the formula’s but reading MHarris post it is evident, to me, that he says there aren’t any in it. I think its great this came up as to alleviate any confusion there might be 🙂. After all if Androtics/SmartMones is striving for transparency and open and honest communication than this needs to be straightened out right away, but I don’t have the answer. But again, strictly from my personal research point of view, as I have repeatedly pointed out just for clarity, I certainly don’t get that vibe from it. I don’t actually recall when I got my bottle of IJ, but I think it was towards the end of last year. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/11 "2009-07-24T18:48:25Z")
I suppose copulins aren’t as important as [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) anyway. Judging by the number of putative and experimental mixes on the site, I’m looking forward to seeing cool products in the future. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/12 "2009-07-24T18:56:28Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I suppose copulins aren’t as important as pheromones anyway. Judging by the number of putative and experimental mixes on the site, I’m looking forward to seeing cool products in the future. You are 100% right 😛 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/13 "2009-07-24T19:42:53Z")
Copulins are no Copulins - 12.5mcg of anone per spray has been enough to prevent me from buying [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/). I simply could not practically wear something with that much anone in it. I’m amazed by those who can. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/14 "2009-07-24T20:12:28Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Copulins are no Copulins - 12.5mcg of anone per spray has been enough to prevent me from buying Instant Jerk. I simply could not practically wear something with that much anone in it. I’m amazed by those who can. Last night I wore a 4:1 cologne/NPA mix before I left my apartment. I also have a mix I made which is 80% TUTH and 20% cologne. I sprayed myself 8 times over the course of the night with that mix. I also had 1 drop of A314. I don’t know how much -None is in NPA has but I was definately over 20 mcg total of -None last night. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/15 "2009-07-24T20:22:02Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Last night I wore a 4:1 cologne/NPA mix before I left my apartment. I also have a mix I made which is 80% TUTH and 20% cologne. I sprayed myself 8 times over the course of the night with that mix. I also had 1 drop of A314. > > I don’t know how much -None is in NPA has but I was definately over 20 mcg total of -None last night. 🙂 And you’re still alive!?!?!? 😮 Did you notice anything OUT of the ORDINARY? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/16 "2009-07-24T20:38:03Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > And you’re still alive!?!?!? 😮 > > Did you notice anything OUT of the ORDINARY? Yeah, overall people treat me like I have higher social status when I wear lot’s of -None. (This could be helped by the fact that I always wear A314 with my -None.) Without pheromones I’m a low status invisible guy that everyone ignores. I’ve worn 2 sprays of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) before too so I’ve experimented with high levels of -None before. I don’t get any anger like others have reported on the forums. I do become more aware of my surroundings which is a nice benefit. I think I can get away with high levels of -None because I’m not that masculine to begin with. Even though I’m a straight guy my natural mannerisms are somewhat feminine to the point where some people think I’m gay. My natural look is approachable and I naturally give off a harmless/safe vibe. I have a theory that my body naturally produces a lot of Beta Androstenol because over the years, there have been several instances where strangers have opened up to me and have told me intimate details and secrets that you would normally not tell a stranger. So I may be buffering the -None naturally with my body’s naturally produced pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/17 "2009-07-24T20:52:09Z")
I would actually like to see a version of IJ without copulins, well if we’re not already using IJ without copulins. A revamp of IJ would be cool, I mean hell they probably already did this to compensate for the fact that Androtics doesn’t have copulins at the moment. So who knows, maybe we are already using a revamp of IJ with no copulins (the new IJ batches,) or maybe it’s just the same IJ formula just minus the cops. Eh, who knows? Only the big boss MHarris knows! ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/18 "2009-07-24T20:59:01Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I suppose copulins aren’t as important as pheromones anyway. Judging by the number of putative and experimental mixes on the site, I’m looking forward to seeing cool products in the future. It’s obvious that I’m in the men’s room. 🙄 The opinion on this weighs heavily the other way in the ladies room across the hall. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/19 "2009-07-24T21:21:15Z")
Totally, copulins for a women is like what -none is to a man. Even though some men can do without it, or don’t like it you got to admit that for us men it’s a very important key [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for attraction in most mixes. Again, attraction can happen without it, but going by majority I’m sure it’s vital for a lot of us men. > [@moonwhisper](#): > > It’s obvious that I’m in the men’s room. 🙄 > > The opinion on this weighs heavily the other way in the ladies room across the hall. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969/20 "2009-07-24T21:39:44Z")
That certainly puts it into perspective. If -none was all of a sudden unobtainable, it would really suck for the men on this board. I had no idea it was that important for the woman’s product line. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk-and-copulins-question/30969.md?page=2)